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[Minaach]

The ESRB was created for this type of reason. (ESRB was created in the early 90's I remember it too because of Mortal Kombat I was like...8? at the time) They drop the ball sometimes and yea they fail on occasion but an M rated game is an M rated game. My nephew is going to be 13 soon and I wonder about him playing M rated games. But really, it's the parents responsibility to either A. Research about the game and see for yourself what it contains. or B. Choose to not buy the game..if you can't take ~5 minutes to look up a game as to why it got an M rating, then it's your fault for not taking that responsibility. I'm 23 and I can look past at most of this stuff and see why it's in the game. Those of you who think that it's wrong or immoral, please grow up. Open your eyes and see what this world is coming too, if it offends you...here's a tip...d o n ' t p l a y i t.



And yes, what you see on TV or at a mall is honestly worse than a game. Pixels =/= Real people...

[jbadm04]

the game is rated mature, whats your problem op? next you will blame the porn industry because their "movies" show "nudity" while your youngster is watching them with you or what?

[Kekonek11]

OP is cancer killing video gaming. I bet his son watches all the gore movies, but his father QQs over internet about things like these, leading Fox News to create articles about Mass Effect, which leads to romance scenes we had in ME2. I mad, or is it master troll?

[spacehamsterZH]

Shandepared wrote...

There is no reason video games need explicit sex or nudity

...and Mass Effect has neither.

[Driving Ghost]

D: Op destroying gaming?

[Sailfindragon]

I am not about to get into a debate about certification of this game. But on the subject of Miranda, that ****** is just horrid! Jack has it too and they put that or Miranda's ass right in your face at every opportunity. Seriously, how the hell is that woman suppose to stay alive with that sort of clothing and fighting in high heel boots. I can barely walk the length of a street in those sort of shoes never mind wearing them in combat!

You can make a woman come across as being confident and comfortable with her body without acting like a hooker.



Just my 5 cents......I have a 14 year old son. Yes I would allow him to play ME, nothing worse than he would get by watching the news!

[Pandaman102]

Sailfindragon wrote...
But on the subject of Miranda, that ****** is just horrid! Jack has it too [...]

How does Jack's cameltoe show? Her pants are the baggiest in the entire ship.

Modifié par Pandaman102, 14 mars 2010 - 02:35 .

[Firmijn]

Having to send one to his room for getting "excited" with Mass Effect? Hard to picture that situation...

If this game hints at sex from to to time.. so be it, act mature about it, its a natural part of life and a few hundred years ago a kid aged 13 would probably already get married!



I wont mention the Rated Mature thing any further, others already did and its way to obvious.

The clothing Miranda wears is only to to show how perfect she is, thats a major part of the character! Her engeneerd greatness and how she has to deal with it. Her clothing is an example of that. Baggy pants and oversized sweater would kill the character.

Besides, she doesnt need any more armor like Shepard. She has the best armor there is: Plot Armor

[Throw_this_away]

I saw the CT up close and personal while trying to get a shot with a sniper rifle... Miranda came right in front of me and it was in the bloody cross-hairs.

I was like "get that thing the hell out of the way dammit!!"

For all the comments about Miranda... I still think that Jack's "clothing" is far worse. Just because she is flat, doesn't mean it is any less revealing. Imagine the fallout if Miranda wore Jack's outfit. There would be a lot of 13 year old boys, and 20/30+ year old guys being sent to their rooms.  Pure "flatism" I tell you.  

Modifié par Throw_this_away, 14 mars 2010 - 02:40 .

[Wild Still]

Women are full of sin! SIN! They must never be in a video game unless they wear proper attire! Where is her burqa?

[Sailfindragon]

Pandaman102 wrote...

Sailfindragon wrote...
But on the subject of Miranda, that ****** is just horrid! Jack has it too [...]

How does Jack's cameltoe show? Her pants are the baggiest in the entire ship.

When she jumps onto the table while speaking to shepard....

Firmijn wrote...
Besides, she doesnt need
any more armor like Shepard. She has the best armor there is: Plot Armor

Plot Armor. ROFL

Modifié par Sailfindragon, 14 mars 2010 - 02:58 .

[Firmijn]

Wild Still wrote...

Women are full of sin! SIN! They must never be in a video game unless they wear proper attire! Where is her burqa?

yes, the complaints do sound a bit  "conservative"

[Drom]

OP: mature rating... nuff said

[Pandaman102]

Sailfindragon wrote...

Pandaman102 wrote...

Sailfindragon wrote...
But on the subject of Miranda, that ****** is just horrid! Jack has it too [...]

How does Jack's cameltoe show? Her pants are the baggiest in the entire ship.

When she jumps onto the table while speaking to shepard....

I'm going to have to revisit that scene but as memory serves that's simply a crotch shot, and a brief one at that, which is completely different than "cameltoe showing".

Edit: running through a mission with Jack right now and after sending her onto an elevated platform and zooming up to her crotch I see absolutely no hint of cameltoe.

Modifié par Pandaman102, 14 mars 2010 - 02:57 .

[Zhijn]

Kekonek11 wrote...

OP is cancer killing video gaming. I bet his son watches all the gore movies, but his father QQs over internet about things like these, leading Fox News to create articles about Mass Effect, which leads to romance scenes we had in ME2. I mad, or is it master troll?

Your right, these people are a cancer on the video game industry. In their narrow-minded heads "video games" are still a kids only world. Im pushing 30 and seriously fed up with these over-the-top sensitive idiots who cry the second something hints of sex in a video game, cloth or actual romanced sex. F**k em i say, and i hope developers & publishers take that to heart one day.

Might come off as harsh, but its the absolute truth.

[Sailfindragon]

Pandaman102 wrote...

Sailfindragon wrote...

Pandaman102 wrote...

Sailfindragon wrote...
But on the subject of Miranda, that ****** is just horrid! Jack has it too [...]

How does Jack's cameltoe show? Her pants are the baggiest in the entire ship.

When she jumps onto the table while speaking to shepard....

I'm going to have to revisit that scene but as memory serves that's simply a crotch shot, and a brief one at that, which is completely different than "cameltoe showing".

Edit: running through a mission with Jack right now and after sending her onto an elevated platform and zooming up to her crotch I see absolutely no hint of cameltoe.

You only see it while she is on the table in her hidey hole. I have never noticed it anywhere else.

Goodness me I have just realised how sad I am.....36 and talking about cameltoes on a ME thread! ROFL

[Kekonek11]

Zhijn wrote...

Kekonek11 wrote...

OP is cancer killing video gaming. I bet his son watches all the gore movies, but his father QQs over internet about things like these, leading Fox News to create articles about Mass Effect, which leads to romance scenes we had in ME2. I mad, or is it master troll?

Your right, these people are a cancer on the video game industry. In their narrow-minded heads "video games" are still a kids only world. Im pushing 30 and seriously fed up with these over-the-top sensitive idiots who cry the second something hints of sex in a video game, cloth or actual romanced sex. F**k em i say, and i hope developers & publishers take that to heart one day.

Might come off as harsh, but its the absolute truth.

You are/will be good father. I just hope this thread will be deleted, so BioWare devs won't even think about what op wrote.

It's damn 2010, not 1970. Shove it down your throat, op. I don't want to live in a world where censure is still in effect.

Modifié par Kekonek11, 14 mars 2010 - 03:02 .

[JeanLuc761]

Kekonek11 wrote...

Zhijn wrote...

Kekonek11 wrote...

OP is cancer killing video gaming. I bet his son watches all the gore movies, but his father QQs over internet about things like these, leading Fox News to create articles about Mass Effect, which leads to romance scenes we had in ME2. I mad, or is it master troll?

Your right, these people are a cancer on the video game industry. In their narrow-minded heads "video games" are still a kids only world. Im pushing 30 and seriously fed up with these over-the-top sensitive idiots who cry the second something hints of sex in a video game, cloth or actual romanced sex. F**k em i say, and i hope developers & publishers take that to heart one day.

Might come off as harsh, but its the absolute truth.

You are/will be good father. I just hope this thread will be deleted, so BioWare devs won't even think about what op wrote.

It's damn 2010, not 1970. Shove it down your throat, op. I don't want to live in a world where censure is still in effect.

Jesus christ, the guy just said his son was being obnoxious about Miranda's (excessive, admit it) suit. 

It's a perfectly valid question to ask; Why is her suit so tight that you can see her ******?  The ONLY reason I've come up with is "She dresses that way in order to maximize her sex appeal."  That's perfectly fine; some people just find it in bad taste with how prominently the game displays it.

There's a difference between lack of censorship and "doing it because we can."  People are arguing as to which category Miranda falls into.

Modifié par JeanLuc761, 14 mars 2010 - 03:06 .

[Zhijn]

Kekonek11 wrote...

Zhijn wrote...

Kekonek11 wrote...

OP is cancer killing video gaming. I bet his son watches all the gore movies, but his father QQs over internet about things like these, leading Fox News to create articles about Mass Effect, which leads to romance scenes we had in ME2. I mad, or is it master troll?

Your right, these people are a cancer on the video game industry. In their narrow-minded heads "video games" are still a kids only world. Im pushing 30 and seriously fed up with these over-the-top sensitive idiots who cry the second something hints of sex in a video game, cloth or actual romanced sex. F**k em i say, and i hope developers & publishers take that to heart one day.

Might come off as harsh, but its the absolute truth.

You are/will be good father. I just hope this thread will be deleted, so BioWare devs won't even think about what op wrote.

It's damn 2010, not 1970. Shove it down your throat, op. I don't want to live in a world where censure is still in effect.

Not sure if i should take that "father" comment as a compliment or not.

Either way, 1970-85 was way way less censored then it is today, especially in movies since games hadnt really kicked off around that time. If you think about it, the entertainment industry actually went alittle backwards, except "foreign movies".

Im hoping 2012 will kickstart a new era.

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@JeanLuc761

It goes beyond that when he bring his 13yro kid into the question.
It actually goes directly from miranda cloth to "why sex in games, why the sex appeal".

Modifié par Zhijn, 14 mars 2010 - 03:17 .

[Kekonek11]

Zhijn wrote...

Kekonek11 wrote...

Zhijn wrote...

Kekonek11 wrote...

OP is cancer killing video gaming. I bet his son watches all the gore movies, but his father QQs over internet about things like these, leading Fox News to create articles about Mass Effect, which leads to romance scenes we had in ME2. I mad, or is it master troll?

Your right, these people are a cancer on the video game industry. In their narrow-minded heads "video games" are still a kids only world. Im pushing 30 and seriously fed up with these over-the-top sensitive idiots who cry the second something hints of sex in a video game, cloth or actual romanced sex. F**k em i say, and i hope developers & publishers take that to heart one day.

Might come off as harsh, but its the absolute truth.

You are/will be good father. I just hope this thread will be deleted, so BioWare devs won't even think about what op wrote.

It's damn 2010, not 1970. Shove it down your throat, op. I don't want to live in a world where censure is still in effect.

Not sure if i should take that "father" comment as a compliment or not.

Either way, 1970-85 was way way less censored then it is today, especially in movies since games hadnt really kicked off around that time. If you think about it, the entertainment industry actually went alittle backwards, except "foreign movies".

Im hoping 2012 will kickstart a new era.

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[jtav]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

Jisai wrote...

Either way, Miranda's tight outfits accent not only how she views herself, but also shows her interest in exhibitionism.  *Shrugs* its what all women with good assets do, if your proud of it, show it off.; some just are more tasteful outfits than others.

... mmm, ******... *Purr* 

ITT: I'm a man and I've never been sexually harassed in my life.

A defining trait of Miranda is that she feels uncomfortable with her genetic engineering, that she has everything, but didn't earn it. Her body is included in this.

This is why Miranda's 'sex symbol' status in the game and on these forums troubles me. The camera focuses on her ass multiple times, you can see cameltoe, her loyalty costume has visible panty line, even other characters call her whorish. I have a lot of trouble having a serious conversation with a woman when her ass is half the screen. I like attractive people as much as the next person, but there's a time and a place. Her romance scenes, for example, not an emotional conversation on how she feels like less of a person.

All the focus on her appearance and sex appeal cheapens her character. She doesn't like it. Much like Jack, she wears revealing clothing because she doesn't value herself. She sees herself as a collection of assets, rather than a true person, and dresses/acts to maximize these assets at the cost of herself. I don't understand why people who claim to be such big Miranda fans miss that part.

I agree. I'm a Miranda fan (albeit a straight female one), and her presentation occasionally troubles me. Bioware is trying to have their cake and eat it to, and it creates some unfortunate implications. It's the same issue with Jack. From what I understand, her romance is about telling her that men can value her as person and aren't just after sex. And, at the end, you...have sex with her.

[IoCaster]

The knee jerk reactions in this thread are simply hilarious. The OP must be puritanical or a bad parent or too stupid to understand the complex nature of this character that the writers were trying to convey. Or all of the above.

What some folks seem to not understand is the context. Yes, it's a mature rated title, but a reasonably mature individual wouldn't be titillated by gratuitous t!ts, ass and crotch shots in a video game. That's more suited to the the teen demographic. As a consequence it seems out of place and unnecessary to some people. The devs put that stuff in the game to appeal to a certain subset of gamers and the teen crowd.

Personally, I think it's silly and it cheapens the character to the extent that I can't take Miranda seriously in the role of a combat leader or second in command of the Normandy. Using sex as a weapon is a situational tactic. Strutting around the game world in that stupid outfit is overkill. It's so contrived and transparent that it's borderline offensive to anyone with a room temperature intelligence. Don't even get me started on what I think of the suitability of wearing something like that, with a simple breather mask, on the Collector ship or any other hostile environment.

They really dropped the ball on that and it's not just Miranda. Jack, Samara and Mordin come to mind as some of the other characters that should have been outfitted with armor and helmet as well.

I do realize that it is just a video game and shouldn't be taken too seriously. It's just that, in my opinion, they could have done it better without sacrificing too much.

[JeanLuc761]

IoCaster wrote...

The knee jerk reactions in this thread are simply hilarious. The OP must be puritanical or a bad parent or too stupid to understand the complex nature of this character that the writers were trying to convey. Or all of the above.

What some folks seem to not understand is the context. Yes, it's a mature rated title, but a reasonably mature individual wouldn't be titillated by gratuitous t!ts, ass and crotch shots in a video game. That's more suited to the the teen demographic. As a consequence it seems out of place and unnecessary to some people. The devs put that stuff in the game to appeal to a certain subset of gamers and the teen crowd.

Personally, I think it's silly and it cheapens the character to the extent that I can't take Miranda seriously in the role of a combat leader or second in command of the Normandy. Using sex as a weapon is a situational tactic. Strutting around the game world in that stupid outfit is overkill. It's so contrived and transparent that it's borderline offensive to anyone with a room temperature intelligence. Don't even get me started on what I think of the suitability of wearing something like that, with a simple breather mask, on the Collector ship or any other hostile environment.

They really dropped the ball on that and it's not just Miranda. Jack, Samara and Mordin come to mind as some of the other characters that should have been outfitted with armor and helmet as well.

I do realize that it is just a video game and shouldn't be taken too seriously. It's just that, in my opinion, they could have done it better without sacrificing too much.

THANK YOU.  You summed it up far better than I did.

[Wolverfrog]

Chill out mate, don't treat him like a little child. Does it honestly matter if her suit is tight? It's part of her character.



At his age, the chances are he probably watches things a lot more "exciting" than that over the internet anyway. Let him grow.

[Raphael diSanto]

IoCaster wrote...

The knee jerk reactions in this thread are simply hilarious. The OP must be puritanical or a bad parent or too stupid to understand the complex nature of this character that the writers were trying to convey. Or all of the above.

What some folks seem to not understand is the context. Yes, it's a mature rated title, but a reasonably mature individual wouldn't be titillated by gratuitous t!ts, ass and crotch shots in a video game. That's more suited to the the teen demographic. As a consequence it seems out of place and unnecessary to some people. The devs put that stuff in the game to appeal to a certain subset of gamers and the teen crowd.

Personally, I think it's silly and it cheapens the character to the extent that I can't take Miranda seriously in the role of a combat leader or second in command of the Normandy. Using sex as a weapon is a situational tactic. Strutting around the game world in that stupid outfit is overkill. It's so contrived and transparent that it's borderline offensive to anyone with a room temperature intelligence. Don't even get me started on what I think of the suitability of wearing something like that, with a simple breather mask, on the Collector ship or any other hostile environment.

They really dropped the ball on that and it's not just Miranda. Jack, Samara and Mordin come to mind as some of the other characters that should have been outfitted with armor and helmet as well.

I do realize that it is just a video game and shouldn't be taken too seriously. It's just that, in my opinion, they could have done it better without sacrificing too much.

Realism has never gotten in the way of "being cool" in popular media. Stormtroopers wear armor. Han Solo doesn't. Xena fought in practically nothing. So did Gabrielle and Iolaus. Popular media has never been interested in representing combat with tactically sound armor. War movies that are trying to be historically accurate generally do. Modern-day cop movies, sometimes (but not always) do.

I am in favor of this. I'd prefer my characters to look cool.

That said. Yes, Miri's cameltoe is .. unnecessary. A woman -can- wear a fitted bodysuit without showing cameltoe.