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Why is Twilight so appealing?
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Posté 14 mars 2010 - 06:32
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Well, I suppose this appeal to teenage girls about romance and paranormal creatures does make sense.
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Posté 14 mars 2010 - 06:34
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I would just like to point something out...I live in Arizona, the home of the author. Twilight fever is way beyond epidemic, here.
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Posté 14 mars 2010 - 06:36
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Godak wrote...
I would just like to point something out...I live in Arizona, the home of the author. Twilight fever is way beyond epidemic, here.
Does it ever frustrate you?
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Posté 14 mars 2010 - 06:40
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Capt. Obvious wrote...
Godak wrote...
I would just like to point something out...I live in Arizona, the home of the author. Twilight fever is way beyond epidemic, here.
Does it ever frustrate you?
No, I won't tell you about the WV RP that Moon and I are doing.
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Posté 14 mars 2010 - 06:45
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Because Twilight is Stephenie Meyer's bedroom fantasy with the vampire gimmick slapped onto it, and Bella is so much of a stock character that much of the audience can relate to her.
Even though I love the Vampire Chronicles, I still blame Anne RIce for starting the trend. Though things weren't really that bad until Twilight came about. Now everyone asks me whether I like Twilight, which I abhor.
Even though I love the Vampire Chronicles, I still blame Anne RIce for starting the trend. Though things weren't really that bad until Twilight came about. Now everyone asks me whether I like Twilight, which I abhor.
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Posté 14 mars 2010 - 06:47
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Lilitv wrote...
Now everyone asks me whether I like Twilight, which I abhor.
I find it best to be ambiguous.
"You like Twilight?"
"I've read it."
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Posté 14 mars 2010 - 07:03
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Lilitv wrote...
Even though I love the Vampire Chronicles, I still blame Anne RIce for starting the trend. Though things weren't really that bad until Twilight came about. Now everyone asks me whether I like Twilight, which I abhor.
That's why I give the stock answer about Anne Rice and Joss Whedon. Between them Mercedes Lackey has a series of Diane Tregarde novels with a "good" vampire boyfriend, but it didn't have the cultural impact of Lestat or Buffy.
The Paranormal Romance thing had hit high gear before Twilight - Twilight's just the culmination of where things were heading.
You have Charlotte Harris and L.A. Banks and Laurell K. Hamilton and more doing pretty much the same thing contemporary with Rice and Whedon - and Anita Blake has gained in popularity, and we have True Blood on HBO - but seriously, it all boils down to Lestat and Buffy (Angel) -
and now Bella and Edward. *sigh*
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Posté 14 mars 2010 - 09:08
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You can inject yourself into the heroine very easily, I think that's the big point. Other than that, I_B said what I was going to.
But, yeah. I really hate Twilight. It was written so badly and everything about it screams horrible vampire fanfiction. It is also shallow and has an elitist outlook (i.e the heroine, bella, chooses the cool, elite group over people who actually care for her like her PARENTS.)
I also have a loathing for authors who manipulate vampire lore to their own ideals.
I admit, I do read romance novels, but not this standard. The ones I read have a plot, have characters and are well-written. I also stay away from supernatural romance novels, tbh. I read the first Laurell K. Hamilton book and it was great, the next 12 or so are just a whole bunch of sex scenes. Iunno, never got into Anita Blake just... having sex with anything that moves practically. I liked Jean whatshisface! Why didn't they get together?
Look, it's alright for people to like Twilight, but if they run around trying to avidly defend it as an actual piece of proper, well-written literature, then it is really not alright in my books (lol.) I can honestly recommend much better trashy werewolf and vampire novels that are actually written quite well. I would never, ever recommend Twilight to anyone.
About Anne Rice: She did start the more... romanticised/sexualised vampiric ideal, but she didn't twist their lore around to fit her needs as much. Vampires are not something you want to be. Anne Rice portrays the struggle against immortality quite well, and I do admire her for that. Well, up until she... got a little odd.
And yes, I really, really don't like Twilight.
But, yeah. I really hate Twilight. It was written so badly and everything about it screams horrible vampire fanfiction. It is also shallow and has an elitist outlook (i.e the heroine, bella, chooses the cool, elite group over people who actually care for her like her PARENTS.)
I also have a loathing for authors who manipulate vampire lore to their own ideals.
I admit, I do read romance novels, but not this standard. The ones I read have a plot, have characters and are well-written. I also stay away from supernatural romance novels, tbh. I read the first Laurell K. Hamilton book and it was great, the next 12 or so are just a whole bunch of sex scenes. Iunno, never got into Anita Blake just... having sex with anything that moves practically. I liked Jean whatshisface! Why didn't they get together?
Look, it's alright for people to like Twilight, but if they run around trying to avidly defend it as an actual piece of proper, well-written literature, then it is really not alright in my books (lol.) I can honestly recommend much better trashy werewolf and vampire novels that are actually written quite well. I would never, ever recommend Twilight to anyone.
About Anne Rice: She did start the more... romanticised/sexualised vampiric ideal, but she didn't twist their lore around to fit her needs as much. Vampires are not something you want to be. Anne Rice portrays the struggle against immortality quite well, and I do admire her for that. Well, up until she... got a little odd.
And yes, I really, really don't like Twilight.
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Posté 14 mars 2010 - 09:13
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Twilight isn't that bad. At least it's encouraging young people to actually read rather than spending all day on myspace/facebook.
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Posté 14 mars 2010 - 09:16
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Busomjack wrote...
Twilight isn't that bad. At least it's encouraging young people to actually read rather than spending all day on myspace/facebook.
Yes, it is that bad from a literary point of view, but I do agree that it does encourage young peoples to read. I very much agree with this.
I just wish they chose a better piece of paper to go insane over, tbh.
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Posté 14 mars 2010 - 09:21
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Lucy_Glitter wrote...
Busomjack wrote...
Twilight isn't that bad. At least it's encouraging young people to actually read rather than spending all day on myspace/facebook.
Yes, it is that bad from a literary point of view, but I do agree that it does encourage young peoples to read. I very much agree with this.
I just wish they chose a better piece of paper to go insane over, tbh.
See, the problem is...It's meant for a younger audience, not college girls. I'm not saying that books written for a younger audience must be so deprived of literary nom noms (Harry Potter is a great example of a quality series aimed at a younger crowd) but I do think the fact that ladies who are out of Jr. High read them is...a little disconcerting to the normal observer.
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Posté 14 mars 2010 - 09:27
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Twilight is not a safe subject on my college campus.
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Posté 14 mars 2010 - 09:35
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Twilight is not a safe subject on my college campus.
I wasn't aware that it was a subject on any college campus. Weird.
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Posté 14 mars 2010 - 10:40
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Social subject, not a class subject.Godak wrote...
Chained_Creator wrote...
Twilight is not a safe subject on my college campus.
I wasn't aware that it was a subject on any college campus. Weird.
That'd be more of a waste of money than any GS class I can think of. Even WR.
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Posté 14 mars 2010 - 10:45
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Sometimes when something becomes excessively popular, it's support becomes a positive feedback loop. I know a few people who read Twilight merely for the sake of having common conversation material.
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Posté 14 mars 2010 - 10:46
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Busomjack wrote...
Twilight isn't that bad. At least it's encouraging young people to actually read rather than spending all day on myspace/facebook.
There's plenty out there to encourage young people to read, from comics to manga to Harry Potter to Dark Materials to Junie B Jones ...
Twilight isn't encouraging people to read - those who really don't like reading don't read it. It is encouraging young girls (and adult women) to continue to believe that the bad boy actually really cares for them and you should side with the guy who's bad for you over family and friends.
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Posté 14 mars 2010 - 11:31
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MerinTB wrote...
Busomjack wrote...
Twilight isn't that bad. At least it's encouraging young people to actually read rather than spending all day on myspace/facebook.
There's plenty out there to encourage young people to read, from comics to manga to Harry Potter to Dark Materials to Junie B Jones ...
Twilight isn't encouraging people to read - those who really don't like reading don't read it. It is encouraging young girls (and adult women) to continue to believe that the bad boy actually really cares for them and you should side with the guy who's bad for you over family and friends.
I'm actually torn on this issue. No, really, I am. As a lit major and a decent human being (corny lol), I enjoy the fact that Twilight is getting people to read. I go to Comic Book Conventions, and my favorite thing there is just to look around and see people reading.
But Twilight not only teaches very young kids that abusive relationships, settling for life as a submissive housewife, and being a ****tease are perfectly okay, but it also heavily pushed Mormon ideaology in a way that Narnia and Dark Materials mearly imply their roots.
I could care less about the "vampires don't sparkle" BS.
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Posté 14 mars 2010 - 11:35
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Chained_Creator wrote...
Godak wrote...
Chained_Creator wrote...
Twilight is not a safe subject on my college campus.
I wasn't aware that it was a subject on any college campus. Weird.
Social subject, not a class subject.
You just disappointed millions of Twi-hards. Shame on you.
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Posté 14 mars 2010 - 11:57
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Godak wrote...
You just disappointed millions of Twi-tards. Shame on you.
Fix'd that for you
I'm in agreement that the Twilight books aren't a shining example of literary prowess, the fact is that they read more like a fanfic then anything.
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Posté 15 mars 2010 - 12:00
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MerinTB wrote...
Busomjack wrote...
Twilight isn't that bad. At least it's encouraging young people to actually read rather than spending all day on myspace/facebook.
There's plenty out there to encourage young people to read, from comics to manga to Harry Potter to Dark Materials to Junie B Jones ...
Twilight isn't encouraging people to read - those who really don't like reading don't read it. It is encouraging young girls (and adult women) to continue to believe that the bad boy actually really cares for them and you should side with the guy who's bad for you over family and friends.
I have actually started reading Twilight and I think I noticed something very wrong with the protagonist(Bella) herself: she's a Mary Sue. I think it's how the main character is written in the end. She claims that she is just your average teenager, second rate, and not a single person is interested in her, but I noticed right off the bat that all the males suddenly want her. It's hard to read a book where the author does not apply the "Show, don't tell" principle. For a second, this book got me thinking that the series is a tragedy and that Bella just has a hard time seeing that people care about her, but no. And what's with all the glaring? When Bella gets an answer she doesn't like, she just glares. From what I see so far, Bella doesn't look like such a nice person. I mean, Bella so far is timid, lazy, and dependent on other people. I get the impression that she's just spoiled. I'm sorry, but this story is kind of sad. And I'm not talking about the romance part, I'm talking about the character herself. She starts to love a guy she barely knows and then doesn't move on with her life when the person leaves her. Edward just does EVERYTHING for her. I don't like her anti-feminist demeanor.
I'd probably feel bad for Edward if he wasn't such a Gary Sue. I mean, how perfect can you make this guy? We each struggle with our good and bad side: that's what makes us human. So why is Edward so perfect in morality? My God, he's not human. It's the character's personality that makes us like him. The personality is the character. The character's personality must have traits both good and bad to create conflict. Conflict can determine how good the story is. I don't understand how any women could love Meyer's cardboard cutout. You'd think that Edward, being born in 1901(which makes him over 100 years old) would have more sense to find other women like him who have more experience, wisdom, and independence than Bella. How about finding people who are actually worth a damn, Edward? No, Bella certainly isn't one of those people.
There love isn't even love. Bella smelling good and Edward looking pretty is not love. Like I said, this story isn't a romance; it's a tragedy. It's Romeo and Juliet with a happily-ever-after ending. And if that really is the case, this is probably the worse version I've seen so far. Romeo's love for Juliet was the problem. The story portrays him as a melodramatic, obsessed and depressing individual who right off the bat loves Juliet. But see, in that story, it actually delt with how utterly selfish their relationship was. You can see that there was a theme going on in the story that actually showed desire for what it was. Yet it went even deeper. In Twilight, I don't see any depth. I don't see depth in the choices the characters make, their personality, the plot, etc. I find that very sad.
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Posté 15 mars 2010 - 12:06
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chiliztri wrote...
Godak wrote...
You just disappointed millions of Twi-tards. Shame on you.
Fix'd that for you
I'm in agreement that the Twilight books aren't a shining example of literary prowess, the fact is that they read more like a fanfic then anything.
Again, nothing wrong with reading them as long as you understand that they aren't exactly the Citizen Kane of the literary world.
...Yes, there's a little bit of self-justification in there.
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Posté 15 mars 2010 - 12:25
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I am frightened. Remember Me is going to do for Twihards what The Matrix did for idiots. They're going to start thinking they are all intelligent and stuff now that they've seen a movie about 9/11!
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Posté 15 mars 2010 - 12:52
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Didn't read any of the thread, just letting you know you made a typo in the title, it's supposed to say "appalling"
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Posté 15 mars 2010 - 01:00
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Three words.
Simmering Sexual Tension.
I loathed the books and kicked myself for reading the first one. But they speak to a certain age group or mindset that is all about the excitement before consummation. TWO hawt men who are only into you, who will play piano for hours without expecting sex, whose very touch inflames your soul, deep abidig passion with fidelity- etc- things that rarely happen in real life.
It is romantic fantasy with a twist because since he is all undead and stuff, it has the love that lasts beyond death thing going on.
It's this. From what I gather a lot of the appeal is the ~*~ chaste longing ~*~ between Edward and Bella. It's apparently strong enough to cause people to overlook the creepy parts and the body horror that goes on in book 4.
