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[chiliztri]

Himura! You've caused me to nearly spew orange juice from my nose!

[Statulos]

imported_beer wrote...

Three words.

Simmering Sexual Tension.

I loathed the books and kicked myself for reading the first one. But they speak to a certain age group or mindset that is all about the excitement before consummation. TWO hawt men who are only into you, who will play piano for hours without expecting sex, whose very touch inflames your soul, deep abidig passion with fidelity- etc- things that rarely happen in real life.

It is romantic fantasy with a twist because since he is all undead and stuff, it has the love that lasts beyond death thing going on.

They do happen: it´s called impotence.

[MerinTB]

Paranormal Romance is the largest section of most bookstore's Romance shelves. And most of those books have vampires.



Personally, I blame Anne Rice and Joss Whedon for making this phenomenon and for making it so popular, respectively.



As for why this particular series? I dunno. I enjoy Harry Potter, I do, I think it's very entertaining, but it's derivative and borrows from so much and is often poorly paced - but it caught lightning and bottled it somehow. Same for Twilight.

I think Twilight, like HP, just hit at exactly the right time.

[Seagloom]

@Himura - Hilarious. Actually got a chuckle out of that one. It would have been great. I have nothing to add to this ongoing conversation. I just had to chime in on that.

[Mr.Skar]

I have no interest in them, so I couldn't really tell you. I tried to have my sister explain it to me, and I still didn't get it. Something about a guy who wants you with this crazy intensity but still is willing to sit and be sensitive. There's more to it, but most of what she listed was typical fantasy elements that you could find in any, well, fantasy novel. But the romance angle plays such a pivotal role, that those who dig it won't like other fantasy novels unless they have a similar "twist".

[Statulos]

MerinTB wrote...

Paranormal Romance is the largest section of most bookstore's Romance shelves. And most of those books have vampires.

Personally, I blame Anne Rice and Joss Whedon for making this phenomenon and for making it so popular, respectively.

As for why this particular series? I dunno. I enjoy Harry Potter, I do, I think it's very entertaining, but it's derivative and borrows from so much and is often poorly paced - but it caught lightning and bottled it somehow. Same for Twilight.
I think Twilight, like HP, just hit at exactly the right time.

They just put what Bram Stocker started on a more evident, blunt and upgraded to the modern times level. Nothing new under the sun...

[Caozen]

With the exhorbitantly large amount of subpar romance novels around, its only natural the genre fan-base would converge on one singular, popular series. It might not be good in comparison to other pieces of literature, but its what they like - with the addition of being well known to the general populace. This in turn adds spark for conversation. No girl could possibly let that pass them by.



At least, that's what I've been able to come up with over an extended period of time asking women and school-girls how they can bare reading such a perfectly formed POS.

[Godak]

It just sucks because...I feel like I could have gotten rich by writing a story that goes like:



"I love you. Let's have sex and make me a vampire."



"No! This is a curse! I sparkle!"



"Oh no! A vampire is angry, and he wants to kill me! I'm useless, and ever so slightly retarded! Save me, Edward!"



"Bella, you are safe, because I am a man who is beautiful. I must leave now."



"I'm a werewolf. I love you, Bella."



"Oh no! Edward wants to kill himself. I must save him!"



"...But I'm a werewolf!"



"Thank you Bella."



"Oh no! An organization of vampires wants to kill me, and a crazy vampire chick is turning people into vampires!"



"Don't worry, I'll save you."



"I am still a werewolf. I still love you, Bella- What the hell? Screw that! I love your newborn baby who grows inexplicably fast!"



The End.

[Adynata]

I recently sat through the movie when it came on Showtime and I think it is a really hollow story with stock character types. I can see where the simmering sexual tension may exist, but with such unappealing actors playing the characters (imo at least) I am not particularly interested in their plight. I've heard the book is equally poorly written. It seems to be like a typical romance genre, which I've never been a fan of. I'd rather see simmering sexual tension in a book or movie with a more in-depth plotline that is not based on or necessarily relevant to the love story (I guess like ME). Maybe Anne Rice is to blame, but I never got into her books either.

If I had to pick a romance-type novel worth reading it would be Les Liaisons Dangereuses, or the movie based on it if you don't feel like trudging through Laclos' prose.

[addiction21]

MrHimuraChan wrote...

That is what you call a happy ending

[Caozen]

Godak wrote...

The End.

And it is because of this that vampires and werewolves will forever be tied to attention-hungry females, binding them in parodic shackles for all eternity. Seriously, with the rise in popularity over these creatures of myth, they just aren't as scary, intriguing or as potentially badass as they were or could have been. And they never will from this point on.

[Caozen]

MrHimuraChan wrote...

(Posted Image)

His facial expression would probably be something not unlike what you see before you, heh.

[Busomjack]

It's softcore porn for high school girls.
It's basically to teenage girls what Britney Spears music videos were to us guys in our early to late 20's back when we were in high school.

Modifié par Busomjack, 14 mars 2010 - 04:05 .

[darkshadow136]

MrHimuraChan wrote...

So true this is the way all Vampire shows geared to teenage boys and girls should end lol. While your at it can you make one that leads to the dimise  of True Blood as well Himura.

[MerinTB]

Difference being Dracula was NOT a romance - well, maybe the Coppola film, but not Stoker's story. Dracula was a beast who fed on the living - he didn't seduce them out of emotions or love. There was no "connection" to Mina - he was turning Mina the way he did to get back at the men who were plotting against him.

If there was "romance" in Dracula, it was between humans - Lucy and Arthur, Jonathan and Mina. Dracula was not written as an emotional or sympathetic creature.



Bram Stoker's novel != Coppola's film.



Stoker's novel was not paranormal romance. It was gothic horror.



Anne Rice was the first major author to instill a sense of hyper-emotion and sexuality to vampires. She's not the first paranormal romance writer, nor the first to write vampires as at least somewhat sympathetic (you can go back to prior to Stoker for such stories even) but paranormal romance, and particularly vampire romance, is a decidedly modern phenomenon. Maybe the 1960's or 70's you have books that qualify, but it isn't really until the 1990's (late 90's in fact) that this sub-genre explodes.

It didn't have a category or shelf in bookstores or libraries before the 90's, for example.



I have some knowledge of this, so while I'm not claiming that I am by fiat "correct", I want to be clear that I'm not just spouting opinions I pull out of my backside either.

[addiction21]

MerinTB wrote...

Difference being Dracula was NOT a romance - well, maybe the Coppola film, but not Stoker's story. Dracula was a beast who fed on the living - he didn't seduce them out of emotions or love. There was no "connection" to Mina - he was turning Mina the way he did to get back at the men who were plotting against him.
If there was "romance" in Dracula, it was between humans - Lucy and Arthur, Jonathan and Mina. Dracula was not written as an emotional or sympathetic creature.

Bram Stoker's novel != Coppola's film.

Stoker's novel was not paranormal romance. It was gothic horror.

Anne Rice was the first major author to instill a sense of hyper-emotion and sexuality to vampires. She's not the first paranormal romance writer, nor the first to write vampires as at least somewhat sympathetic (you can go back to prior to Stoker for such stories even) but paranormal romance, and particularly vampire romance, is a decidedly modern phenomenon. Maybe the 1960's or 70's you have books that qualify, but it isn't really until the 1990's (late 90's in fact) that this sub-genre explodes.
It didn't have a category or shelf in bookstores or libraries before the 90's, for example.

I have some knowledge of this, so while I'm not claiming that I am by fiat "correct", I want to be clear that I'm not just spouting opinions I pull out of my backside either.

whoa whoa whoa.... hold on there buddy.... you actually expect people to read? Shame on you.

[addiction21]

DrathanGervaise wrote...

MerinTB wrote...

Difference being Dracula was NOT a romance - well, maybe the Coppola film, but not Stoker's story. Dracula was a beast who fed on the living - he didn't seduce them out of emotions or love. There was no "connection" to Mina - he was turning Mina the way he did to get back at the men who were plotting against him.
If there was "romance" in Dracula, it was between humans - Lucy and Arthur, Jonathan and Mina. Dracula was not written as an emotional or sympathetic creature.

Bram Stoker's novel != Coppola's film.

Stoker's novel was not paranormal romance. It was gothic horror.

Anne Rice was the first major author to instill a sense of hyper-emotion and sexuality to vampires. She's not the first paranormal romance writer, nor the first to write vampires as at least somewhat sympathetic (you can go back to prior to Stoker for such stories even) but paranormal romance, and particularly vampire romance, is a decidedly modern phenomenon. Maybe the 1960's or 70's you have books that qualify, but it isn't really until the 1990's (late 90's in fact) that this sub-genre explodes.
It didn't have a category or shelf in bookstores or libraries before the 90's, for example.

I have some knowledge of this, so while I'm not claiming that I am by fiat "correct", I want to be clear that I'm not just spouting opinions I pull out of my backside either.

Cats are funny... but mering does tend to make points... even if he is very long winded once he gets going.

[MerinTB]

addiction21 wrote...

DrathanGervaise wrote...

MerinTB wrote...

Difference being Dracula was NOT a romance - well, maybe the Coppola film, but not Stoker's story. Dracula was a beast who fed on the living - he didn't seduce them out of emotions or love. There was no "connection" to Mina - he was turning Mina the way he did to get back at the men who were plotting against him.
If there was "romance" in Dracula, it was between humans - Lucy and Arthur, Jonathan and Mina. Dracula was not written as an emotional or sympathetic creature.

Bram Stoker's novel != Coppola's film.

Stoker's novel was not paranormal romance. It was gothic horror.

Anne Rice was the first major author to instill a sense of hyper-emotion and sexuality to vampires. She's not the first paranormal romance writer, nor the first to write vampires as at least somewhat sympathetic (you can go back to prior to Stoker for such stories even) but paranormal romance, and particularly vampire romance, is a decidedly modern phenomenon. Maybe the 1960's or 70's you have books that qualify, but it isn't really until the 1990's (late 90's in fact) that this sub-genre explodes.
It didn't have a category or shelf in bookstores or libraries before the 90's, for example.

I have some knowledge of this, so while I'm not claiming that I am by fiat "correct", I want to be clear that I'm not just spouting opinions I pull out of my backside either.

Cats are funny... but mering does tend to make points... even if he is very long winded once he gets going.

Wow, a little over two paragraphs are too much for you to read?  My apologies, I promise to write from now on using only illiterate texting non-words.  No, wait, forget that, just skip me if you need everything in Twitter-sized packets. <_<

[SithLordExarKun]

Because twilight was marketed towards teenage girls that never lost their virginity.

[ace1221]

because twighlight is physically akin to a virus. do you know how many spelling and grammatical mistakes there are throughout the books? how poorly it is written. it is in this case that my beloved capitalist systems fails for rewarding someone who is inherently stupid

[Torhagen]

MrHimuraChan wrote...