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[themaxzero]

NaclynE wrote...

It's about personal oppinions.

NaclynE wrote...

Infiltrator obviously.

Then quit stating opinions as fact. Half the clowns on this board do it and when you call them out they fall back to the 'its only my opinion'. Such a cop out.

If you are counting from the Mantis then you need to count the Viper which is fully useable by the Soldier.

[rumination888]

Why is it people talk like you start with the VIper? You don't even get it until halfway through the game. :innocent:

Modifié par rumination888, 14 mars 2010 - 09:52 .

[ji4rock]

rumination888 wrote...

Why is it people talk like you start with the VIper? You don't even get it until halfway through the game. :innocent:

LOL

[themaxzero]

rumination888 wrote...

Why is it people talk like you start with the VIper? You don't even get it until halfway through the game. :innocent:

I said it's an option to consider for Soldier, especially since you get it much earlier then the Widow. Unlike the Infiltrator the Soldier actually has a choice in the Collector Ship.

Modifié par themaxzero, 14 mars 2010 - 10:35 .

[Tlazolteotl]

Erm, you can finish the game without finding the viper, you know.

It is somewhat hidden in a corner.

[themaxzero]

Tlazolteotl wrote...

Erm, you can finish the game without finding the viper, you know.
It is somewhat hidden in a corner.

If you miss it the first time it actually appears a second time further up in the tower (right next to the comm where to you tell Nassana her guards are dead).

[Tlazolteotl]

themaxzero wrote...

Tlazolteotl wrote...

Erm, you can finish the game without finding the viper, you know.
It is somewhat hidden in a corner.

If you miss it the first time it actually appears a second time further up in the tower (right next to the comm where to you tell Nassana her guards are dead).

Hey, didn't know that. Awesome.

[KhanQuest 419]

superimposed wrote...

Soldier.
Simply because you look much cooler with your back covered in weapons.

THIS.

also when trying to take those shots when your exposed is no worry because soldiers can take pain

[Athenau]

Well the 140% damage increase is to offset the 70% dilation in time.

The game time averaged numbers I posted are really only accurate for high ROF weapons where you fire continuously and trigger rush whenever it's available.



For low ROF weapons it's better to actually count how many shots you get in a rush vs during the cooldown.



That said, IMO the infiltrator makes a better dedicated sniper with the one shot sniper rifles. On a soldier waiting for the slow reload animation to finish during a rush is annoying, and the extra damage is more for conserving ammo than anything else.

[WillieStyle]

superimposed wrote...

Soldier.
Simply because you look much cooler with your back covered in weapons.

I don't like the shotgun across my butt. It makes me look fat.

[sandman7431]

WillieStyle wrote...

superimposed wrote...

Soldier.
Simply because you look much cooler with your back covered in weapons.

I don't like the shotgun across my butt. It makes me look fat.

LOL!!!

[OneBadAssMother]

Thanks for the replies people, its good to have many opinions. Still building a consensus however.

The Infiltrator pulls ahead through killspeed on regular mobs. If you're using the Widow you don't have to wait 3 seconds between shots while you wait for AR to refresh, you just pop out and bam get another kill. No Cloak needed, just aiming a headshot is all thats required.

True, my insanity infiltrator run pretty much wiped out all regular mobs so quickly and wondered "what? is that it?" But ammo becomes a problem with higher level mobs I found, takes 5 shots to kill a scion, while it's only 3 shots with a soldier and A-rush. Also Assassination cloak has 2x the cooldown of a-rush making it not so good for using it to maximise damage all the time.

To be honest, I found myself rarely using cloak as a damage booster. It was more of a disengage/reposition button, or to have a little fun by running up and bashing stuff to death.

Hahaha yeah! That's always fun

Yeah its possible, but its a lot harder to do so when enemies are moving laterally. In that situation you have two choices. Take the shot and potentially miss, wasting valuable Widow ammunition, or hunker down and wait for a good clean shot.

Enemies moving laterally was hard to hit at first but I learnt a trick - set your mouse sensitivity to high. After some practice you can hit moving targets quite easily. Most of the problem seems to lie with enemies moving faster then your aim in my experience.



So far it seems overall infiltrators can dish out much more damage per second in a sniper role but not damage per shot. But then comes the ammunition problems. Argh... should attach a scope on the heavy pistol!

[Gaidren]

I think Soldier is the more powerful class overall....+140% damage with Heightened AR is pretty huge. The fact that they have assault rifles by default is also really helpful (I actually take assault rifles over the Widow on my Infiltrator....I just find it way too useful having a powerful backup weapon to my sniper rifle and the Viper is actually pretty damned good).



Infiltrator's Cloak can get you out of some tight spots that Adrenaline Rush won't, though. Sometimes the only solution is to relocate to a better piece of cover, and Cloak makes that easier. AoE Incinerate is also amazing vs. Husk swarms, which is a tool that Soliders don't have.



I found Infiltrator to be more fun, but Soldier to be more powerful.

[bevey2176]

You forget that the 140% dmg is due to time dilation ok... they both have that even though the infiltrator has a 50% time dilation making a 100% increased dmg that parred with the assassins cloak making 175% atleast that is what I get from my theory.

[OneBadAssMother]

^ Theory fails, 3 shots with a-rush headshots on scions, 5 shots with infiltrator.



Or perhaps its due to lack of upgrades during my infiltrator run. Anyone else got an opinion on this?

[bevey2176]

yeah... get back to me on that when you are sure you have equal upgrades I wanna actually know if my theory is in class. I would test this but am in class atm.

[bevey2176]

you also need to make sure you are equal level too since enemies scale with level.

[OneBadAssMother]

Currently waiting for thisisme8 to post me a video (on a vanguard playthrough atm). So no go for me, I don't really save very often either on my playthroughs (either then quick save heh)

[bevey2176]

When I get out of class in a couple hours ill test and post the results.

[OneBadAssMother]

Thanks a lot, if your theory proves correct, then I shall have to go infiltrator again!

[ralx22]

bevey2176 wrote...

You forget that the 140% dmg is due to time dilation ok... they both have that even though the infiltrator has a 50% time dilation making a 100% increased dmg that parred with the assassins cloak making 175% atleast that is what I get from my theory.

If you're sugessting that the infiltrator also recieves a dmg boost from their time dilation, that's not true at all.
The dmg boost that soldier gets from addrenaline rush is just another feature of the power, not neccesarily because of the time dilation caused by the power.

Modifié par ralx22, 15 mars 2010 - 03:59 .

[Gaidren]

ralx22 wrote...

bevey2176 wrote...

You forget that the 140% dmg is due to time dilation ok... they both have that even though the infiltrator has a 50% time dilation making a 100% increased dmg that parred with the assassins cloak making 175% atleast that is what I get from my theory.

If you're sugessting that the infiltrator also recieves a dmg boost from their time dilation, that's not true at all.
The dmg boost that soldier gets from addrenaline rush is just another feature of the power, not neccesarily because of the time dilation caused by the power.

Exactly.  Infiltrators do *not* get any damage boost while using sniper rifles even though they get time dilation.  They only get a damage boost from Cloak (if it is up).

Soldiers get +100% damage from Adrenaline Rush, and +140% from Heightened Adrenaline Rush.  This is the main reason the pro-Soldier crowd feel that Soliders make better snipers.  Their damage per shot is significantly higher, assuming you only snipe while AR is up.

[Besetment]

Except that you can only get 1x widow shot off in Adrenaline Rush followed by a slow reload. Then you have to wait another 3 seconds to get time dilation again. Infiltrator shoots in time dilation, reloads in realtime and then can immediate scope and get another 2+ seconds of time dilation.

If you rely on time dilation for headshots, Infiltrator is the way to go with widow. You get less damage from cloak and the cooldown is twice as long but its easy to nail headshot after headshot. Besides, widow does so much damage that you can 1 shot many enemies regardless of whether you are cloaked or not and regardless of what ammo power or upgrades you have. Vorcha and LOKI mechs for instance always die to 1x headshot on Insanity+. This is with zero upgrades and no ammo power. If you cloak before dropping a LOKI its just overkill and a waste of a cloak.

However, if you are some kind of counter-strike seasoned terminator, you can probably nail moving headshots consistantly without time dilation at all. Viper works better on a Soldier because you can go full on semi auto without time dilation. You do need godly aim though. Infiltrator always gets time dilation when scoping so the first two shots never miss and then time suddenly speeds up. It makes it really easy to miss cuz it throws off your aim and the distance to lead targets. Very annoying. The only way to avoid this is to not put any points in Operative but you lose alot of paragon/renegade points and some other nice perks that make it a bit hard to stomach.

Modifié par Besetment, 15 mars 2010 - 08:24 .

[Gumbeaux Jr]

As a personal opinion, my Infiltrator run was so much more fun to snipe with as I could line up clear headshots without interference. However, I absolutely had to do a soldier run as I was feeling so left out with the Revenant (I believe, whichever you get as a soldier on the collector's base) and found it even more fun to run around with my Collector's armor, Collector's AR, and the Collector's particle beam... :-)

[Finraelin]

Cloak is a tech power though, so it benefits from upgrades unlike adrenaline rush. A fully upgraded assassin cloak will actually add 112.5% damage bonus, last 7.2 seconds, and recharge in 4.6 seconds.