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[spacehamsterZH]

IoCaster wrote...

I do realize that it is just a video game and shouldn't be taken too seriously. It's just that, in my opinion, they could have done it better without sacrificing too much.

I'm not saying I completely disagree with you, but apart from most of the main female cast, I actually thought the female outfits in ME2 were generally less over the top. Remember that dress Emily Wong wore in ME1? That was one of the standard outfits, it looked like everyone was a hooker. At least that's gone now.

I really think it's just Samara's outfit that seems entirely gratuitous, though. Miranda is supposed to be a genetically engineered sex bomb (the question is more why a character like that would be in the game to begin with, but you could ask the same thing about the Asari, and nobody seems to mind them), and Jack has no self respect. Samara is basically a warrior monk type character, so it seems strange that she would dress like that. Except for the fact that, you know, the Asari are basically a race of space sl**s.

Modifié par spacehamsterZH, 14 mars 2010 - 03:54 .

[GenericPlayer2]

As far as I am concerned:



1. OP should have not had his 13 yr old watching a 15+ game

2. Yes, the camera focuses too much on Miranda's ass. Probably because she has a butter face

3. I would support nudity in love scenes - thats where things should be explicit but tasteful - I hate the meaningless tease that comes up in an ordinary conversation.

[IoCaster]

spacehamsterZH wrote...

I'm not saying I completely disagree with you, but apart from most of the main female cast, I actually thought the female outfits in ME2 were generally less over the top. Remember that dress Emily Wong wore in ME1? That was one of the standard outfits, it looked like everyone was a hooker. At least that's gone now.

I really think it's just Samara's outfit that seems entirely gratuitous, though. Miranda is supposed to be a genetically engineered sex bomb (the question is more why a character like that would be in the game to begin with, but you could ask the same thing about the Asari, and nobody seems to mind them), and Jack has no self respect. Samara is basically a warrior monk type character, so it seems strange that she would dress like that. Except for the fact that, you know, the Asari are basically a race of space sl**s.

In the case of Miranda it's the combination of outfit, poses and framing of ass shots that I find gratuitous. It's like the devs assumed that I didn't notice her conspicuous assets the first twenty times she struck a provocative pose. We know it's intentional and it's overkill. 

I absolutely agree with you about Samara and the ridiculous outfit they fitted her Into. I don't find her particularly attractive and the outfit doesn't do her any favors in my eyes. Plus the fact that on my monitor, at least, her skin has a decidedly grayish tinge to it at times. Actually, Morinth is even worse. Ugh!

[Relshar]

I have seen worse in 15 rated manga cartoons to be honest. Full on nudity and sex scenes with lots of killing and blood.

[hawat333]

Valdrane78 wrote...

The camera view got messed up and we got a close up view of Miranda's girly part.  Needless to say my son got all excited by the extra tight suit and I had to send him to his room.

Bioware.....what was the point of making her suit so tight you could see her ******?

Why on Earth did you think there is a "for Mature audiences" sign on the box? Because it interacts with your mouse so you'll feel some blood, mentioning of drugs and alcohol and sexual themes?

I mean, well, I agree, BioWare overrated a bit the importance of sexuality in the game, but hey, you've been warned.

[glitter_guld]

Valdrane78 wrote...

The camera view got messed up and we got a close up view of Miranda's girly part.  Needless to say my son got all excited by the extra tight suit and I had to send him to his room.

Bioware.....what was the point of making her suit so tight you could see her ******?

The game is 18+. You are breaking the law by playing it with your 13yo son. Here in Finland you would have serious legal consequences for that. I suggest you stop complaining and stop playing such games in your family.

[LPPrince]

I'm wondering why you have a 13 year old watching a M for Mature 17+ game.

[JeanLuc761]

glitter_guld wrote...

The game is 18+. You are breaking the law by playing it with your 13yo son. Here in Finland you would have serious legal consequences for that. I suggest you stop complaining and stop playing such games in your family.

Please tell me you're joking

Also, these accusations people keep throwing out, that the OP is a bad parent...seriously, where are people getting off saying that?  If the parent feels the kid is mature enough to handle the content presented (which, in this case, he found out the kid wasn't.  honest mistake) then the age shouldn't matter.  I was able to play and beat Doom 2 when I was four years old because my father showed me the difference between fantasy and reality.

Seriously, disagree with the OP all you want but don't think that gives you the right to call him a bad parent. 

[glitter_guld]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

glitter_guld wrote...

The game is 18+. You are breaking the law by playing it with your 13yo son. Here in Finland you would have serious legal consequences for that. I suggest you stop complaining and stop playing such games in your family.

Please tell me you're joking

Also, these accusations people keep throwing out, that the OP is a bad parent...seriously, where are people getting off saying that?  If the parent feels the kid is mature enough to handle the content presented (which, in this case, he found out the kid wasn't.  honest mistake) then the age shouldn't matter.  I was able to play and beat Doom 2 when I was four years old because my father showed me the difference between fantasy and reality.

Seriously, disagree with the OP all you want but don't think that gives you the right to call him a bad parent. 

As a parent with 2 kids, I normally follow all age markings on videos, games, etc. They are there for a reason. It is just like buying cigarettes and alcohol for underaged, also 18+ or 21+...

[JeanLuc761]

glitter_guld wrote...
As a parent with 2 kids, I normally follow all age markings on videos, games, etc. They are there for a reason. It is just like buying cigarettes and alcohol for underaged, also 18+ or 21+...

I can respect that and I certainly wouldn't call you a bad father for doing so.  However, the OP isn't a bad father because he shared a mature videogame with his son.  It's the parent's responsibility to determine whether or not the kid is mature enough to handle the content being displayed.  The OP simply found out that his son wasn't ready yet, and it's a very honest mistake.

Also, did you really just compare a M-rated videogame to drugs? <_<

[Doozle]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

glitter_guld wrote...

The game is 18+. You are breaking the law by playing it with your 13yo son. Here in Finland you would have serious legal consequences for that. I suggest you stop complaining and stop playing such games in your family.

Please tell me you're joking

Also, these accusations people keep throwing out, that the OP is a bad parent...seriously, where are people getting off saying that?  If the parent feels the kid is mature enough to handle the content presented (which, in this case, he found out the kid wasn't.  honest mistake) then the age shouldn't matter.  I was able to play and beat Doom 2 when I was four years old because my father showed me the difference between fantasy and reality.

Seriously, disagree with the OP all you want but don't think that gives you the right to call him a bad parent. 

I'm not necessarily agreeing with people who say he's a bad parent, but anyone who can play a Mature game in front of a minor and then shift the blame to Bioware when Mature content pops up in a Mature game (purposefully or not), clearly does not understand the reason games are given age rating, It's so you as the buyer and/or parent can make an informed decision as to whether it's appropriate.
And as for the excuse that it is in any way excessive all I can say is that the cover tells you what to expect so expect it, don't expect a big 'WARNING MATURE CONTENT SOON, COVER YOU CHILDREN'S EYES!'

Modifié par Doozle, 14 mars 2010 - 04:42 .

[glitter_guld]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

...

Also, did you really just compare a M-rated videogame to drugs? <_<

I did. That's my POV, though. I honestly think that 18+ games are for adults only and must entertain adults with ... what entertains adults. There is no need to censor, cut, truncate, modify all adult content unless they want to target larger auditorium. Sometimes it reduces the fun.

[Fyk0]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Valdrane78 wrote...

The camera view got messed up and we got a close up view of Miranda's girly part.  Needless to say my son got all excited by the extra tight suit and I had to send him to his room.

Bioware.....what was the point of making her suit so tight you could see her ******?

Wasn't there a "18+" sign on the box cover?

[SimonTheFrog]

I'm no parent myself so it's kinda silly to even try to give advice. But i see something strange going on here: you pick a game with a rather dark and sinister atmosphere (it's a lot about revenge, killing, danger of dying, shooting (obviously), cursing etc.) that has been rated way above the age of your son. This did not occur to you as being inappropriate, right?!

So, as your son watches all this, he also sees an officer in a tight uniform. And he likes what he sees. For me, my first reaction would be: "yes. son, she's a beauty!" I'm not sure what happened to make you decide to ban him to his room. But the sheer appreciation of a well build woman entirely lacks any evil in my eyes. (Funnily enough it's even part of her story... she's designed to look that way by bio-engineers. You could have explained that to your son).

So, what did the son learn out of this little scene? There are images of sexual attractive women all over the media. My daddy watches them in his leasure time but get's angry when i do. Because they are evil. Why does he watches them himself, then? What is evil about them anyway? Sex is evil? I feel attracted, am i evil? etc... bla bla...

There's so many things going wrong here.



So, you decide to complain about the game?

[RyrineaNara]

Calling the dude a bad parent, is kind of dumb I played M ratted games, since I was that age. My parents thought I was ready to handle such things as M ratted material. Hell I watched Halloween when I was 5 years old with my father. That doesn't make him a bad parent, because he thought I was ready to handle it. Heck, I loved the knee jerk reactions about the guy thinking that his son was ready for M ratted material.



Oh by the way it not against the law for a person to play a m ratted game. However, it is against the law for the Kid to buy the game The fact Miranda is used as sexual appeal is just down right stupid she already felt unconformable with herself, and bioware is making her a sex object in the game. It made me pissed off so badly it does lessen the character.

[jojon2se]

I suppose any camera angle complaints are to be directed to Mr.One-moustache-to-rule-them-all, directing the cinematics... :7



Straying slighly from the topic, Mass effect did quite a strange jump between the first installment and the second. While ME1 was always the bombastic, kind of silly, space opera, combat equipment was pretty utilitarian - the armor sets were kind of beliveable: cover-all suits of a flexible self-healing, non-newtonian-fluid sort of material, coming in various thicknesses, growing bulky with effectiveness and with ceramic plates for extra reinforcement/deflection here and there and everybody used them. They seemed mostly practical - even the tight fit might be explained in shock-distributing terms, although they were designed to bring out physical features in quite a ridicolous way. Armor had life support systems of varying capability, with encapsulating helmets going on in the different environments that demanded them. You got a sense of there being a bit of pseudo-sci with the fi.

Then ME2... Well, the words "superhero comic book" sums it up, pretty much - there has been enough talk about plastic mouthpieces, battle stiletto-heels and the strawberry decolletage of ultimate bullet deflection, that I need not add anything... People wonder why we can't throw a new suit of armor at Garrus - well, there you have it: because the damaged one is part of his personality and the very core of ME2 lies in distinct, polar characterisation.

[SimonTheFrog]

RyrineaNara wrote...

Calling the dude a bad parent, is kind of dumb I played M ratted games, since I was that age. My parents thought I was ready to handle such things as M ratted material.  

Indeed. If parents feel that the kid can handle m rated games or other media that doesn't make them dumb. That's not the point at all.
In my eyes the weird part is, that he bans his son to the room as a reaction (totally counter productive) and blames the game for it. 

Apart from that, kids should play in the mud and draw unicorns and rainbows. Let's keep their world happy and optimistic for as long as possible. The **** will hit the fan soon enough... 

[massive_effect]

I always wonder about men that complain about women being depicted as beautiful.

[glitter_guld]

RyrineaNara wrote...

Calling the dude a bad parent, is kind of dumb I played M ratted games, since I was that age. My parents thought I was ready to handle such things as M ratted material. Hell I watched Halloween when I was 5 years old with my father. That doesn't make him a bad parent, because he thought I was ready to handle it. Heck, I loved the knee jerk reactions about the guy thinking that his son was ready for M ratted material.

Oh by the way it not against the law for a person to play a m ratted game. However, it is against the law for the Kid to buy the game The fact Miranda is used as sexual appeal is just down right stupid she already felt unconformable with herself, and bioware is making her a sex object in the game. It made me pissed off so badly it does lessen the character.

I like it when some people go around calling other people dumb, because we actually aware what we buy and what we do. Honestly, you are very clever, I assume, so it is legal to use the 18+ content, but not legal to buy it. All you need to do is to ask a dude next to you to buy you a pack of cigarettes, a bottle, a porn magazine or a M-rated game, and you are clean... Very clever....

[Unit-Alpha]

@ OP: Get over it. Playing M rated games with a 13 years old in the room is not Bioware's fault; it's yours. If I'm playing Fallout 3, I keep my 10 year old sister out to prevent her from seeing the exploding body parts and you should do the same with ME.

[mybudgee]

I am still amazed the 13 yo is NOT a father &/or pimp. Kids these days are innocent for about a month after the 4th-5th grade sex ed class.

[Lycidas]

I'm not really sure if this is supposed to make my laugh or cry. So you have got no porblem showing your 13 year old how you shoot your enemies but a women in tight closes (not even naked) is a problem? Dude thats something he can see every day on the street. At this age an average boy has seen way more than that.

This tread is just strange.

[Goat_Shepard]

Liara didn't need the camera angles and bend-over scenes that Miranda had to still be appealing. Of course, then people say stuff like "she acts like a 12 yr old boy" or "she's boring". Then they have Miranda and she's the biggest tramp etc. Everyone will complain.

That being said, there is definitely some animated lips on Miranda (f you know what I mean), and if she was my girlfriend I'd be looking at everyone's eyes seeing that they weren't checking her out, etc. It's too much, I'll go out and say it, her huge ass and vagina distract me from what she's saying. There I said it

[Sina84]

I love how people are all worried over what a 13 year old would be exposed to in ME2, when in reality there's probably not much any 13 year old hasn't seen in this day and age thanks to the internet. You probably couldn't even imagine the downright disturbing **** your delicate little flower son and his friends giggle over every day.

[DMC12]

13 isn't as young as it used to be, but I understand the father sending the kid up to his room. My dad took a more lazy approach when it came trying to shield me from explicit images on TV by attempting to cover my eyes with his hand (which I would do my best to avoid). When your kid is 13, you don't have much time left to shape them like you could before, in fact you might have already run out of time with the way the times are today. Hell, I was smoking cigarettes at 15 and getting drunk at 16. It didn't mean my parents were bad, I was just a bad kid actively looking for trouble. Good times.