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Good point about the voice actors. That's an investment that Bioware probably wants to keep.

[jtav]

I firmly believe Miranda will be back in a sizable (not necessarily recruitable) role or she won't be back. It would cost too much to bring Strahovski back for a five minute cameo.

Modifié par jtav, 20 mars 2010 - 06:53 .

[Collider]

Considering how Miranda is the most likely to survive in ME2 and the most important squad mate, I highly doubt she's not going to return. As for in a big way - the only thing we know for certain is that she cannot be vital to the plot along with other squad mates who could potentially die.

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JohnnyDollar wrote...
Just those two?

Not just Tali or Legion. I'm sure other squad mates can fit in and affect the storyline as well, like Miranda or Jacob for Cerberus/Alliance plots.

[LxLegend]

So many threads about this topic. I seriously believe that some people who post on these forums need to read more comics.

BW can bring back all ME2's of crew if they want too.

They can:

Make your suicide mission with dead squadmates a dream sequence in ME3 which Shep wakes from only to realize that everyone made it through the mission in one piece.

Make your suicide mission with dead squadmates a dream sequence before the mission then make you replay the mission in ME3 with it setup so that no one can die.

Claim to found tech from beyond the Omega 4 relay that will allow Cerberus to revive the dead crew, even if you blew up the base because there were hundreds of ancient ships floating there with alien tech.

Seeing as most of those methods would feel very disingenuous but if BW wants to bring your squad back they can and without making hours of unneeded or under used dialogue.

So saying that they can't bring everyone back is wrong they can and probably will the real question is how.

Modifié par LxLegend, 22 mars 2010 - 01:38 .

[Collider]

...or they could just have squad mates return depending on whether they survived or not.

[McMaze]

Yeah they will return ... as cameos.

Modifié par McMaze, 22 mars 2010 - 01:34 .

[LxLegend]

McMaze wrote...

Yeah they will return ... as cameos.

No I doubt that during that GDC presentation one the points talked about was keeping the same squad.

Also, if the writers really wanted to premanently kill a character to elicit a player response we all know who they would kill.

It would be Tali and we all know why.  Really the taliban should be hoping the writers don't decide to watch a BSG marathon before going into work on ME3.

Modifié par LxLegend, 22 mars 2010 - 01:52 .

[Sky Shadowing]

Fact of the matter remains that too much of Mass Effect 2 was about
recruiting the "greatest team alive". I'll try and break down every
person by likelyhood of returning:

1. Tali- Pretty much guaranteed to
return, assuming she survived the suicide mission. If she's alive,
she's possibly exiled. If she's not exiled, she's Loyal to Shepard,
meaning she won't go running off away from him. She's also a Love
Interest, meaning she has a part to play in ME3, assuming she survived-
you don't just write off something like that (which we have already had
pretty solid indications that love interests from both games will play
their parts)
2. Garrus- Love Interest, meaning has a part to play.
Loyal to Shepard. Pretty much guaranteed to return, assuming he
survived.
3. Miranda- Being how ridiculously hard Bioware made it to
kill her off, I'd say she's likely to play a part in ME3, both as a Love
Interest and as your XO.
4. Jacob- Probably the one least likely to
return, apart from the fact that he's a Love Interest. Not very popular.
5.
Mordin- I honestly foresee the lovable doctor becoming a Cameo rather
than a squadmate. Become a member of the crew who can't go on missions,
but is still there helping with research and stuff.
6. Jack- Love
Interest, other than that no special features.
7. Samara- I can
foresee her leaving.
8. Grunt- Need more data. Up in the air.
9.
Thane- They gave him an out (death), but he's a Love Interest, so they
won't just kill him off randomly if he is one.
10. Legion- I can
foresee the Geth becoming a cameo role, but his popularity and Bioware's
actual record of listening to their fans gives him and advantage.
11.
DLC Characters- No way. Possible cameos, but not squadmates, given the
fact that not only can they die, but they may not even "exist".
ME1
Squadmates-
1. Ashley/Kaidan- Love Interest, the one who did not die
guaranteed to return in at least a form. Kept alive so they can play a
part, better play it well, damnit!
2. Wrex- Possibly dead (canon
dead). Cannot foresee as returning- too embroiled in Krogan politics.
3.
Liara- Love Interest, only character guaranteed to survive to ME3
(based on current data). Guaranteed to play a part.

My predictions-

Squadmate
1- Primary Love Interest- Early in the game the player will be forced
to choose between their ME1 and ME2 love interests. The one they do not
choose will feel betrayed and will actually become a major ANTAGONIST in
the game.

Squadmate 2- Tali (if survived and does not fall into
above, and is loyal at the end of ME2).

Squadmate 3- Garrus (if
survived and does not fall into 1, and is loyal at the end of ME2).

Squadmate
4- Legion (in a possible new form)- Possibly his consciousnesses are
transferred into a new body to "balance" the party (for example, if
number 1 is my Ashley/Tali conflict and you choose Tali, thus negating
yourself of a "soldier" character, Legion will become an Armature to
balance the party, as Tali would be the "hacker" character). Naturally,
if loyal and alive.

The remaining squadmates will be filled by other
characters from the previous games, or if there aren't enough survivors,
new characters. Possibly new characters.

If I HAD to make a
projection on which characters are more likely to return, the remaining
Love Interests would fill out the roles, not least because they are
already virtually guaranteed to have returning VAs, thus making there
need to be less VAs.

Modifié par Sky Shadowing, 22 mars 2010 - 03:13 .

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Sky Shadowing wrote...
Mordin- I honestly foresee the lovable doctor becoming a Cameo rather
than a squadmate. Become a member of the crew who can't go on missions,
but is still there helping with research and stuff.

That's not really a cameo by definition. A cameo is something brief, but if you have Mordin on the ship the entire time it's not really brief. I'd love for Mordin to return as an NPC or squad mate.

Squadmate
1- Primary Love Interest- Early in the game the player will be forced
to choose between their ME1 and ME2 love interests. The one they do not
choose will feel betrayed and will actually become a major ANTAGONIST in
the game.

Major antagonist? I think you're putting too much emphasis on the romances. The romances are small subplots, and what if you didn't romance anyone?

[Sky Shadowing]

Collider wrote...
That's not really a cameo by definition. A cameo is something brief, but if you have Mordin on the ship the entire time it's not really brief. I'd love for Mordin to return as an NPC or squad mate.

Sorry. But yeah, a side character. Could just as easily be filled by somebody else, but if he's there, he's there.

Major antagonist? I think you're putting too much emphasis on the romances. The romances are small subplots, and what if you didn't romance anyone?

All I know is Bioware's said that having two Love Interests will have "consequences" in the third game. Maybe I'm reading into it too much (or hoping for too much), but it'd be a really well written and believable plot device. Hell hath no fury like a spurned LI's scorn.

[Collider]

I got the impression of that what they meant was some sort of romance confrontation where you choose one LI or the other. Or one/both LI are hurt and may leave you.

[Flamewielder]

LxLegend wrote...

No I doubt that during that GDC presentation one the points talked about was keeping the same squad.

Also, if the writers really wanted to premanently kill a character to elicit a player response we all know who they would kill.

It would be Tali and we all know why.  Really the taliban should be hoping the writers don't decide to watch a BSG marathon before going into work on ME3.

Can you provide a link to that GDC presentation? I'm interested...

[Sky Shadowing]

Collider wrote...

I got the impression of that what they meant was some sort of romance confrontation where you choose one LI or the other. Or one/both LI are hurt and may leave you.

Wouldn't surprise me, but I'm hoping Bioware goes all out on making you pay for past decisions. Betrayal is such an emotional-driven plot device, it would add to the characters. I just want actual consequences that affect me for the rest of the game, not merely writing-off one squadmate.

The only other outcome that would be as awesome would be having both Love Interests on your squad, and having them... compete for your affections?

[Flamewielder]

I'm rather of the opinion that most ME1-ME2 characters will be returning as crewmembers rather than squadmembers, because the trapdoors (to use Michael Strazinski's expression) are easier to arrange while still providing a satisfying amount of character interaction.

That doesn't mean I'm not hoping to get them all back, as I wouldn't have bothered bringing all of them back from the suicide mission if I didn't.

Whatever the ending of ME3 is, it has to feel satisfying to any type of Shepard, be it paragon/renegade. If you bothered keeping everyone alive, you'll want to see them all play some kind of role in ME3. The part may be small, but will need to feel "right" for most players who cared about that particular character.

We know the end product will fall short. There's no such thing as "a perfect game". You cannot please everyone. But you can make it a good try and I think the ME team knows it.

I won't bore you with yet another listing of who's most likely to come back.

[LxLegend]

Flamewielder wrote...

LxLegend wrote...

No I doubt that during that GDC presentation one the points talked about was keeping the same squad.

Also, if the writers really wanted to premanently kill a character to elicit a player response we all know who they would kill.

It would be Tali and we all know why.  Really the taliban should be hoping the writers don't decide to watch a BSG marathon before going into work on ME3.

Can you provide a link to that GDC presentation? I'm interested...

[link]http://prezi.com/6xe1ucvy8egf/where-did-my-inventory-go/[/link]

Also before I didn't mean that Tali won't be in ME3 I meant that if they wanted to kill off a character in ME3 it would be Tali.

[Collider]

LxLegend wrote...
Also before I didn't mean that Tali won't be in ME3 I meant that if they wanted to kill off a character in ME3 it would be Tali.

Right, because Thane isn't dying. And Zaeed and Kasumi aren't DLC characters.

[LxLegend]

Collider wrote...

LxLegend wrote...
Also before I didn't mean that Tali won't be in ME3 I meant that if they wanted to kill off a character in ME3 it would be Tali.

Right, because Thane isn't dying. And Zaeed and Kasumi aren't DLC characters.

Yes, but if you want a player response the best person to kill is Tali.  Just be glad Ronald D. Moore isn't lead writer or there would be a body bag with Tali's name on it.  

[Collider]

LxLegend wrote...

Collider wrote...

LxLegend wrote...
Also before I didn't mean that Tali won't be in ME3 I meant that if they wanted to kill off a character in ME3 it would be Tali.

Right, because Thane isn't dying. And Zaeed and Kasumi aren't DLC characters.

Yes, but if you want a player response the best person to kill is Tali.  Just be glad Ronald D. Moore isn't lead writer or there would be a body bag with Tali's name on it.  

Ohreally? I'm under the impression that Liara and Miranda are more popular as romance interests than Tali.

[LxLegend]

Collider wrote...

Ohreally? I'm under the impression that Liara and Miranda are more popular as romance interests than Tali.

They don't have a 3000 page thread just about them though.

[Lalandrathon]

They won't kill off important characters. They're playing to the crowd. And this is a Big Damn Heroes game, not a grim and gritty one. The second installment is supposed to be the darker one according to narrative conventions, and though it was you can play so that nobody dies.

[LxLegend]

Lalandrathon wrote...

They won't kill off important characters. They're playing to the crowd. And this is a Big Damn Heroes game, not a grim and gritty one. The second installment is supposed to be the darker one according to narrative conventions, and though it was you can play so that nobody dies.

They kill one human squadmates in ME1 and I would say they are just as important if not more so than Tali. 

Seriously if BW just jokingly put out a fake leaked CGI cutscene with Tali dying it could generate more press and attention than announcing that the clothes dlc will be free instead of $2.00 it's currently going to cost.

[Collider]

Sky Shadowing wrote...

Collider wrote...

I got the impression of that what they meant was some sort of romance confrontation where you choose one LI or the other. Or one/both LI are hurt and may leave you.

Wouldn't surprise me, but I'm hoping Bioware goes all out on making you pay for past decisions. Betrayal is such an emotional-driven plot device, it would add to the characters. I just want actual consequences that affect me for the rest of the game, not merely writing-off one squadmate.

I don't think betrayal necessarily adds to a character. It can, but sometimes it can seem to left field as if the writers bastardized the character.

[Peppard]

My guess is that the "consequences" for "moving on" won't be central to the plot, but starting ME3 with an ME2 LI will likely just affect your ability to romance the ME1 LI.



Far as the squad returning, not only has BW said they'd like to do that, they actually have demonstrated the modular game design necessary to do it. Think about how your squadies in ME2 work--some of them could be missing the entire game and the main storyline still goes along fine. You don't have to even activate Legion or Grunt, and I'm sure many people never recruit Morinth or bother to download Zaeed (and soon Kasumi). Yet for those who do, those characters seem far more developed than a "cameo" role. You may have wanted more dialog and interaction, of course, but that's a different topic. Point is, they hired voice acting and designed combat/character look and all of that for characters that they knew some players might not see.



I'm fairly sure too, there'll be some new characters as part of the "fun" of these games is discovery, and some new characters could help with the main-storyline elements (though EDI, and Joker can carry a lot of exposition that can't be handed off to potentially MIA squadmates).



So anyway, let's just hope that BW decides to carry the squad through in a meaningful way.

[Collider]

Very good point, and I agree. Let's carry the fan favorites in a meaningful way. For most people, that includes as squad mates.