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Characters from ME1 and ME2 should and CAN return in ME3


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Bioware said themselves that they wanted Ashley Kaidan and Liara to survive through ME2 so they can have large roles in ME3. That leads me to suspect that they will indeed be squad mates.


I hope I can tell Kaiden to go **** himself.

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I'm sure there will be some renegade options...

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I definitely want some new squadmates in ME3; but at the same time there are definitely crew members I wouldn't trade in for anyone.



ME2 is actually a great illustration. Some of the new characters I really loved (Mordin, Miranda, and Samara) and some of them I found to be dull (Jacob) or outright annoying (Jack). However; there is no denying that Garrus and Tali were two of my favorites and I would love to see them back on the squad for ME3.



For ME3, I'd like to have...



#1: Wrex: (Wrex is my boy. How can't you love a badass space lizard with a heart of gold?)

#2: Liara: (I've got a thing for cute, nerdy chicks. Please, give me ME1 Liara though.)

#3: Mordin: (Great character, hilarious and ethically nuanced at once.)

#4: Garrus: (They did a great job developing his character in ME2.)

#5: Miranda: (She's intriguing and has a lot of potential for development, plus she's uber hot.)

#6: Tali: (Great development in ME2, she has a lot of potential story wise.)

#7: Samara: (Honorable, intriguing and uniquely alluring.)



Match up those 7 with 7 new characters and I'd be very pleased. Realistically though, Wrex has an important role on Tuschanka and his being dead by default (unless you import an ME1 save where he lives) in ME2 worries me, so I doubt he'll make the squad in ME3 and I'm also a little skeptical that Samara will make it back. Regardless, I'd like to see about a 50/50 mix of new and old characters in ME3.



And please for the love of God don't bring Jack back, I have seriously taken enough **** off that ****.

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Considering Miranda is the hardest squad mate to perish in the suicide mission, seems a definite she's returning as a squad mate in ME3.

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Slidell505 wrote...

Collider wrote...
Bioware said themselves that they wanted Ashley Kaidan and Liara to survive through ME2 so they can have large roles in ME3. That leads me to suspect that they will indeed be squad mates.


I hope I can tell Kaiden to go **** himself.


I think (and hope) Liara will make the squad in ME3; but since Ashley and Kaiden are mutually exclusive I doubt either one will play more than a cameo part in ME3 even though that cameo might be pretty significant.

Regardless, I agree with Slidell after the **** they said on Horizon both Ashley and Kaiden are dead to me.  In my case Kaiden died on Virmire and Ash turned into Fredo from Godfather 2 the minute she called me a traitor on Horizon.   I hope Ash makes a cameo in ME3 just so I can tell her to rot in hell.

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A cameo by definition can't be something significant. Seems to me that Bioware made it clear that Ashley Kaidan and Liara are going to return in a large role including as squad mates. Miranda seems the best bet for ME3 seeing as how she's the most likely to survive or the hardest to die during the suicide mission.

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Collider wrote...

Considering Miranda is the hardest squad mate to perish in the suicide mission, seems a definite she's returning as a squad mate in ME3.


Yeah, I'm not even sure if there are any endings where she dies if Shepard doesn't bite the big one too?

I think she and Liara; both have a really strong chance of returning, since they are both potential love interests and they are both have almost certainly alive at the end of ME2.   Since I really like both characters thats fine by me, although I'm not looking forward to ending my relationship with one of them. Given their biotics I think the ensuing catfight might destroy the Normandy (again).

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Collider wrote...

A cameo by definition can't be something significant. Seems to me that Bioware made it clear that Ashley Kaidan and Liara are going to return in a large role including as squad mates. Miranda seems the best bet for ME3 seeing as how she's the most likely to survive or the hardest to die during the suicide mission.


True, my wording was poor.  By "cameo",  I simply meant a role where they aren't a member of your crew.   Personally that doesn't bother me, I always thought Ashley and Kaiden were the weakest characters in ME1, particularly Kaiden.

As for Bioware making anything clear, after the announcement of Liara starring in the Redemption comic,  I was damn near certain she was going to be a squadmate in ME2.   That didn't pan out.

Modifié par implodinggoat, 15 mars 2010 - 05:13 .


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Am I the only one who suspects that Bioware feels compelled to write new characters because their story team is composed of highly creative people?

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You're right, and they probably will listen to fans.  I still can't believe the hue and cry regarding not having each and every character back from ME1.  From a storytelling sense, I thought Bioware did a good job of explaining each character's absence away.  I'm not sure how workable a decision that is for ME3, though.  If I had to guess, here's what Bioware would do. 

You will recruit a core group as your "through the game" team.  This will be mostly new characters, with a few returning characters (Garrus most obviously). 

Some characters will be a part of your crew, but not a part of your ground team.  Mordin might be your full-time researcher, if he lived.  Liara would be on your crew, but as an information analyst.  Ashley/Kaidan show up as your XO.  Etc. etc.  This way, they're "on the crew" but Bioware isn't wedded to having to write for them in every non-ship scene.

I suspect that, in order to honor the large cast, you'll also (a la Kingdom Hearts) situationally play with certain characters: teaming up with Wrex and Grunt on a Krogan reunification mission, Tali and Legion on a mission to the Quarian homeworld, Jacob and Miranda on a Cerberus-related mission, Zaeed on a Blue Suns mission.  That way, you can play at least part of the game with the characters you want, if not the whole.

Finally, what they definitely will do is give you the option of recruiting any of your old teammates for the final set of missions, provided they are still around and not otherwise committed (like Wrex leading the krogan  or Zaeed leading the Blue Suns, and even then it might be negotiable).  By doing so, they answer what would have been the biggest complaint: "I wanted 'x' on my final mission!"

I wouldn't mind if they did it that way.  My only request, as it were, was that they made it possible to have something of an ongoing dialogue with all of your old playable characters, talking about the evolving situation, and squaring away some personal business, etc. 

Another advantage to doing the game this way is that it makes the game feel more epic: these other characters are your agents/teammates, out there organizing on behalf of your mission.  When you land into the middle of whatever lynchpin moment they find themselves in, it's like your management flying in to seal the deal.  They give you the report, and then you close things out together. 

Modifié par phimseto, 15 mars 2010 - 05:41 .


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New characters for ME3 please, Bioware.



I hated how Garrus and Tali had so little dialogues.



Please, don't bring too much squadmates from ME1 and ME2 and put more dialogues for them.

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phimseto wrote...

You're right, and they probably will listen to fans.  I still can't believe the hue and cry regarding not having each and every character back from ME1.  From a storytelling sense, I thought Bioware did a good job of explaining each character's absence away.  I'm not sure how workable a decision that is for ME3, though.  If I had to guess, here's what Bioware would do. 

You will recruit a core group as your "through the game" team.  This will be mostly new characters, with a few returning characters (Garrus most obviously). 

Some characters will be a part of your crew, but not a part of your ground team.  Mordin might be your full-time researcher, if he lived.  Liara would be on your crew, but as an information analyst.  Ashley/Kaidan show up as your XO.  Etc. etc.  This way, they're "on the crew" but Bioware isn't wedded to having to write for them in every non-ship scene.

I suspect that, in order to honor the large cast, you'll also (a la Kingdom Hearts) situationally play with certain characters: teaming up with Wrex and Grunt on a Krogan reunification mission, Tali and Legion on a mission to the Quarian homeworld, Jacob and Miranda on a Cerberus-related mission, Zaeed on a Blue Suns mission.  That way, you can play at least part of the game with the characters you want, if not the whole.

Finally, what they definitely will do is give you the option of recruiting any of your old teammates for the final set of missions, provided they are still around and not otherwise committed (like Wrex leading the krogan  or Zaeed leading the Blue Suns, and even then it might be negotiable).  By doing so, they answer what would have been the biggest complaint: "I wanted 'x' on my final mission!"

I wouldn't mind if they did it that way.  My only request, as it were, was that they made it possible to have something of an ongoing dialogue with all of your old playable characters, talking about the evolving situation, and squaring away some personal business, etc. 

Another advantage to doing the game this way is that it makes the game feel more epic: these other characters are your agents/teammates, out there organizing on behalf of your mission.  When you land into the middle of whatever lynchpin moment they find themselves in, it's like your management flying in to seal the deal.  They give you the report, and then you close things out together. 


A:  Adding any former squad member to my crew and not making them available as a member of my squad is a cheap out.  Besides if they were an effective squad member in a prior game why would they suddenly be incapable of fighting for you in ME3?

B:  I know I'm probably not getting Wrex back and I can deal with that; but I'll be pissed if Liara isn't on my squad and back to her charming self from ME1.   Bioware already pissed me off with what they did with her in ME2, if they make her my information analyst and not a full fledged squad member in ME3, I'll be irrate. 

C:  Ashely (or Kaiden) is not going to be my XO, that **** is dead to me and it will be a cold day in hell when I let her back on my ship.

C:  If they tailor missions for certain characters then half the game could be unplayable if you got a lot of people killed.

D:  If your squad members are just popping in for a while before going their own way, then you'll have a hard time forming any sort of attachement to them. That's why  I don't like squad members (like Legion) who just pop in for the end of the game.

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The guys and ladies from Bioware are famous for those acts. They ALWAYS listen to their fans. I mean, nobody's perfect, but what they gave us with Dragon Age Origins and Mass Effect..... was a blessing for everyone.



I hope they will give us our Mass Effect 3 AND take MANY of our ideas in the Wishlist thread in. As for me.. I hope that ME 3 will be a HUUUUUGE game! It should have 6-8 disks so I can play a long and nice storyline.

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Collider wrote...

Considering Miranda is the hardest squad mate to perish in the suicide mission, seems a definite she's returning as a squad mate in ME3.


She was the only squadmate that died on my first playthrough. So... no.

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Agree with topic title.

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Dethateer wrote...

Collider wrote...

Considering Miranda is the hardest squad mate to perish in the suicide mission, seems a definite she's returning as a squad mate in ME3.


She was the only squadmate that died on my first playthrough. So... no.

Lol, provided that she survived :/

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I can understand people like Mordin being crew members, but Ashley and Kaidan and first and foremost soldiers.

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Bring them back...ME3 is the end of the story...please don't waste any time or space developing new characters when there are roughly 15 developed squad mates... and if you were unfortunate (read dumb enough) to get most of them killed then you should be punished with a whole crew of cookie cutter people like Jenkins.

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Ibanez2009 wrote...

The guys and ladies from Bioware are famous for those acts. They ALWAYS listen to their fans. I mean, nobody's perfect, but what they gave us with Dragon Age Origins and Mass Effect..... was a blessing for everyone.

I hope they will give us our Mass Effect 3 AND take MANY of our ideas in the Wishlist thread in. As for me.. I hope that ME 3 will be a HUUUUUGE game! It should have 6-8 disks so I can play a long and nice storyline.


Amen Brother

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Orange Face wrote...

Bring them back...ME3 is the end of the story...please don't waste any time or space developing new characters when there are roughly 15 developed squad mates... and if you were unfortunate (read dumb enough) to get most of them killed then you should be punished with a whole crew of cookie cutter people like Jenkins.

This is a good point. The existing characters are developed - there is no need to create new backstories for them. so i'd wager that creating new characters would be even more work than using existing squad mates that the writers are already familiar with.

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some more Zaeed please

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FutureBoy81 wrote...

some more Zaeed please


I doubt Zaeeds even going to be in as a cameo. I'm 99% sure he's not going to be a squad member since he's DLC and can die.

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Collider wrote...

I have seen a few threads where people have claimed that it is unlikely or nearly impossible for all squad mates to return, either because of the number of squad mates and/or the possbility that most of them could be dead.

Not only is it not impossible, it's not such a daunting task as some people would make it. Mass Effect 1 & 2 required monumental effort and talent to begin with; Bioware is fully capable of having fan favorites return as squad mates or at the very least more than cameos.

As we've learned from Lead Gameplay Designer Christina Norman's comments on how fans reacted to Mass Effect 2, Bioware listens to its fans. And what do the fans want? I'll let these polls speak for themselves.
social.bioware.com/892908/polls/2652/
social.bioware.com/892908/polls/1974/

I'll gladly answer any questions about my position on squad mates returning. Would like to hear your feedback on the subject.
If your response has spoilers, please post it in the spoiler allowed version of my thread: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/105/index/1715314



I am under the impression that ME3 will roll over directly from ME2. Starting at level 30 and moving on into level 31 thru 60. They made the suicide mission so easy that everyone surviving is practically cannon. Although to encourage ME2 play they may kill a few off for those who didn't play it. I figure whoever didn't die on your save will carry over depending on the time gap between the two games.

Anything other than this pretty much makes ME2 a waste of time. 90% of the content being for nothing. The story was getting to know people. To just dump them just doesn't seem right.

Modifié par Darkhour, 20 mars 2010 - 02:10 .


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All I need is Tali.

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Darkhour wrote...
I am under the impression that ME3 will roll over directly from ME2. Starting at level 30 and moving on into level 31 thru 60.

How do you figure? That wasn't the case in ME2. True, Shepard was under a unique situation...but since they seem to want to revamp gameplay in ME3 or at least RPG features, I see them as resetting Shepard again.

Anything other than this pretty much makes ME2 a waste of time. 90% of the content being for nothing. The story was getting to know people. To just dump them just doesn't seem right.

I agree! They have so much content already set up, they shouldn't throw it away.