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[Palentor]

Shouldn't be that hard in theory to import the Epilogue Save of your Ultimate Sacrifice Ending, in which a flag (let's call it WardenAlive=?) is set to true or false. If set to false it keeps the decisions, e.g. other set flags, and redirects you to the Character Creation Interface with an automated forced Save Game right when you start out (named A new beginning, or such), and sets the WardenAlive=true again. Voila.

[Abyss Vixen]

Wouldnt doing that just allow you to transfer a dead warden to awakening if the import wasnt an option? (which btw it is which seems to be peoples issue). Though i guess you could do some scripts like that to setup your import to convert to a Orlesian warden creators but will only contain wardens choices not really any background story on the dead warden.

Basicly just make your Orlesian a re-skinned version of a normal warden which i dont think is what they are after. To get what they want to achieve would require a complete re-build of multiple conversations, storys and re-writing charecters which really can't be done by a modder unless he has alot of spare time and cash for voice actors >.>. So yer really only bioware can do exactly what they want.

But i guess you cant please everyone and i havnt really done the US ending as i believe they wouldnt transfer when i did the run throughs so did bother trying it as i fell in love with my own charecters to much to not play them again .

Edit:- After writing this i also remember i just fell into the off-topic trap!! /kiss David Gaider, there we go back on topic.

Modifié par Abyss Vixen, 14 mars 2010 - 01:51 .

[Feraele]

Palentor wrote...

Shouldn't be that hard in theory to import the Epilogue Save of your Ultimate Sacrifice Ending, in which a flag (let's call it WardenAlive=?) is set to true or false. If set to false it keeps the decisions, e.g. other set flags, and redirects you to the Character Creation Interface with an automated forced Save Game right when you start out (named A new beginning, or such), and sets the WardenAlive=true again. Voila.

THIS...or it could be called perhaps...WardenLegacy?    Maybe sometime in the future the Bioware techies will get this figured out. 

  I think it would be popular..and VERY much contribute to continuity and believability.  Instead of the whoop ..your dead warden took up his bed and is miraculously not dead.   Although still, the dead warden alive again..is viable for those that don't care about story continuity.

[fthg42]

David Gaider wrote...

Feraele wrote...
Pretty much out of his hands.

Pretty much, yep.

Thanks, David.  It's no small amount of comfort to hear that the way the US ending was dealt with was not by design.

That aside, I've also been a crazy fan of yours since the BG2 days, but agree that the depth and breadth of Dragon Age represents your best work to date.  I'd...maybe not kiss you on the mouth, Jack Anvil's got that covered...maybe an awkward man-hug?  Er...how 'bout I just buy you a beer?  Do you take beers from random strangers?

Modifié par fthg42, 14 mars 2010 - 04:23 .

[Abyss Vixen]

If not Compromise and you can give him the cash for a beer of his choice.

[qalan]

Kail Ashton wrote...

...some say he resides out in the yellowstone forest, hidden in a cave with bigfoot...

What's the difference between that and living in Edmonton???

Just kidding!

(Former Edmonton resident BTW)

[EmperorSahlertz]

Feraele wrote...

habitat 67 wrote...

Feraele wrote...

habitat 67 wrote...

You died.... GAME OVER Mario.

If you hate it so much  shut up, don't revive yourself and don't kill off your main character next time you play a game which might have a sequel.
Really, it is common sense.

I guess you don't know this...Habitat...BUT ..the Ultimate Sacrifice is a LEGITIMATE ENDING..it also has EVERYTHING TO DO with the main campaign.

Wardens are taught from the get-go..that that is their goal, to die in service for their country...to stop the Blight by killing the Archdemon........it is a Warden's duty to do thusly...as it is ONLY a warden that can kill an Archdemon and make sure its soul doesn't transfer to a darkspawn to start all over again..

So telling people to shut up...doesn't change the facts.     People who are unhappy about the US ending....with no credit carrying forward for their dead warden...are unlikely to be concerned for the most part about reviving their dead warden.

Instead what they want..is "some" sort of acknowledgement of their heroic sacrifice..porting over to Awakening..WITHOUT mysteriously coming back to life for no reason at all.

So common sense...in this case,  would be to play all possible endings...Ultimate Sacrifice is one of those endings..

Soooo...what were you going on about again? ^^

You already get a funeral. What more do you want?
You. Died.
Dead! Rotting.  

I want what the rest of the story endings get...my decisions and choices porting over to Awakening..just like  yours will.  

I want continuity...if you don't understand that word..use a dictionary.

I don't want plot holes........we have one here with the US ending.

I want what was promised me..at the end,  an honourable burial at Weisshaupt...after all I DID do my duty.

I also want the statue in my honour,  I also want that..if Alistair was king..that it shows that he still is..when I access Awakening.

I want my decisions for that 83 hour play-through to matter. 


Thats all...just want what the rest of you are getting...nothing different.

If you wanted to know how the world would fare after the Blight you really should have thought twice about sacrificing yourself...

[d0de]

Jack Anvil wrote...

Is it too much to ask that I be able to express my desire to kiss David Gaider -- in a totally heterosexual way -- without all of this verbal cross-fire?

No it's not too much to ask. In fact I would bet David likes hearing a thank you every now and than from the fans. I too and jazzed for Awakening and I love this universe that has been built. For me though kissing him for it is out of the question, maybe a shoulder rub though.

[YohkoOhno]

The point is that Faraele is being pretty goddamn clear, and people are still having trouble understanding, as evidenced by certain remarks, such as:

"If you have a problem with the game, then don't buy it."

"If you don't like the decision you made, then make a different one."

"You would complain if you couldn't play as your dead character in the expansion."

"Why don't you just play as Orlesian Warden?"

Plain english can sometimes be too much for the simple minds that frequent the forums. So if one cannot keep up, one should not be commenting.

First of all, the way Faraele writes her sentences, I suspect English is not her first language, based on her grammar.  (Though I could be wrong, based on how some people post).

That being said, most of us understand what you guys are asking for, but there are those of us who believe the following:

1)  The Game Engine was designed based around a character.  The information regarding things like Loyalty and Character Importing come to light.  It obviously wasn't designed to import a world state while leaving your character dead.  So I think people need to understand that limitation.

2)  It stands to reason anybody going for character death, even if it's "in character", should not expect to ever continue adventures with that character.  So anybody choosing that fate should have never expected to ever see it referenced in Awakenings.

3)  The fact that a character can be "off page" raised from the dead once again gets back to the engine.  In this case, the developers realize that not just the uber-story types play this game, but other people.  And there's always the chance somebody played the game and made that choice, then wants to change their mind after finding out about an expansion.  In this case, the option is given to them because the engine allows it, and this is for the benefit of the player, not the story.  People need to remember that this is a game, not a novel.  

And I think the reason why some of us respond to the complainers is not because they have a valid point, but because they get over-dramatic about it, saying stuff like it is the "end of RP", it is the "end of Bioware quality", or other over-the-top statements.   We have some sympathy, but we hate the constant topics and wail and moan attitude over this minor decision.

People also need to remember that future expansions and chapters will probably not be constantly going over every little decision.  DA2 might be 50-100 years in the future, and even a sequel will probably not dwell on every single plot point in the game.  As much as people get attached to characters, the best writing deals with having some characters die or move on.  Mr. Gaider actually discussed this in a thread in the past.  

Modifié par YohkoOhno, 14 mars 2010 - 06:45 .

[Feraele]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Feraele wrote...

habitat 67 wrote...

Feraele wrote...

habitat 67 wrote...

You died.... GAME OVER Mario.

If you hate it so much  shut up, don't revive yourself and don't kill off your main character next time you play a game which might have a sequel.
Really, it is common sense.

I guess you don't know this...Habitat...BUT ..the Ultimate Sacrifice is a LEGITIMATE ENDING..it also has EVERYTHING TO DO with the main campaign.

Wardens are taught from the get-go..that that is their goal, to die in service for their country...to stop the Blight by killing the Archdemon........it is a Warden's duty to do thusly...as it is ONLY a warden that can kill an Archdemon and make sure its soul doesn't transfer to a darkspawn to start all over again..

So telling people to shut up...doesn't change the facts.     People who are unhappy about the US ending....with no credit carrying forward for their dead warden...are unlikely to be concerned for the most part about reviving their dead warden.

Instead what they want..is "some" sort of acknowledgement of their heroic sacrifice..porting over to Awakening..WITHOUT mysteriously coming back to life for no reason at all.

So common sense...in this case,  would be to play all possible endings...Ultimate Sacrifice is one of those endings..

Soooo...what were you going on about again? ^^

You already get a funeral. What more do you want?
You. Died.
Dead! Rotting.  

I want what the rest of the story endings get...my decisions and choices porting over to Awakening..just like  yours will.  

I want continuity...if you don't understand that word..use a dictionary.

I don't want plot holes........we have one here with the US ending.

I want what was promised me..at the end,  an honourable burial at Weisshaupt...after all I DID do my duty.

I also want the statue in my honour,  I also want that..if Alistair was king..that it shows that he still is..when I access Awakening.

I want my decisions for that 83 hour play-through to matter. 


Thats all...just want what the rest of you are getting...nothing different.

If you wanted to know how the world would fare after the Blight you really should have thought twice about sacrificing yourself...

Well..in that case Emperor..you should think twice and definitely hesitate about ANY ending in Origins...shouldn't you? 

I mean they are all legitimate endings..all penned by the writer,  therefore they exist and supposedly are viable..

It's definitely not MY fault that....there are technical glitches happening that prevent the legacy information from porting to Awakening.

That ..has to be left in the lap of the Bioware technical crew.   I'm a roleplayer....the story matters to me,  the fact that the wardens are groomed to be responsible enough to care about everyone else,  and selflessly take on the Archdemon..is part of that story.   It IS THE most heroic ending..as opposed to soliciting Morrigan's favours.

The plothole exists....

[Feraele]

YohkoOhno wrote...

The point is that Faraele is being pretty goddamn clear, and people are still having trouble understanding, as evidenced by certain remarks, such as:

"If you have a problem with the game, then don't buy it."

"If you don't like the decision you made, then make a different one."

"You would complain if you couldn't play as your dead character in the expansion."

"Why don't you just play as Orlesian Warden?"

Plain english can sometimes be too much for the simple minds that frequent the forums. So if one cannot keep up, one should not be commenting.

First of all, the way Faraele writes her sentences, I suspect English is not her first language, based on her grammar.  (Though I could be wrong, based on how some people post).

That being said, most of us understand what you guys are asking for, but there are those of us who believe the following:

1)  The Game Engine was designed based around a character.  The information regarding things like Loyalty and Character Importing come to light.  It obviously wasn't designed to import a world state while leaving your character dead.  So I think people need to understand that limitation.

2)  It stands to reason anybody going for character death, even if it's "in character", should not expect to ever continue adventures with that character.  So anybody choosing that fate should have never expected to ever see it referenced in Awakenings.

3)  The fact that a character can be "off page" raised from the dead once again gets back to the engine.  In this case, the developers realize that not just the uber-story types play this game, but other people.  And there's always the chance somebody played the game and made that choice, then wants to change their mind after finding out about an expansion.  In this case, the option is given to them because the engine allows it, and this is for the benefit of the player, not the story.  People need to remember that this is a game, not a novel.  

And I think the reason why some of us respond to the complainers is not because they have a valid point, but because they get over-dramatic about it, saying stuff like it is the "end of RP", it is the "end of Bioware quality", or other over-the-top statements.   We have some sympathy, but we hate the constant topics and wail and moan attitude over this minor decision.

First of all Yoko.......you do not start off with personal insults and personal assumptions about me..unless you intend on making enemies....is that your intent?

But..thats quite alright if that is your aim...go ahead...fill your boots.

Stating what is fact..is not wailing and moaning...perhaps you need some time with your dictionary to get a clear idea of what the definitions ot those words are.


I discuss topics..I do not get personal....MOST times.    You might learn ..to do that.    Instead of being petty.

And I would suggest you tone down your animosity toward me.

Modifié par Feraele, 14 mars 2010 - 09:37 .

[YohkoOhno]

Feraele wrote...

First of all Yoko.......you do not start off with personal insults and personal assumptions about me..unless you intend on making enemies....is that your intent?

But..thats quite alright if that is your aim...go ahead...fill your boots.

Stating what is fact..is not wailing and moaning...perhaps you need some time with your dictionary to get a clear idea of what the definitions ot those words are.


I discuss topics..I do not get personal....MOST times.    You might learn ..to do that.    Instead of being petty.

And I would suggest you tone down your animosity toward me.

Well, unfortunately I still suspect that American or British English is not your primary language.  I don't understand why you assume that is an insult.  It is not getting personal, it is an attempt to understand why your posts seem to convey an attitude--it might legitimately be a communication problem.  I have no idea what you mean by "making enemies".  You seem overly sensitive to any form of criticism.  I have no animosity towards you, just the constant attacking of people who disagree with you over this ultimate sacrifice issue.

As far as stating fact, you don't just state opinions, you use hyperbole like "they don't care about roleplay", and it seems you always make the same arguments and instead of accepting compromise you always insult people who disagree with your opinion with statements like "use a dictionary".  It does cross the line between regular criticism and goes off into the realm of whining.  

People can disagree with you, and it's not "being petty".  You need to be able to refute arguments or at least understand the other side instead of your own viewpoint.  

Modifié par YohkoOhno, 14 mars 2010 - 09:57 .

[Feraele]

YohkoOhno wrote...

Feraele wrote...

First of all Yoko.......you do not start off with personal insults and personal assumptions about me..unless you intend on making enemies....is that your intent?

But..thats quite alright if that is your aim...go ahead...fill your boots.

Stating what is fact..is not wailing and moaning...perhaps you need some time with your dictionary to get a clear idea of what the definitions ot those words are.


I discuss topics..I do not get personal....MOST times.    You might learn ..to do that.    Instead of being petty.

And I would suggest you tone down your animosity toward me.

Well, unfortunately I still suspect that American or British English is not your primary language.  I don't understand why you assume that is an insult.  It is not getting personal, it is an attempt to understand why your posts seem to convey an attitude--it might be a communication problem.  I have no idea what you mean by "making enemies".  You seem overly sensitive to any form of criticism.  I have no animosity towards you, just the constant attacking of people who disagree with you over this ultimate sacrifice issue.

As far as stating fact, you don't just state opinions, you use hyperbole like "they don't care about roleplay", and it seems you always make the same arguments and instead of accepting compromise you always insult people who disagree with your opinion with statements like "use a dictionary".  It does cross the line between regular criticism and goes off into the realm of whining.  

People can disagree with you, and it's not "being petty".

To start off your remarks...ASSUMING or maybe slandering a person...is not the way to go.

I am Canadian..born and raised.  I shouldn't have to defend my English grammar from you...this isn't an English course..we aren't in college.

Where are you from...Timbuctoo?   Where do you get off at assuming...anything about someone else when you don't know them from a hole in the wall? 

Yes..that is insulting..whether you realize it or not.  

[Feraele]

As for attempting to understand...my position or WHATEVER it was you thought you were doing, instead you just come off as presumptuous and again..petty.



Address the topic being discussed..not the person behind it..and we'll get along just ..fine.

[YohkoOhno]

Feraele wrote...

I am Canadian..born and raised.  I shouldn't have to defend my English grammar from you...this isn't an English course..we aren't in college.

There's still the chance French is your first language if you were from Quebec.  As far as grammar goes--well, when you tell others to "use a dictionary" (and it's not just me you state this to), you open criticism of your own grammar.  It's very hard to use that argument in a debate and then not be judged by the same qualifications.  As far as being petty goes, you need to stop using the "use a dictionary" argument towards others and similar insults.  It would be helpful if you could get less emotional in your viewpoint on this particular issue. 



 

Modifié par YohkoOhno, 14 mars 2010 - 10:07 .

[Gorthaur the Cruel]

This thread should be locked, I do not see how it's discussing anything related to awakening.

Modifié par Solostran85, 14 mars 2010 - 10:08 .

[Feraele]

YohkoOhno wrote...

Feraele wrote...

I am Canadian..born and raised.  I shouldn't have to defend my English grammar from you...this isn't an English course..we aren't in college.

There's still the chance French is your first language if you were from Quebec.  As far as grammar goes--well, when you tell others to "use a dictionary" (and it's not just me you state this to), you open criticism of your own grammar.  It's very hard to use that argument in a debate and then not be judged by the same qualifications.  As far as being petty goes, you need to stop using the "use a dictionary" argument towards others and similar insults.  It would be helpful if you could get less emotional in your viewpoint on this particular issue. 

 

Okay..so with that superior view of me...where do you hail from Yoko.....again you are still assuming..you haven't bothered to ask, instead you prefer to assume

Oh and I note that you tend to "follow" and respond to anything I post lately....got something on your mind?

[Jenocide]

i would love him more if bioware had more chicken's in there games!

[Feraele]

Solostran85 wrote...

This thread should be locked, I do not see how it's discussing anything related to awakening.

Agreed.

[Mass Fraud]

Jenocide wrote...

i would love him more if bioware had more chicken's in there games!

Well there was that one............................................ well..... you know that Shale..............

[YohkoOhno]

Okay..so with that superior view of me...where do you hail from Yoko.....again you are still assuming..you haven't bothered to ask, instead you prefer to assume

Oh and I note that you tend to "follow" and respond to anything I post lately....got something on your mind?

The US, New England, English is my only language.  And I'm not following you, I simply have come across your posts when reading about awakening.  Try not to be too paranoid.  

[Feraele]

YohkoOhno wrote...

Okay..so with that superior view of me...where do you hail from Yoko.....again you are still assuming..you haven't bothered to ask, instead you prefer to assume

Oh and I note that you tend to "follow" and respond to anything I post lately....got something on your mind?

The US, New England, English is my only language.  And I'm not following you, I simply have come across your posts when reading about awakening.  Try not to be too paranoid.  

LOL and she spits out yet another label for me..

Got a list of favorites you read from..for self-defense?   You are American...I take it.   Do you realize that certain words that are spelled the Canadian way are in fact spelled correctly?   I assume thats what you mean by grammar.

And did you know that not EVERYONE in Canada is French Canadian?   Do you know any geography..in relation to Canada?  I bet you don't.  

Typical....

Anyways this conversation is ended..and please stop shadowing me...not appreciated.

[YohkoOhno]

LOL and she spits out yet another label for me..

Not a label, you made an indication that I was following you.

Got a list of favorites you read from..for self-defense?  You are American...I take it.   Do you realize that certain words that are spelled the Canadian way are in fact spelled correctly?   I assume thats what you mean by grammar.

See, I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.  Got a list of favorites?  What--what the heck are you talking about???  Self Defense??!  If you can't speak clearly and communicate, this is part of the problem.  And by Grammar I meant sentence structure, not the British spelling of words like colour.

Modifié par YohkoOhno, 14 mars 2010 - 10:42 .