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[AngryFrozenWater]

PMorgan18 wrote...

It would good and look nice but do you want to see that nice 2011 release date turn to a 2013-2014.

Read what Don M wrote about it. You don't need to worry.

[defunkti]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

defunkti wrote...

I really meant it that I couldn't care less about graphics.

I play RogueLike games alot. Angband is my favorite.

I care. I have an ATI 5850 in CF and lots of people like me invest in their gaming PC. To be held back by the least common denominator would be a shame. Of course machines less suited for graphics and SFX are still able to play such games by switching off the power hungry features. That's a very common approach.

Ah, yes. Maybe I came across too bluntly, I do also care. I should have added the word "improvements" to my sentence (like I did the first time I replied to this thread) to focus on my main point that I think Mass Effect 2 is fine as it is now.

Let me rephrase, I couldn't care less about graphical improvements, I think Mass Effect 3 will be fine with 2's graphics.

I even bought a graphics card last year.


But I do think that some people are IMO overly fanatical about graphics, like that tristan guy who attacked me suggesting I should play games without graphics. (I do play though )

Modifié par defunkti, 14 mars 2010 - 02:47 .

[AngryFrozenWater]

defunkti wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

defunkti wrote...

I really meant it that I couldn't care less about graphics.

I play RogueLike games alot. Angband is my favorite.

I care. I have an ATI 5850 in CF and lots of people like me invest in their gaming PC. To be held back by the least common denominator would be a shame. Of course machines less suited for graphics and SFX are still able to play such games by switching off the power hungry features. That's a very common approach.

Ah, yes. Maybe I came across too bluntly, I do also care. I should have added the word "improvements" to my sentence (like I did the first time I replied to this thread) to focus on my main point that I think Mass Effect 2 is fine as it is now.

Let me rephrase, I couldn't care less about graphical improvements, I think Mass Effect 3 will be fine with 2's graphics.

I even bought a graphics card last year.


But I do think that some people are IMO overly fanatical about graphics, like that tristan guy who attacked me suggesting I should play games without graphics. (I do play though )

Hehe. Don't worry. I like discussing stuff like this.

I had discussion with a friend who loved DA:O a while ago and she wanted me to buy a PS3. I am a PC freak and no way someone can convince me to buy a console. I think this is were worlds collide. The RPG fans often seem to be more willing to sacrifice graphics. The shooter fans tend to be less forgiving about graphics and SFX. I am all 3, so it is obvious that I love the eye candy. Otherwise I wouldn't have bought a Crossfire system.

[TristanTheReaper]

NewMessageN00b wrote...
This is a waste.
I'd rather still be able to run it (UE3), since huge, destructible and dynamic environments is entirely out of Mass Effect's focus.

Because ...?

[TristanTheReaper]

defunkti wrote...
But I do think that some people are IMO overly fanatical about graphics, like that tristan guy who attacked me suggesting I should play games without graphics. (I do play though )

Was not meant to be an attack. "Leather Goddesses of Phobos" is awesome. Still. The dialogues are even better than in ME

[charliekrad]

Please no Unreal Engine 3, its a good engine but it has a HUGE i mean HUGE problem with hair
Even Epic acknowledge it, if you look at Gears, nearly every one have a crew cut

Modifié par charliekrad, 14 mars 2010 - 07:12 .

[Misterza]

As a person with an old-as-moses rig, I really, really appreciate Bioware's choice to include us poor players. I mean, my pc is under minimal requirements but it still plays, with smooth combat and all. And my under, I mean not enough RAM, a shoddy GFX card and a 2ghz AMD single-core. I really got to hand it to them for letting me enjoy ME. Don't get me wrong, I'm saving for a new rig, and will definitely enjoy the better graphics, but I think it's a lacking quality when developers just push for "better graphics" constantly.

[Drakron]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...
....To be held back by the least common denominator would be a shame.

Its still going to be a Xbox 360 game.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

There is nothing wrong with ME2's engine. In fact, if ME3 uses the same engine... they can get moar! into the game fastar!



So: MOAR! FASTAR! Sounds good to me.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Drakron wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...
....To be held back by the least common denominator would be a shame.

Its still going to be a Xbox 360 game.

That's true, but CryEngine 3 is cross platform and thus supports consoles. And if you look at the demos for consoles then you'll notice that they are really pushing the limits. That's a good thing. Pushing the limits for PCs doesn't mean that less powerful PC systems need to suffer. These are already used to lower quality. There is a market for mid-range and high-end graphics cards and denying their existence doesn't make sense. In the end it would destroy the industry if no innovations were made because of that denial. Pushing the limits and competition have always been a part of gaming. Without that gaming wouldn't be where it is today.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 14 mars 2010 - 08:21 .

[AngryFrozenWater]

Look at this CryEngine 3 console demo.

Edit: Changed line above. Found a demo with a better quality.

Here are some high resolution screenshots from a German site. Scroll down a bit and click the image below the video and use the arrows above the image to navigate. To skip the ad click the line at the top of the page.

High resolution screenshots CryEngine 3 for PC.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 14 mars 2010 - 09:18 .

[ebola9717]

charliekrad wrote...

Please no Unreal Engine 3, its a good engine but it has a HUGE i mean HUGE problem with hair
Even Epic acknowledge it, if you look at Gears, nearly every one have a crew cut

Yeah, UE3 does produce some pretty ugly hair. Especially after playing FFXII where everyone's hair is incredibly detailed and doesn't just sit there like a plastic helmet. I'm not saying I want characters in ME to have spiky pink hair, but it would be nice if the ladies could have longer hair that isn't attached to their shoulders like Miranda.

[Drakron]

ebola9717 wrote...
Yeah, UE3 does produce some pretty ugly hair.

Lost Odyssey runs on UE3 and so does Batman: Arkham Asylum (even if that one runs on 3.5).

Sorry but hair is mostly unrelated to the engine, its all meshes, textures and shadders.

[Homey C-Dawg]

CryEngine3 (or maybe 4 by then) would make an amazing looking future Mass Effect game (not ME3 of course). CryEngines have always been spectacular to look at and very scalable, but from what I've heard it also takes a small fortune to license it. Unreal engines have been dominant for so long because they are by far the cheapest professional commercial engines in their class, leaving more development money while still getting a nice featured engine (not the best of course, lack of native AA is kinda weak).

[Envor44]

I bought BioWare games for gameplay not for graphic engine...

Modifié par Envor44, 15 mars 2010 - 03:42 .

[xDarkicex]

Drakron wrote...

ebola9717 wrote...
Yeah, UE3 does produce some pretty ugly hair.

Lost Odyssey runs on UE3 and so does Batman: Arkham Asylum (even if that one runs on 3.5).

Sorry but hair is mostly unrelated to the engine, its all meshes, textures and shadders.

sorry but your wrong

[RoninOmega]

cry engine 3 is perfect for running any genre, rpg, shooter, you name it. It would be nice but I am content with mass effect using UE3 atm, future mass effects and bioware games should use cry engine 3 though.



(btw christina stated there will be more mass effect after the trilogy, so don't quote me on that ok)

[Homey C-Dawg]

xDarkicex wrote...

Drakron wrote...

ebola9717 wrote...
Yeah, UE3 does produce some pretty ugly hair.

Lost Odyssey runs on UE3 and so does Batman: Arkham Asylum (even if that one runs on 3.5).

Sorry but hair is mostly unrelated to the engine, its all meshes, textures and shadders.

sorry but your wrong

Thats true, UE3 doesn't do very good hair (Batman:AA is as good as I've seen on it). I've also never been completely happy with the shadows, although Bioshock made good use of them (VERY heavily modified engine on that game tho).

[Scottthesnow]

The awesome thing about console generations is that it does put a limit on how high a PC games minimum requirement can rise. I don't think I will have to upgrade until the new generation comes out, and I assembled my pc a couple of years ago.



Talking about Crysis to console gamers is like talking to a fat kid about donuts. Its just wrong.

[FlyingWalrus]

look at how lame and outdated the unreal engine is.

Modifié par FlyingWalrus, 15 mars 2010 - 05:51 .

[AngryFrozenWater]

Scottthesnow wrote...

The awesome thing about console generations is that it does put a limit on how high a PC games minimum requirement can rise. I don't think I will have to upgrade until the new generation comes out, and I assembled my pc a couple of years ago.

Talking about Crysis to console gamers is like talking to a fat kid about donuts. Its just wrong.

It does not. Currently DX9 is the bottom line. That will not remain the same. DX10, DX10.1 and DX11 have appeared. DX12 is in the works. DX9 will be phased out sooner or later, just like its predecessors.

Crysis 2 will be released on the PC, 360 and PS3. I don't know what fat kids and donuts have to do with that. Maybe talking about Crysis running on a PC that hasn't been upgraded in years could be something different, though.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 15 mars 2010 - 06:04 .

[TheBoss1138]

The graphics are fine as is. I was suprised by the detail n such during my first playthrough. MAYBE they'll polish bits n pieces here and there but nothing major. ME 3 will be just as epic

[DarknessBear]

This conversation is such a waste... there are a lot of engines out there and different developers choose them for different reasons. And once they have picked in an engine they generally don't switch around. But, Don Moar already explained this.



Please no more discussion...

[hangmans tree]

CDP is making (made?) a new engine for The Witcher II's purposes - its supposed to be innovative and dare I say "groundbreaking"?

Will it turn its possible for them to set a new standard with their tech?

...And who knows, maybe next Bioware games will run on this wonder?