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[Zahgnal]

i was gonna buy mass effect 1 until i heard of this "DRM" thing. apparently, you gott reactivate with bioware every 10 days, if you update your computer, it wastes an activation, which only 3 are given to you when you get the game, or if you change your computer via system, it wastes one too, and some other stuff of how it hampers gameplay and the game itself. It's gotten to the point where i dont know what's true or not. So im asking you guys: what exactly IS DRM, and what are the pros and cons of it.thx in advance

[Zahgnal]

oh, and btw, when they mean by update, do they mean by actually updating your computer with "company sent upgrades or actually changing your computer(motherboard,graphics card,etc.)

[Gorath Alpha]

Copy protection, and in the case of what is on ME-1, the next worst kind of all (Star Force is worse, however, both have a nasty ROOTKIT that is dangerous as hell).  Buy the digital downloaded versions only (no rootkit).  They may also include the limitation on installs, however, the patches altered that to some extent, so that an uninstall removed a flag for having used up an install count, and the number of installs was always five. 

Modifié par Gorath Alpha, 14 mars 2010 - 04:36 .

[Kloreep]

You do not have to re-activate it periodically, that was something they tossed out before releasing the game. Most versions do include a SecuROM internet activation system, however, with an install limit of 5.



If you want to avoid SecuROM, the Steam version only uses Steam's DRM. Just be warned that both DLCs for the game still use SecuROM and have their own individual activation limits, which cannot be "revoked" to regain the activation - once you run out of activations for them you have to contact EA support for more.

[DarkWaterSong]

I discovered that the copy protection on ME1 does not function properly with Windows 7 Pro 64 bit. I am NEVER asked to put in my disk, where on XP I had to have it in every time I plaid the game.

Oh, and I am not a pirate and am not running any sort of cracking software. This is just the North American retail version of the game on a Win 7 PC.


Edit: I know you can get ME1 cheap on STEAM....but if you don't like the idea of a game dialing home, then you probly don't like STEAM.

Modifié par DarkWaterSong, 14 mars 2010 - 06:11 .

[Kloreep]

It's not supposed to require the disc anyway, under normal circumstances - just do the internet activation.

You bring up a good point, though: you can actually disable the on-line authentication in the retail version by renaming a file (I think it's paul.dll), which will cause it to switch to a disc check.

Edit: And yes, Steam is also an internet activation system. However, it has no install limits, and if you keep the Steam client in off-line mode after installing ME through it, it shouldn't actually require an internet connection any more than the SecuROM system does.

Modifié par Kloreep, 14 mars 2010 - 06:13 .

[Kloreep]

Zahgnal PMed me asking what Steam was, I'll reply here in case anyone watching the thread is curious. In brief, it's a Direct Download service. DD services are akin to an on-line store like Amazon in that you shop for stuff & pay for it on-line. The difference is that Direct Download also send you the game on-line - since games are just computer files, there's no strict need to send you anything physical, after all.

Steam is the biggest Direct Download service for PC games. You have to have their Steam client program running not only to install games but to play them - that is, Steam IS the Digital Rights Management system for its games, akin to the on-line activation systems EA has been using. But Steam does at least let you put the program in "off-line" mode if you aren't going to have access to the internet, and it does not limit the number of times you can install the game/download it from Steam servers.

In general, I would recommend Impulse over Steam, because the DRM is lighter: They require you to run the Impulse client program to install games, but after that, the games will run on their own. However, both Impulse and Steam allow publishers to put their own additional DRM on top of their own, which is something to watch out for when shopping on them. In the case of Mass Effect 1, the Steam version only has the Steam DRM, while the Impulse version also has the SecuROM system; therefore, for Mass Effect 1 specifically, I recommend Steam.

Also, I can't leave Good Old Games out of a list of Direct Download services. GoG has no DRM - none is applied by GoG, and they do not allow publishers to put their own on either. It therefore kicks the collective behinds of all other Direct Download services out there. Unfortunately, they only publish "old" games, as the name implies, so something more recent than 5 years, like Mass Effect, is not going to be available through them.

[Zahgnal]

Kloreep wrote...

It's not supposed to require the disc anyway, under normal circumstances - just do the internet activation.

You bring up a good point, though: you can actually disable the on-line authentication in the retail version by renaming a file (I think it's paul.dll), which will cause it to switch to a disc check.

Edit: And yes, Steam is also an internet activation system. However, it has no install limits, and if you keep the Steam client in off-line mode after installing ME through it, it shouldn't actually require an internet connection any more than the SecuROM system does.

Did i hear "no instal limits"? im in, what exactly IS steam, and how can i use it?

[ps3alexpr]

I was about to buy ME 1 and ME2 but this thing(DRM) have worry, and I really want to play them on my pc.

[DarkWaterSong]

FYI - There is one major reason to buy games for PC....the mods. Any game that sells well will get them, and some are really cool. Also most PC games have Cheat Codes, which can be a lot of fun.



And one more thing about Steam...wait for sales!!! I picked up Batman: Arkham Asylum for $10 in on Cyber Monday (Monday after Black Friday) last year.

[MaaZeus]

ps3alexpr wrote...

I was about to buy ME 1 and ME2 but this thing(DRM) have worry, and I really want to play them on my pc.

You can always use a crack, but ME install-limit garbage is now bypassed officially ("legally") too. Install-limit DRM is no longer a concern.

http://www.fileshack...Management Tool

Modifié par MaaZeus, 17 mars 2010 - 10:30 .

[madcollock]

You can always buy from Gamersgate. I have used Steam and Implus to purchase games and gamersgate is the be. The download client it temp file, it does give some issues with resuming downloads though. Sometimes the download speeds can be slower but I hate the Steam client and Implus clients.

[madcollock]

madcollock wrote...

You can always buy from Gamersgate. I have used Steam and Implus to purchase games and gamersgate is the best. The download client it temp file, it does give some issues with resuming downloads though. Sometimes the download speeds can be slower but I hate the Steam and Implus clients will never buy from them unless I am forced to even then it would have to be a great game.

[jakenou]

MaaZeus wrote...

ps3alexpr wrote...

I was about to buy ME 1 and ME2 but this thing(DRM) have worry, and I really want to play them on my pc.

You can always use a crack, but ME install-limit garbage is now bypassed officially ("legally") too. Install-limit DRM is no longer a concern.

http://www.fileshack...Management Tool

So is that bypass usable for the disc version of the game then?

I was also wondering about other DD options, such as Direct2Drive and Gamestop actually has a DD of ME1 available, as well as the EA store itself (but I'm going to guess the EA store is the least favorable option of all heh).

I want to get a retail disc version of ME1 if they start stocking it again, but otherwise I wouldn't have a problem going with a digital version as long as I didn't have to be online to use it, can install it as many times as needed, and could perhaps make a backup disc of the digital version (in case perhaps I want to install it on an offline system). I'm also thinking the digital versions will run much more smoothly than the disc version as long as the initial install was all good. True?

[Kepha]

Yes, the deauthorization works for the CD version of the game, but it does require that you run it on the computer where you had it installed. It won't pull back authorizations from computers that you don't have access too.



There is more information on EA's deauthorization process at http://activate.ea.com/deauthorize/

[Opus232]

I haven't posted in the ME forums in a while. The original forum was still alive the last time I posted.  I just signed up for this one today.

Anyway, I'm actually down to my last activation. For various reasons I've had to do more than one OS reinstall since I purchased the game in June of '08. The first time, I don't think the deauthorization tool was out either that or I didn't know about it yet. There were at least two times where my system was so f*#@ed up that I couldn't get online (little string of bad luck, I don't even want to get into it beyond that). The last time time I just forgot (my own fault obviously).

So down to by last activation.

An earlier post in this thread talked about deleting or renaming a file paul.dll, which would bypasse the activation, but require the DVD to be in the drive (I've never had a problem with having to put the damn disc in the drive!) I've seen this discussed in other forums as well. Will this actually work if you've run out of activations? It can't be that easy.

Modifié par Opus232, 22 mars 2010 - 06:13 .

[jakenou]

I wish I could answer that Opus, but I want to know too.

[sjsharp2011]

Opus232 wrote...

I haven't posted in the ME forums in a while. The original forum was still alive the last time I posted.  I just signed up for this one today.

Anyway, I'm actually down to my last activation. For various reasons I've had to do more than one OS reinstall since I purchased the game in June of '08. The first time, I don't think the deauthorization tool was out either that or I didn't know about it yet. There were at least two times where my system was so f*#@ed up that I couldn't get online (little string of bad luck, I don't even want to get into it beyond that). The last time time I just forgot (my own fault obviously).

So down to by last activation.

An earlier post in this thread talked about deleting or renaming a file paul.dll, which would bypasse the activation, but require the DVD to be in the drive (I've never had a problem with having to put the damn disc in the drive!) I've seen this discussed in other forums as well. Will this actually work if you've run out of activations? It can't be that easy.

I'd love to know the answer to that myself abnything to allow me to run ME1 on my edsktop would be greatas I do have to run it on my laptop currently as that's the onlyy device I have with asn internet connectionI didn't buy my laptop with gaming in mingd as that's what I bought my desktop for. I've never had a problem withhaving the disk in the drive either as I run all my games thast way anyway

[Bogsnot1]

If you run out of activations, its simply a matter of contacting EA support and getting them to erset the counter. Use live chat, as they tend not to answer their emails.

[sjsharp2011]

Opus232 wrote...

I haven't posted in the ME forums in a while. The original forum was still alive the last time I posted.  I just signed up for this one today.

Anyway, I'm actually down to my last activation. For various reasons I've had to do more than one OS reinstall since I purchased the game in June of '08. The first time, I don't think the deauthorization tool was out either that or I didn't know about it yet. There were at least two times where my system was so f*#@ed up that I couldn't get online (little string of bad luck, I don't even want to get into it beyond that). The last time time I just forgot (my own fault obviously).

So down to by last activation.

An earlier post in this thread talked about deleting or renaming a file paul.dll, which would bypasse the activation, but require the DVD to be in the drive (I've never had a problem with having to put the damn disc in the drive!) I've seen this discussed in other forums as well. Will this actually work if you've run out of activations? It can't be that easy.

not suer if you run out of activations but it does bypassa the need to run iit on an internet connection as I've bee4n playing it on my edsktop which dosen't have internet access