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[OneBadAssMother]

This is always in my head when I think of the Widow... for each class... which is a better sniper?

SOLDIER
Advantages:
- +140% damage increase with Heightened Adrenaline Rush compared to +75% with Assassin Cloak
- A-Rush bullet time lasts 5 seconds, you will never miss a headshot.
- A-Rush can work with all weapons, not just sniper rifles. Also helps with storming.
Disadvantages:
- 3 second cooldown between headshots using A-Rush for maximum damage per shot.
- Bullet time restricted to just A-rush compared to infiltrator.

INFILTRATOR
Advantages:
- Bullet time triggers every-time you zoom in (possible to make consistent headshots one after another)
- Assassination Cloak lets you fire while not being shot at.
- Cloaking also helps you when you are being flanked out of your sniper position.
Disadvantages:
- Less possible damage per Widow shot compared to soldier
- Maximising damage using Ass. Cloak has a 6 second cooldown.

Seriously... I can't decide which class handles the widow better...

[FoFoZem]

OneBadAssMother wrote...

- +140% damage increase with Heightened Adrenaline Rush compared to +75% with Assassin Cloak

Well the 140% damage increase is to offset the 70% dilation in time.

Athenau wrote...

Heightened Adrenaline Rush:
70% time dilation. 
Duration:  1.5 game seconds
Cooldown:  3 game seconds
Damage Boost:  +140%
Average Damage Advantage:  +46.67%
Speed Boost:  +233%
Average Speed Advantage: +77.67%

[cruc1al]

FoFoZem wrote...

OneBadAssMother wrote...

- +140% damage increase with Heightened Adrenaline Rush compared to +75% with Assassin Cloak

Well the 140% damage increase is to offset the 70% dilation in time.

Athenau wrote...

Heightened Adrenaline Rush:
70% time dilation. 
Duration:  1.5 game seconds
Cooldown:  3 game seconds
Damage Boost:  +140%
Average Damage Advantage:  +46.67%
Speed Boost:  +233%
Average Speed Advantage: +77.67%

What do you mean? Doesn't +140% damage mean that one widow shot will do +140% damage (multiplied/added to other bonuses)?

[GiroX-]

I want to say the Infiltrator as the best sniper (as it should be), but I the stats say the Soldier is better.

[ScroguBlitzen]

The Soldier has a higher time dilation than the Infiltrator AND can do more damage with a single Adrenaline Rushed Mantis shot than the Infiltrator can do with a Cloaked Widow shot, so I'd say that the Soldier is a better Sniper.

[WillieStyle]

The Soldier does more damage per shot if you use Adrenaline Rush but that isn't the whole story. If you have the Widow (which you should because its awesome) most enemies can be 1 shot without Adrenaline Rush or Tactical Cloak.

In most fights, the fact that the Infiltrator triggers her time dilation every time she scopes, coupled with the fact that Adrenaline Rush also slows down the reload animation, means that the Infiltrator will actually finish fights faster if both are using the Widow exclusively.

[FoFoZem]

Hah. I am such an idiot. FOr some reason I was thinking about Assault Rifles. Yes. One-shot weapons will do that much more damage.

Soldier wins.

[superimposed]

Soldier.

Simply because you look much cooler with your back covered in weapons.

[FoFoZem]

WillieStyle wrote...

The Soldier does more damage per shot if you use Adrenaline Rush but that isn't the whole story. If you have the Widow (which you should because its awesome) most enemies can be 1 shot without Adrenaline Rush or Tactical Cloak.
In most fights, the fact that the Infiltrator triggers her time dilation every time she scopes, coupled with the fact that Adrenaline Rush also slows down the reload animation, means that the Infiltrator will actually finish fights faster if both are using the Widow exclusively.

Not necessarily. I see where you're coming from but there are a few other things to consider.

For one, either way, if you use AR or Cloak, it doesn't matter, you will only get one shot off with the widow. The Cloak effect ends as soon as Shepard initiates a combat action against an enemy. Melee included. (Unless the melee does not connect)

Second, the time-dilation from zooming-in does not equate to a damage bonus. It may allow some players to aim better, but for those who can already aim easily, then this is of no real advantage.

In fact, the time dilation can hurt you when you cast incinerate, and your sniper zooms, and you are out of cover for an enemy with an insta-hit power, or a sniper rifle, to hit you before you reenter cover.

Third, AR has roughly a shorter default cooldown than Cloak.  In a one minute time-span, with no upgrades whatsoever, the Soldier knows for a fact that he can activate Heightened AR 7 times in one minute. (5 second duration + 3 second cooldown).

The Infiltrator, on the other hand, can activate Assassin Cloak only 5 times in one minute. (6 second duration + 6 second cooldown)

That's, essentially, the Soldier getting two more confirmed regular kills per minute than the Infiltrator.

However, this can be alleviated somewhat by the fact that Cloak ends with a shot, but you still most likely fire off AR more than cloak.

Modifié par FoFoZem, 14 mars 2010 - 04:28 .

[SpockLives]

Either way, the Widow will kill normal enemies with one head shot without AR or Cloak. The Widow will take two hits to kill "elites" like Collector Assassins, even with Cloak. Can someone more familiar with soldier confirm whether the Widow plus Heightened AR can one shot Collector Assassins?

In a case like this, doing math is a waste of time. Play the game and determine how many actual shots it takes to kill things. Doing X amount of extra damage only matters if that is the difference between a one shot or two shot kill.

[FoFoZem]

But it's more fun when math is involved

[sandman7431]

In terms of just doing damage, the soldier is superior but the infiltrator's skills are tailor made for sniping.  The infiltrator's cloak not only allows them to set up head shots while not being fired at, it also allows them to escape from situations where they're being flanked.  The automatic time dilation is also helpful and with the widow, most of the soldier's 140% bonus will be unnecessary.

The soldier can also do more damage with a shotgun than a vanguard but that doesn't mean he's better with that weapon.  The vanguard has a skillset tailored to that weapon.

The infiltrator is all about sniping and then displacing and sniping again.  The soldier snipes and then switches weapons to clean up.  Both are excellent snipers but the soldier is probably the more powerful fighter overall.  When you have the vindicator as your backup weapon, you're in pretty good shape.

[Serillen]

Having played both I'm going to have to say the Infiltrator is a much better sniper than the Soldier is. Yeah the Soldier theoretically has a higher damage bonus per shot, but that will only come into play on boss mobs. The Infiltrator pulls ahead through killspeed on regular mobs. If you're using the Widow you don't have to wait 3 seconds between shots while you wait for AR to refresh, you just pop out and bam get another kill. No Cloak needed, just aiming a headshot is all thats required.

To be honest, I found myself rarely using cloak as a damage booster. It was more of a disengage/reposition button, or to have a little fun by running up and bashing stuff to death.

[jakenou]

Stats schmats - Sure, the Soldier is good with a sniper rifle because a Soldier is an all around weapon specialist. But the Infiltrator was born with a sniper rifle, and what the Infiltrator may lack in damage percentages, of which the difference with Soldier is practically negligible, is made up for with tactical style and other assets that compliment the use of the sniper rifle. They are simply different styles of play.

[OniGanon]

You know, it is possible to get headshots without AR and you guys are saying yourselves that AR + Widow is unnecessary except on bosses. If your aim is very good, a Soldier will kill faster because they don't have the time dilation slowing them down.

[Atmosfear3]

I can't fathom why any soldier would even pick the widow over the beast that is the Revenant, which is exclusive only to soldiers and arguably the best and most versatile weapon in-game.

[jakenou]

Truthfully, aside from the heavy weapons and perhaps the scoping of the sniper, I don't feel the differences between weapons like I did in ME1, and the fact that you run out of ammo/heat clips and have to switch to whatever other weapon doesn't really help that.

[Serillen]

OniGanon wrote...

You know, it is possible to get headshots without AR and you guys are saying yourselves that AR + Widow is unnecessary except on bosses. If your aim is very good, a Soldier will kill faster because they don't have the time dilation slowing them down.

Yeah its possible, but its a lot harder to do so when enemies are moving laterally. In that situation you have two choices. Take the shot and potentially miss, wasting valuable Widow ammunition, or hunker down and wait for a good clean shot.

AR and the infiltrator dilation make it so you always have a good clean shot even if the target is moving. Also don't forget the longer you spend out of cover lining up a shot the more damage you will take, the dilation effects basically allow you to stay out of cover with relative safety while you line your shot up.

While the Soldier may look good on paper as a sniper it really shines as a multi weapon platform, the Infiltrator on the other hand was designed as a sniper from the get go and it shows because it plays a lot smoother in that role than the Soldier does. I'm not saying a Soldier sucks as a sniper, but it is lacking when compared to an Infiltrator for that role.

Modifié par Serillen, 14 mars 2010 - 07:29 .

[ji4rock]

Personally I prefer the soldier - I do most of the line/shot prep before engaging rush - you know roughly where the soon to be exploding head will be. Head pops up, hit rush, kill foe, move on.With heightened rush the only time you take serious damage is if you are foolish enough to pop up while a YMIR is firing his mini gun.



I find with the infiltrator, that as soon as I hit cloak everyone just bunkers down and waits for you to reappear, nullifying any cloak damage bonus.

[NaclynE]

Infiltrator obviously.

However if your shooting for survivability I say Soldier because a soldier has better sheild/armor bonuses.

I personally prefer Infiltrator becuase I like snipeing and dropping boss targets from miles away and send everyone else to play clean up. As far as the shield goes, I use it to relocate or to get a nice shot on a guy/group if they retreat or are in my face. My downfall is if I am unprotected or have a hoard of husks on me then I am screwed.

Modifié par NaclynE, 14 mars 2010 - 08:30 .

[themaxzero]

Why is it people talk like you start with the Widow? You get it like 2/3-3/4 through the game (depending on how many side missions you do).

[Besetment]

If you play NG+ you can get the widow as early as the first weapons locker (Normandy SR-2 reveal).

[themaxzero]

Besetment wrote...

If you play NG+ you can get the widow as early as the first weapons locker (Normandy SR-2 reveal).

Awesome, nothing like giving advice for 1% of the player population (if that).

Modifié par themaxzero, 14 mars 2010 - 08:55 .

[NaclynE]

themaxzero wrote...


Why is it people talk like you start with the Widow? You get it like 2/3-3/4 through the game (depending on how many side missions you do).

Uhmm....I didn't say that. he stuff you get at the start doesn't suck. useing the cloak right and snipeing right is what a infiltrator is all about. I have playing alot of games with snipeing in it and have been good in them. Infiltrator is more my bag because I rather make stealth kills as opposed to running in and blasting things to shmids. I do like soldier but I found it to be a hard class.

It's about personal oppinions.