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[thrane_swe]

Soma Holiday wrote...

I always let Garrus kill him because Sidonis deserves it. I don't care if he regrets what he did and I don't care if he was scared into it. He was a coward who got 10 good people killed. He deserved his death and Garrus gives him a pretty lenient one imo...

My shepard is near full paragon and I still do this every time...

I couldn't agree more! My Shepard is full paragon aswell, still let Garrus kill him.  Though imho Sidonis deserves alot worse <_<

[kraidy1117]

Markinator_123 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

I let him live because killing him is giving him a free pass, where if you let him live he will regret it for the rest of his life and turns himself in. I rather let him live and suffer then give him a quick death.

You are ruthless

I rather let a person suffer if they did what he did then give him a quick way out.

[Raphael diSanto]

Depends on the Shepard. My paragon boyscout shep let him live. My RenShep lets Garrus kill him. It's faster and we can get back to kicking the collectors in the daddy-bags.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

 Live.

As soon as garrus kills one unarmed person for the sake of "revenge" hes going to have no problem doing it again in the future.

[Relshar]

Kill Sidonis. Garrus and his squad mates deserved better. Although I play Paragon I always let Garrus take the shot. He seems to be happier after.

[Fyk0]

ExtremeOne wrote...

he dies and he deserved it.

This. I never let him live even I play paragon, he just deserves it.

[Hulluliini]

I love it how people base their decisions on whether you get more dialogue/end the scene faster/other reason that isn't technically roleplaying

[BurningArmor]

InvaderErl wrote...
If Garrus was ever going to turn into something it would likely be a vigilante resembling the Punisher.

Actually, Garrus was already there and bought the T-shirt.  People knew him as Archangel.

Modifié par BurningArmor, 14 mars 2010 - 04:31 .

[Raphael diSanto]

Hulluliini wrote...

I love it how people base their decisions on whether you get more dialogue/end the scene faster/other reason that isn't technically roleplaying

Well, not always. Getting to the end scene faster -is- roleplaying for my RenShep.

"C'mon, Garrus, just shoot him and be done with it, then let's get back to saving the Galaxy."

[InvaderErl]

BurningArmor wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...
If Garrus was ever going to turn into something it would likely be a vigilante resembling the Punisher.

Actually, Garrus was already there and bought the T-shirt.  People knew him as Archangel.

Shepard really needs to get around to showing Garrus the Dirty Harry movies.

[Pauravi]

Shandepared wrote...

Ooga600 wrote...

makes the whole world blind

That's a cute play on words but it is utterly meaningless in reality.

Quite meaningful, actually.

The point is that revenge is a hollow thing; it accomplishes nothing constructive on it's own.  It's only function is to allow people to give in to their own hatreds instead of learning to cope with hardship and forgive their fellow human beings.

In actuality, revenge is the thing that is meaningless.

[AtreiyaN7]

I helped save Sidonis - he was suffering enough as it is, and Garrus was confusing revenge with justice in my opinion.

[Ray Joel Oh]

Shandepared wrote...

Computron2000 wrote...


Meaningless only if you cannot think of consequences further than revenge.

What consequences? Fill me in, please. I doubt you've thought about this very hard at all.

If someone betrays you and kills your friend or your family you do not become as bad as them or worse than them if you kill them for it. That concept is storybook tripe.

So you respond by killing somebody else's friend or family?  How is this hard to understand?  There are wars that have been going on for centuries that revolve on this concept.

Modifié par Ray Joel Oh, 14 mars 2010 - 09:47 .

[Ray Joel Oh]

Shandepared wrote...

Ray Joel Oh wrote...



So you respond by killing somebody else's friend or family?

No, that is not what I said.

But that's what you'd do.  You'd kill somebody's son or daughter or sister or brother or mother or father or childhood friend or mentor or lover.  Everybody has worth in somebody's eyes.

[Ray Joel Oh]

Shandepared wrote...

Ray Joel Oh wrote...



But that's what you'd do.

No, it's not. If that's what I'd do I would say so.

You're doing worse than putting words in my mouth, you are fabricating arguments, attributing them to me, and then lecturing me about it.

Okay, so you think that Sidonis was somebody with no living attachments, that you would kill him and that would be the end of it; nobody would notice or care.  Nevermind that he at one point had the respect of Garrus, or that he was idealistic enough to go crime fighting, that he had something he felt was worth fighting for and defending.  And you think we're the ones who haven't thought through our revenge fantasies.

[InvaderErl]

See, that's what makes me laugh about this. Shepard convinces Garrus that its not worth killing Sidonis, after they effectively slaughtered dozens upon dozens of people. So Shep killed ALL of those people, just to moralize to Garrus at the last moment.

[Ray Joel Oh]

Shandepared wrote...

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

Okay, so you think that Sidonis was somebody with no living attachments...

I'm sure he did, but so what? I'm certain most every merc you shot dead on Omega had attatchments to. I'm sure most of those mercs were guilty of crimes far less severe than Sidonis'. If you send a murder to jail you are no less depriving his/her loved ones of their companionship.

That Sidonis at one point had respect for Garrus means nothing. He betrayed that respect, he betrayed Garrus' trust, he got ten good people killed. Let it end there and now, let Garrus have his obsession come to a satisfying conclusion for him. Let Sidonis' own conscience be put at ease through equal punishment for his wrong-doing.

Those mercs were armed and ready to kill.  Sidonis was defenseless, laying low, hoping to never capture attention.  Killing him isn't about stopping crime or defending the innocent, it's about revenge--that's the same motivation behind half the criminal activity in the world.  And if revenge is a good enough reason to kill, you might as well put a target on your own back or else you're a hypocrite.  Garrus needs to keep his motivations clear or else he's a thug.  Sidonis isn't worth his corruption.

[tonnactus]

InvaderErl wrote...

See, that's what makes me laugh about this. Shepard convinces Garrus that its not worth killing Sidonis, after they effectively slaughtered dozens upon dozens of people. So Shep killed ALL of those people, just to moralize to Garrus at the last moment.

Its stupid,yes. But blame the game designers and harkin for that.Its the same for a lot of other missions like mirandas.
The game designers just think that for a lot of gamers missions without shooting would be boring and a lot of people agree with that.(a lot wrote here that samaras loyality mission was boring/it was one of the best for me)

Modifié par tonnactus, 14 mars 2010 - 10:49 .

[Ray Joel Oh]

tonnactus wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

See, that's what makes me laugh about this. Shepard convinces Garrus that its not worth killing Sidonis, after they effectively slaughtered dozens upon dozens of people. So Shep killed ALL of those people, just to moralize to Garrus at the last moment.

Its stupid,yes. But blame the game designers and harkin for that.Its the same for a lot of other missions like mirandas.
The game designers just think that for a lot of gamers missions without shooting would be boring and a lot of people agree with that.(a lot wrote here that samaras loyality mission was boring/it was one of the best for me)

Like I said, though.  Killing armed mercenaries is different from killing an unarmed snitch.  You're not killing him for the greater good, you're killing him for satisfaction.