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[Valdrane78]

JediPilot0 wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

There is no reason video games need explicit sex or nudity; if you are that horny use your goddamn internet browser.

Sex and nudity are part of life. There's no reason games tailored for adults SHOULDN'T have sex and nudity. Go walk around in your local mall, and you'll probably see way more than Miranda gives you.

As long as it is a part of the game plot and progression I agree.  But her suit does nothing of the sort, it's just there.

[Akrylik]

Ecael wrote...

Internet Kraken wrote...

Whenever I look at Miranda, I always wonder if wearing incredibly tight latex is uncomfortable.

Also I agree that her outfit is ridiculous. It wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for the camera during many of her cutscenes.



I mean come on.

The location of the 'Investigate' option is quite amusing.

Ecael you never fail at giving me lols in this forum.

[Internet Kraken]

JediPilot0 wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

There is no reason video games need explicit sex or nudity; if you are that horny use your goddamn internet browser.

Sex and nudity are part of life. There's no reason games tailored for adults SHOULDN'T have sex and nudity. Go walk around in your local mall, and you'll probably see way more than Miranda gives you.

I just don't enjoy having half of the screen obscured by her ass due the the damn camera. It makes it feel like she is only in the game for sex appeal.

This occures regularly during casual conversations with her. It's not like you have to romance her for this to happen.

Modifié par Internet Kraken, 14 mars 2010 - 06:11 .

[Platypus92]

Since there was no nudity in this game they had to give the sex perverts something to gawk at.

[Onyx Jaguar]

JediPilot0 wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

JediPilot0 wrote...

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This is a Red Herring. We were arguing about Miranda's suit design, NOT whether or not she should wear it in combat. Use your head please. Don't change the subject.

And yes, it's dumb that no-one wears armor in combat.

I was talking about real life actually.

Modifié par Onyx Jaguar, 14 mars 2010 - 06:13 .

[JediPilot0]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

JediPilot0 wrote...

ITT, a bunch of prudes.

There's no reason a game made for adults can't go where movies can go. It's not like every character has ******, but ****ing because ONE character does? Come on.

Having a beautiful character is one thing; having her and the camera constantly throwing it at you is quite another.

like I said, subtlty is underrated.

Well, that's an artistic choice of presentation that Bioware thought best conveyed her characteristics. I don't see people complaining of the slow, full body camera scan of Samara's body when you first meet her. Story-wise, Miranda is supposed to be physically perfect, so I see no reason Bioware shouldn't show her off.

I mean, they can treat her like every other character, or they can add some style. I agree with how they did it, but this is all subjective anyway.

Look at movies. Any sultry type of character is treated the same way. Not even just women. Look at bond comming out of the ocean in slow-mo in casino royale. Camera work is another tool to convey meaning, and in this case, I support how they approached Miranda.

[JediPilot0]

Valdrane78 wrote...

JediPilot0 wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

There is no reason video games need explicit sex or nudity; if you are that horny use your goddamn internet browser.

Sex and nudity are part of life. There's no reason games tailored for adults SHOULDN'T have sex and nudity. Go walk around in your local mall, and you'll probably see way more than Miranda gives you.

As long as it is a part of the game plot and progression I agree.  But her suit does nothing of the sort, it's just there.

Does it or does it not show off her genetically "perfect" body?

[JediPilot0]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

JediPilot0 wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

JediPilot0 wrote...

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This is a Red Herring. We were arguing about Miranda's suit design, NOT whether or not she should wear it in combat. Use your head please. Don't change the subject.

And yes, it's dumb that no-one wears armor in combat.

I was talking about real life actually.

Good thing you are applying social norms of human society to a fictional game set  150 + years in the future with aliens, then. Besides, it's not like noone noticed. Her suit was commented on by the Asari during her lyalty quest.

[JeanLuc761]

JediPilot0 wrote...
Well, that's an artistic choice of presentation that Bioware thought best conveyed her characteristics. I don't see people complaining of the slow, full body camera scan of Samara's body when you first meet her. Story-wise, Miranda is supposed to be physically perfect, so I see no reason Bioware shouldn't show her off.

I mean, they can treat her like every other character, or they can add some style. I agree with how they did it, but this is all subjective anyway.

Look at movies. Any sultry type of character is treated the same way. Not even just women. Look at bond comming out of the ocean in slow-mo in casino royale. Camera work is another tool to convey meaning, and in this case, I support how they approached Miranda.

It is entirely subjective, I'll agree on that...but I wouldn't go so far as to deem it "artistic."

If it was artistic then having the camera focusing on her ass would have meaning to it; as it stands, it focuses on her body even during casual conversations, almost like the game is saying "Hey! HEY! LOOK!!! LOOOOOOOK!"

The ONLY reason the camera frames her that way in so many shots is for the pure sex appeal, rather than trying to give more meaning to her character.  All it does, in my eyes, is turn Miranda into a very shallow person. 

As for Samara, that shot was artistic.  The slow camera pan showed a grace that contrasted with the decidedly gruesome actions she was about to perform.  Her shot has meaning; Miranda's doesnt.

[Ecael]

Akrylik wrote...

Ecael wrote...

Internet Kraken wrote...

Whenever I look at Miranda, I always wonder if wearing incredibly tight latex is uncomfortable.

Also I agree that her outfit is ridiculous. It wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for the camera during many of her cutscenes.



I mean come on.

The location of the 'Investigate' option is quite amusing.

Ecael you never fail at giving me lols in this forum.

Nice to know I can still post with sleep deprivation!

-_-

[JediPilot0]

Internet Kraken wrote...

JediPilot0 wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

There is no reason video games need explicit sex or nudity; if you are that horny use your goddamn internet browser.

Sex and nudity are part of life. There's no reason games tailored for adults SHOULDN'T have sex and nudity. Go walk around in your local mall, and you'll probably see way more than Miranda gives you.

I just don't enjoy having half of the screen obscured by her ass due the the damn camera. It makes it feel like she is only in the game for sex appeal.

This occures regularly during casual conversations with her. It's not like you have to romance her for this to happen.

No, it doesn't. The mose extreme example by FAR is the pic posted above. And again, you can see lots of examples of this type of camera work in movies.

You can convey meaning through camerawork. Yes, Miranda's features are part explicity of her character. I still don't see the problem. It's like I'm talking to a bunch of kids who are afraid their mothers will walk in during a Miranda convo or something.

[Valdrane78]

JediPilot0 wrote...

Valdrane78 wrote...

JediPilot0 wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

There is no reason video games need explicit sex or nudity; if you are that horny use your goddamn internet browser.

Sex and nudity are part of life. There's no reason games tailored for adults SHOULDN'T have sex and nudity. Go walk around in your local mall, and you'll probably see way more than Miranda gives you.

As long as it is a part of the game plot and progression I agree.  But her suit does nothing of the sort, it's just there.

Does it or does it not show off her genetically "perfect" body?

In excess, and that is the whole argument pretty much.  They did it in excess.  There are toher ways to convey her body.  But showing multiple shots of her suit up her cracks is just plain excessive.  And no, it didn't further the plot or the progression, there was no reason given for her suit being that tight, nore was there any story about why she had to wear that particular suit.  It was pure eye candy for the masses.

[JediPilot0]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

JediPilot0 wrote...
Well, that's an artistic choice of presentation that Bioware thought best conveyed her characteristics. I don't see people complaining of the slow, full body camera scan of Samara's body when you first meet her. Story-wise, Miranda is supposed to be physically perfect, so I see no reason Bioware shouldn't show her off.

I mean, they can treat her like every other character, or they can add some style. I agree with how they did it, but this is all subjective anyway.

Look at movies. Any sultry type of character is treated the same way. Not even just women. Look at bond comming out of the ocean in slow-mo in casino royale. Camera work is another tool to convey meaning, and in this case, I support how they approached Miranda.

The ONLY reason the camera frames her that way in so many shots is for
the pure sex appeal, rather than trying to give more meaning to her
character.

How does sex appeal not convey part of her character? Bioware made it clear that's how she was tailored. I really don't see the problem, and I'm not at all denying that she has a sultry side to her.

It's not like she's one of the generic Asari dancers. You can converse with her and learn that she's harder on herself because she thinks every positive trait of her's  is by design and every flaw is solely a failure. Sounds like a character to me.

[JediPilot0]

Valdrane78 wrote...

JediPilot0 wrote...

Valdrane78 wrote...

JediPilot0 wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

There is no reason video games need explicit sex or nudity; if you are that horny use your goddamn internet browser.

Sex and nudity are part of life. There's no reason games tailored for adults SHOULDN'T have sex and nudity. Go walk around in your local mall, and you'll probably see way more than Miranda gives you.

As long as it is a part of the game plot and progression I agree.  But her suit does nothing of the sort, it's just there.

Does it or does it not show off her genetically "perfect" body?

In excess, and that is the whole argument pretty much.  They did it in excess.  There are toher ways to convey her body.  But showing multiple shots of her suit up her cracks is just plain excessive.  And no, it didn't further the plot or the progression, there was no reason given for her suit being that tight, nore was there any story about why she had to wear that particular suit.  It was pure eye candy for the masses.

Yes, and I'm questioning why movies can get away with it but since we're in video game land, everyone is throwing a tantrum over a skin-tight suit. And you guys really are exaggerating the camera shots. As I said, the one above in this thread is by FAR the worst one, but nothing you can't see in movies. So they show off her ass, so what?

[Multifarious Algorithm]

Isn't this game rated M15+ or higher?
Isn't a principle of that rating the fact that it is probably not suitable for 13 year olds to be watching you play?
EDIT: You know what this is even dumber: it's a skintight body suit. You know where else I see skintight body suits? At the god damn beach in real life. Actually at my local beach there are also women sunbathing topless and the like - it's a family beach, people don't freak out etc. This thread is hilariously puritanical and stupid on many levels.

Modifié par Multifarious Algorithm, 14 mars 2010 - 06:29 .

[JeanLuc761]

JediPilot0 wrote...How does sex appeal not convey part of her character? Bioware made it clear that's how she was tailored. I really don't see the problem, and I'm not at all denying that she has a sultry side to her.

You're misunderstanding me.  Sex appeal is perfectly fine.  Excessive sex appeal that has no meaning and is constantly thrown in your face is downright unappealing. 

Hell, Tali has a sultry side but does she throw it in my face or does the camera purposefully focus on her curves?  Not even once, because it would have no meaning.  That's the difference here.

*Note, I am not trying to turn this into a Tali vs. Miranda flamewar, I'm simply using it as a comparison.

Modifié par JeanLuc761, 14 mars 2010 - 06:29 .

[JediPilot0]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

JediPilot0 wrote...How does sex appeal not convey part of her character? Bioware made it clear that's how she was tailored. I really don't see the problem, and I'm not at all denying that she has a sultry side to her.

You're misunderstanding me.  Sex appeal is perfectly fine.  Excessive sex appeal that has no meaning and is constantly thrown in your face is downright unappealing. 

Hell, Tali has a sultry side but does she throw it in my face or does the camera purposefully focus on her curves?  Not even once, because it would have no meaning.  That's the difference here.

I understand what you're saying. I'm curious as to how you justify that the way Miranda was handled in "excess". Where should the line be and why?

Tali wasn't handled that way because it was not an explicitly stated part of her character trait. Miranda specifically says her looks give her an advantage. Her looks. Visuals.

[JediPilot0]

Multifarious Algorithm wrote...
This thread is hilariously puritanical and stupid on many levels.

Tell me about it. I'm out of here.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Multifarious Algorithm wrote...

Isn't this game rated M15+ or higher?
Isn't a principle of that rating the fact that it is probably not suitable for 13 year olds to be watching you play?
EDIT: You know what this is even dumber: it's a skintight body suit. You know where else I see skintight body suits? At the god damn beach in real life. Actually at my local beach there are also women sunbathing topless and the like - it's a family beach, people don't freak out etc. This thread is hilariously puritanical and stupid on many levels.

So playing Mass Effect 2 is like going down to the beach the entire time?  I'm not against them sexualizing the characters at any time,  Hell I thought taking out nudity was a step backwards.  But MIranda's outfit the ENTIRE game is ridiculous, plus they manipulate the camera work to make it overtly sexual when it really isn't needed.

[SnakeHelah]

Oh I don't know.... Exploding heads, Limbs getting blown off... Okay for your son?

But a simple curve, And you need to send him to his room?

Yeah. Let's face it, you need to learn how to raise your kids, or understand that if you're kicking your son out for an ass, you should kick him out too because of violence. Cuz oh wait next thing you know, he's running around with a shotgun, yelling "I'M COMMANDER SHEPARD, THE REAPERS ARE COMMING!"

[Ramikadyc]

So why was the teenager sent away for seeing this again?

[Multifarious Algorithm]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Multifarious Algorithm wrote...

Isn't this game rated M15+ or higher?
Isn't a principle of that rating the fact that it is probably not suitable for 13 year olds to be watching you play?
EDIT: You know what this is even dumber: it's a skintight body suit. You know where else I see skintight body suits? At the god damn beach in real life. Actually at my local beach there are also women sunbathing topless and the like - it's a family beach, people don't freak out etc. This thread is hilariously puritanical and stupid on many levels.

So playing Mass Effect 2 is like going down to the beach the entire time?  I'm not against them sexualizing the characters at any time,  Hell I thought taking out nudity was a step backwards.  But MIranda's outfit the ENTIRE game is ridiculous, plus they manipulate the camera work to make it overtly sexual when it really isn't needed.

This happens in: movies, music videos, TV shows, comicbooks, magazines... The game is very conscious of the fact Miranda's outfit is ridiculous since they lampshade it constantly.

But the major point is: it's not nudity, it's a skintight bodysuit no different to what you'd see at the beach. The game is rated appropriately. The initial criticism of this thread is someone being surprised that a person outside the age group can't quite deal with what's in the game...and even then he was mostly talking about a camera glitch.

[It Is Massively Effective]

Valdrane78 wrote...

Needless to say my son got all excited by the extra tight suit and I had to send him to his room.

lol, that's like hitting your dog for wagging his tail.

Modifié par It Is Massively Effective, 14 mars 2010 - 06:44 .

[Keltoris]

It Is Massively Effective wrote...

Valdrane78 wrote...

Needless to say my son got all excited by the extra tight suit and I had to send him to his room.

lol, that's like hitting your dog for wagging his tail after you patted him.

*Fixed.

The game is MA.

[Jisai]

Valdrane78 wrote...

The camera view got messed up and we got a close up view of Miranda's girly part.  Needless to say my son got all excited by the extra tight suit and I had to send him to his room.

Bioware.....what was the point of making her suit so tight you could see her ******?

If you remember, early on in the game when Shep spoke to Miranda, they discussed how Miranda is 'enhanced'.
She not only mentioned how she is physically stronger than most humans, can heal faster and her physical form is also enhanced, and useful as a tool/weapon for manipulation.

You shouldnt let the idea of your 13 year old getting 'excited' over something that is a natural occurance and something he can witness any day of the week on the street or in school make you become frustrated at Bioware for their exploration of 'fanfare' that directly relates to this characters persona.

If you have an issue with your child witnessing said things you need to 1) disallow him to watch you play an M rated game, and 2) give him a thorough and complete understanding of the 'Birds and the Bees' which I would assume by 13 he has already had or learned for himself.

Either way, Miranda's tight outfits accent not only how she views herself, but also shows her interest in exhibitionism.  *Shrugs* its what all women with good assets do, if your proud of it, show it off.; some just are more tasteful outfits than others.

... mmm, ******... *Purr*