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[Lougi]

Collider wrote...

Orange Face wrote...

Bring them back...ME3 is the end of the story...please don't waste any time or space developing new characters when there are roughly 15 developed squad mates... and if you were unfortunate (read dumb enough) to get most of them killed then you should be punished with a whole crew of cookie cutter people like Jenkins.

This is a good point. The existing characters are developed - there is no need to create new backstories for them. so i'd wager that creating new characters would be even more work than using existing squad mates that the writers are already familiar with.

This. Give me Tali, Garrus, and Liara (Back to her old self. Cold, distant Liara? Do. Not. Want.)at least. Keep the squad introduced in ME2. It would really be a stretch to get me to care about characters shoehorned in for the finale.

This is the end of the story. End it with those that it began with. I don't want a whole new squad besides me when the credits roll.

[Mimaiselphenai]

Wrex better show up with a well disciplined elite Krogan army, too.

[Collider]

Seems likely.

[theriddlen]

ME3: Harvesters destroy Normandy SR-2, Shep dies, Terra Firma ressurects him in two years, build Normandy SR-3, Tali is info broker on flotilla, garrus loses second part of his face, grunt kills wrex and leads urdnot clan.

[Darkhour]

Collider wrote...

Darkhour wrote...
I am under the impression that ME3 will roll over directly from ME2. Starting at level 30 and moving on into level 31 thru 60.

How do you figure? That wasn't the case in ME2. True, Shepard was under a unique situation...but since they seem to want to revamp gameplay in ME3 or at least RPG features, I see them as resetting Shepard again.

Anything other than this pretty much makes ME2 a waste of time. 90% of the content being for nothing. The story was getting to know people. To just dump them just doesn't seem right.

I agree! They have so much content already set up, they shouldn't throw it away.

Before the game came out they said that ME3 will carry on where your ME2 save left off. You and your squad will receive a new level cap and get new abilities in addition to the previous ones. Originally they weren't going to have NG+ for this reason (also the reason for the easily attainable level 30 cap). It was was just supposed to be after credits continuation for DLC, but the fans whined and cried so they found a way to crame it in (albeit in a way that made NG+ harder (hehe, suck it cry babies!!!)). That's why any post Collector base save can be imported/used for NG+. DLC content will directly flow into (i.e further set up) the ME3 story.

I can see a few new characters. Thane may be dead from his disease, Mordin may be dead from old age, Tali may be an Admiral, Samara gone if you are renegade. I get the feeling that Liara may not be reutrning as a squadmate and honestly I don't see room for Ashley or Kaidan. I'd rather bring Zaeed or Grunt over Ashley any day or Miranda over Kaidan. With Jack and Samara do I need another biotic in Liara? I think the special role that Liara plays is more like the Illusive man's role... with benefits. Not sure about Kaidan/Ashley. They don't seem to be positioned for greatness.

I'm hopping legion comes back an a Geth Prime platform. At least a destroyer. It would even be cool if he could switch mobile platforms like organics switch armor. Geth Prime as a tank/tech support, destoryer as a melee/shotgun, hopper (where the hell were the hoppers in ME2?), as a... OK, not as a hopper - and the regular unit for his current infiltrator-ish setup. 

[Kirabi]

I will put this way,Kaiden and Wrex are dead in my game,I save most of my crew in ME2 but if read correctly in the final mission you can lose all but one in it.So we will pretend i did that that just leaves

Liara,Ashely and Miranda for me to play with ME3.



ME3 will probably have all characters in the game so far and probably some new ones.

[Darkhour]

Kirabi wrote...

I will put this way,Kaiden and Wrex are dead in my game,I save most of my crew in ME2 but if read correctly in the final mission you can lose all but one in it.So we will pretend i did that that just leaves
Liara,Ashely and Miranda for me to play with ME3.

ME3 will probably have all characters in the game so far and probably some new ones.

With no ship upgrades and only 1 loyalty you can get (you need at least 1 loyal so that shepard doesn't die, I think) 3 people killed on the ship during the space battle, 1 person killed at the first stop, 1 as escort, 1 to swarms and 1 to a stray bullet. Not sure how the line works. I've never had anyone die holding the line and believe me I've tried. No matter who I bring to the final battle or leave behind everyone lives even the infamous Mordin. I've heard it has something to do with how long you spend on the boss, but it may have to do with losing Miranda/Jack or Legion/Tali loyalty or not having enough upgrades. I'm a completionist so I don't know. I always have everybody loyal. Also, I'm not sure if people will necessarily die as much if 3 are killed of before you even get to the base. Worst case scenario, out of 10-12 people 6 to 7 can die.

Considering the effort or intentional lack of effort necessary to get anyone killed I don't think the "they can die" rationale between ME1 and 2 characters will fly in ME3. If you are gimped in any way it's your own fault. You intentional brought it on yourself.  

[Gorn Kregore]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

No they shouldnt return.

Not only because of the amount of money and effort involved needed to do them well, but also it needs to be done now to actually make good on the claim that certain squadmates were "saved".

The ME2 squad sucked. Bioware couldnt even manage a 10 squad minimum without letting it ruin character development. How on earth could they manage a near 15+ optional squad?

No, ME3 needs to sideline most of the ME2 squad, bring back a few old faces, add a few new ones, and try and repeat ME1s squad situation, not ME2s.

Something is seriously wrong when, in a game where "squadmates are the focus of focus of the game" (an incorrect statement - combat is the focus of ME2) half of the friggin squad wont talk to you because you wont/cant romance them.

Translation: my me1 love interest isn't in me2 so i hate me2 its worst game so im gonna hop on the "i hate me2" bandwagon

[Collider]

Darkhour wrote...
Considering the effort or intentional lack of effort necessary to get anyone killed I don't think the "they can die" rationale between ME1 and 2 characters will fly in ME3. If you are gimped in any way it's your own fault. You intentional brought it on yourself.  

Yea. Not to mention it's very easy to reload if you didn't get everything quite right. If I recall, even after the credits roll, there is an option in the load screen to redo the suicide mission. People seem likely to replay the game anyway, so I would imagine that they would have a save where everyone survived or different saves with different people surviving.

[Kirabi]

Darkhour wrote...


Considering the effort or intentional lack of effort necessary to get anyone killed I don't think the "they can die" rationale between ME1 and 2 characters will fly in ME3. If you are gimped in any way it's your own fault. You intentional brought it on yourself.  

My point is they will have to cover those characters some how in the game.Plus Ashley/Kaidan,Liara,Wrex are important to story in ME3.No doubt in my mind those characters will back as playable

[Collider]

I don't see why it would be difficult to "cover those characters some how in the game." Bioware have to cover the new characters some how in the game too. And new characters seem to take more resources and time out of Bioware considering they need new everything. The most important thing is that the characters in the suicide mission returning in ME3 can't be absolutely vital to the plot, but it doesn't mean they can't help it.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Gorn Kregore wrote...

Translation: my me1 love interest isn't in me2 so i hate me2 its worst game so im gonna hop on the "i hate me2" bandwagon

Translation: I cant accept that ME2 sucks in far too many areas for a supposed "improvement", so Ill lick its butt like a fanboy in denial.

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 20 mars 2010 - 04:00 .

[Collider]

Are you two going to go back and forth? If so:

[CatatonicMan]

Mimaiselphenai wrote...

All I need is Tali.

Damn straight.

[Kirabi]

Collider wrote...

I don't see why it would be difficult to "cover those characters some how in the game." Bioware have to cover the new characters some how in the game too. And new characters seem to take more resources and time out of Bioware considering they need new everything. The most important thing is that the characters in the suicide mission returning in ME3 can't be absolutely vital to the plot, but it doesn't mean they can't help it.

You are not getting what i am saying.For me Wrex and Kadian dead.They are people who will play like this never get Legion,Grunt,and Kasumi.Three people die on ship with no upgrades in ,final mission you need at least one loyal crew member or else you can fail the mission and get  scenario devs that like talk about shepard dying.

In ME3 i am importing in save file that will have scenario of the fewest squad members and ship members possible.Do the math 12 squadmates,3 of which you don't have to get which leaves you with 9 i have not done it yet but Darkhour says 6-7 can die out of 9 people which leaves a mere 2 people and Shepard alive for ME3 ironically that that is all you need for squad.It is very possible that Bioware leaves with those people to play ME3 with but their also the possiblity of them adding new characters.But since they went out their way to make sure that Ashley/Kadian and Liara couldn't be killed ME3 i am fairly sure they will have use for them and since as you said it take more resources to have new characters and ME2 already tons of character which probably won't be killed in mission.I am pretty sure the 2 characters which they have resources for already will be used will be easy choice if they need more characters.

They have cover how i and other people are playing ME2 because that what my save file says.Since the suicide mission lets lots people die leaving only 2( i believe you can do it and only have one other person alive).The fact that i can walk out of ME2 with less people than first game leads to believe they will other options in ME3.It is easy choice to think that two characters not ME2 will be back and playable.

Modifié par Kirabi, 20 mars 2010 - 04:56 .

[Collider]

Darkhour wrote...
Not sure about Kaidan/Ashley. They don't seem to be positioned for greatness.

While Liara is more important, I also think that Kaidan and Ashley will be important, judging by the fact they survived for a reason. To have a large role in ME3. What the role is, I don't know.

[Collider]

Darkhour wrote...
Before the game came out they said that ME3 will carry on where your ME2 save left off. You and your squad will receive a new level cap and get new abilities in addition to the previous ones.

Are you sure of this? Do you have a source?

[Ash shepard]

I think apart from Garrus and Tali who now are as integral to the normandy as joker and dr chakwas, the start of me3 shud see shepard on a timed mission where he can only save another 3,4 characters from the me 1and 2 roster from being killed by collectors/reapers/the new big bad, then go from there so it makes the game even more personal from the outset and they have to introduce at least one new character in me 3 

Modifié par Ash shepard, 24 mars 2010 - 10:37 .

[Collider]

I'm not sure about that...seems excessive.

[Nizzemancer]

Bob5312 wrote...

Collider wrote...
Bioware said themselves that they wanted Ashley Kaidan and Liara to survive through ME2 so they can have large roles in ME3. That leads me to suspect that they will indeed be squad mates.

I hadn't actually heard an announcement on this, but I assumed it might be the case.  Which of the ME2 squadmates will return, though, I don't know and can't really guess.  Two things do bear consideration, however.  The first is that new squadmates will need to be introduced to fill any potential holes in your team left by deaths during the suicide mission.  The second is that with the return of squadmates from ME1, the potential to have everyone survive the suicide mission in ME2, and any new squad members introduced in ME3, Shepard is either going to have a very large team (likely with some redundant members), or some squadmates from ME2 will be removed regardless of whether they survived, or some mechanic for limiting the number of recruits will be introduced.

They could just fix it by having the new characters hate some other character from ME2 (one stole the other's childhood sweetheart or something) and if they survived the new guy won't join you.

[Nizzemancer]

Ash shepard wrote...

I think apart from Garrus and Tali who now are as integral to the normandy as joker and dr chakwas, the start of me3 shud see shepard on a timed mission where he can only save another 3,4 characters from the me 1and 2 roster from being killed by collectors/reapers/the new big bad, then go from there so it makes the game even more personal from the outset and they have to introduce at least one new character in me 3 

"Let's kill off a likeable character just to ****** people off hurr durr"

[ShadyKat]

8 squad mates is a decent number for ME3.



I'd say this should be it.



Garrus

Tali

Ash/Kadain

Liara

Miranda

Jacob

New female Turian

New Batarian

and Wrex gets a special mention, simply because he should be back.

[Collider]

Have the LIs return as the very least, I think.

[SirGladiator]

I agree, bring back the LIs (including Kelly in her 'assistant' role) and the rest can go do whatever. All I really care about are Liara and Tali, I like Ashley, Miranda, and Jack also though, hope to see them all back on the team as well. The rest I'd rather not see back as teammates. I'd like to see Mordin back in a non-squadmate role, as the full time Scientist, doing the research/upgrade stuff like he does now. I'd like to see Legion out, and EDI as the new robot teammate (and LI) . The bottom line is yes, keep the really important ones, and get rid of the other ones to make room for new cool teammates!

[Vardogr01]

This is what I want, more than likely not feasible considering ME3 is coming out next year...



Characters I want -



A developed and fully interactive Kasumi and Zaeed not this crap with no dialogue options.



Samara



Miranda



Jack,



Ashley



Liara



Wrex (Grunt aggravated me to no end with his Krogan puberty crap)



Gianna Parasini (as an Infiltrator oriented class)



Tali



Garrus



As for plot -

*SPOILER WARNING*





I think that after (I dont know if you guys put the Illusive man in his place at the end, I saved my entire crew.) That Commander Shepard becomes the head of Cerberus and starts off the beginning of ME3 gathering a multi-species Cerberus Council and making it Public/proposing to the Council to make it an official arm of the Citadel Council or Systems Alliance.



Now in the middle of the game, we have the Reapers arrive, because we're not sure where the Reapers are going to show up because they cant use the relay (this is actually probably going to a be huge deal - Citadel possibly goes under siege and seals itself up and fights the Reapers?) its going to have to be leaked through random channels in Asari, Salarian, and Turian information groups that we get to hack on happy go lucky missions. I also want to see peace negotiations between the Quarians and Geth, possibly granting the Geth an embassy on the citadel and letting the Quarians back on to Rannoch.



Worlds that I think should most definitely be in ME3 without question are -



Earth (missions to New York City, London, Shanghai or something to gain funding for Cerberus?)



Thessia (to recruit a Matriarch for the new multispecies Cerberus XO board)



Salarian Homeworld



Palaven



Rannoch



I dont want anymore of these half assed random mission worlds in bumblehell nowhere.