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Eh, not bad. I like the purple version better.

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ReggarBlane wrote...

I'll have to concur with those who relate Quarians with Turian/Reptilian features. (After all, they're the only ones who can eat the kind of food they eat and are both digitigrade walkers.)

They're considered attractive by galactic standards which seems to imply they must bear some similarity to the Asari who seem to set that standard. If I had to pick an alien species to relate them to, the Drell are probably looking in the right direction - human-looking, but, different.

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Taking it as just a piece of artwork, it's very well done, but taking it as a possible face for Tali, I'm going to have to say no thank you.

The quarians should look alien. We've already got one species that looks too human in the asari (and the drell, come to think of it), we don't need anymore. If Garrus romancers can accept their character falling in love with a being that isn't physically attractive whatsoever (and I'm not referring to the scars), then Tali romancers should be willing to accept the same.

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Lol, I'm sure Garrus fangirls would dispute you saying that he isn't physically attractive whatsoever. His voice and height certainly attribute to their like of him, so far as the face goes I don't know any specifics.



Personally, I'll accept however Tali looks like and I do want to see her face. I like her for who she is, nothing else. I do however, have a preference for her being more alien like - we already have the Asari for human aliens.

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ReggarBlane wrote...

I'll have to concur with those who relate Quarians with Turian/Reptilian features. (After all, they're the only ones who can eat the kind of food they eat and are both digitigrade walkers.)


Ugh, this kind of 'logic' really infuriates me because all it does is showcase your ignorance about what you're talking about.

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Shandepared wrote...

ReggarBlane wrote...

I'll have to concur with those who relate Quarians with Turian/Reptilian features. (After all, they're the only ones who can eat the kind of food they eat and are both digitigrade walkers.)


Ugh, this kind of 'logic' really infuriates me because all it does is showcase your ignorance about what you're talking about.


Have to agree. Being able to eat the same food (even then turian food needs to get purified for quarians) does not mean they'll be like turians in appearance. Anyway, I did read that Quarians evolved from mammals (which of course explains the female quarian shape).

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Have to agree. Being able to eat the same food (even then turian food needs to get purified for quarians) does not mean they'll be like turians in appearance. Anyway, I did read that Quarians evolved from mammals (which of course explains the female quarian shape).


Exactly.

That said, I think turians are the best designed aliens in the game. If you get right down to it they actually are pretty much just re-skinned humans, but the re-skinning is done very well.

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Not exactly a reskin I would say. Asari are MUCH more of a reskin. basically blue humans with head tentacles. Turians are quite different, and I agree, well designed.

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Extremely well-done picture. But...

I don't think Tali's face should be revealed. As it is, it's the perfect projection screen for everyone's fantasies, and at this point, any revelation, of whichever kind, is bound to disappoint many Tali fans.

As for being "too human", well, the asari are too human as well, so why shouldn't the quarians be? Really, if you've opened that can of worms once the silliness is in the world and there's no removing it. If Tali's face is ever revealed, BW could do much worse than to use this one as an inspiration.

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Not exactly a reskin I would say. Asari are MUCH more of a reskin. basically blue humans with head tentacles. Turians are quite different, and I agree, well designed.


Yes, asari are basically just Star Trek aliens. That's okay though because Mass Effect was in many ways a homage to all sci-fi tropes. When I say turians are re-skins I mean that ultimately they have what amounts to human body structure. Okay, so they walk on their tip toes, have only two toes, three fingers, and curved shins... but they're still human. They even have human faces. The same layout for the eyes, nose, and mouth. They still have two legs and two arms.

We don't really know anything about alien life to be certain what it will look like, but I doubt it will so closely resemble Earth life in form and function. Even minute differences in the environment on an alien world could result in some incredible differences from Earth life. Certain things will likely be common, but a lot of the details are up for grabs.

In the end, turians are human enough that they can use huma facilities (things like doorways) and even human weapons.

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Ieldra2 wrote...
I don't think Tali's face should be revealed. As it is, it's the perfect projection screen for everyone's fantasies, and at this point, any revelation, of whichever kind, is bound to disappoint many Tali fans.

We can project any face on her, but seriously. We have very little to go by. Tali's "face" has become synoymous with her helmet - we may see fanart with interpretations of her face but there is nothing conclusive. Actually, I think most Tali fans want to see her face. Myself, I'll be happy with whatever Bioware has her look like - the important thing is that we are able to see her face to begin with. As far as disappointing them, look at it this way. Bioware isn't going to make her unattractive (not that I personally care that much). Two different women can have two different face shapes, skin colors, hair color, eye color what have you, and both be genuinely attractive. So while Tali may not have purple skin as some may imagine, she's still going to be cute (likely).

Shepard has seen her face, why not the player as well? Anyone who is so superficial that they'll complain that her face isn't exactly how they imagined deserves the disappointment.

As for being "too human", well, the asari are too human as well,

I actually dislike the Asari being so human like, so that point is lost to me.

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Personally I believe that if Tali's face is shown it should be part as the ending of ME3 and only if she's your LI until the credits roll. That's just me.

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[quote]Shandepared wrote...

[quote]Collider wrote...

Not exactly a reskin I would say. Asari are MUCH more of a reskin. basically blue humans with head tentacles. Turians are quite different, and I agree, well designed. [/quote]

Yes, asari are basically just Star Trek aliens. That's okay though because Mass Effect was in many ways a homage to all sci-fi tropes. When I say turians are re-skins I mean that ultimately they have what amounts to human body structure. Okay, so they walk on their tip toes, have only two toes, three fingers, and curved shins... but they're still human. They even have human faces. The same layout for the eyes, nose, and mouth. They still have two legs and two arms.[/quote]
Well, I'm a fan of modding in games, and reskins generally refer to retexturing rather than remodeling. As in, a literal reskin of a human would be doing a model of say Abraham Lincoln but making him green.

[quote]We don't really know anything about alien life to be certain what it will look like, but I doubt it will so closely resemble Earth life in form and function. Even minute differences in the environment on an alien world could result in some incredible differences from Earth life. Certain things will likely be common, but a lot of the details are up for grabs.[/quote]
Exactly, in reality aliens would probably be very different and wholly unattractive.

[quote]In the end, turians are human enough that they can use huma facilities (things like doorways) and even human weapons.[/quote]
Also, it helps for us to relate to this turians and empthasize with them, as well as hate them in some cases (Saren for example). It's harder to hate or love something that looks like an octopus for example.



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 Actually, I think most Tali fans want to see her face.


To be frank I think most Tali fans are iditos who would destroy the character if they were given their way. To hell with them. Keep Tali's face hidden. As far I'm concerned the vague hints we get through her helmet are all that is needed.

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The way turians are designed they hit the perfect mark. They different enough to truly appear to be something not of this world. Some people say they look like birds, others like lizards, and yet others say they look like dinosaurs. Personally I don't think they look like any animal I've ever seen. Yet they are familiar enough that I can emphathize with them and not find them ugly. Though I don't find them beautiful (or handsome, I guess) I do find many of them 'cool' looking.

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Shandepared wrote...

Collider wrote...


 Actually, I think most Tali fans want to see her face.


To be frank I think most Tali fans are iditos who would destroy the character if they were given their way.

How is that not true of most fans? The writers are the ones who are most intimate with the characters, and a lot of fans regardless of what they are fans of project their own desires onto these characters, onto in ways that may be out of character.

To hell with them. Keep Tali's face hidden. As far I'm concerned the vague hints we get through her helmet are all that is needed.

Of course this is a matter of opinion. I don't see why her face should remain hidden to those who romanced her. It's not as if the opacity of her face mask defines her.

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umm seeing as you can see their faces rather clearly, saying too human is rather obtuse, the only part that might not be human looking is the ears and chin, everything else is human, and that's a known thing by looking at them.

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Xaijin wrote...
umm seeing as you can see their faces rather clearly, saying too human is rather obtuse, the only part that might not be human looking is the ears and chin, everything else is human, and that's a known thing by looking at them.

The picture in question is too human in my opinion. It is not a stretch to add things to the quarian appearance to make them more unique.

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Sure, you could add LITTLE things, but the general structure is a known quantity, minus chin, top of head and ears. Secondly, any retard with a library card can see EXACTLY what they look like by visiting a library or the equivalent, ala The Bartender. So apparently they're not all that exotic.



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Nicely made.

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The books says they have alot of human elements, like mouth, nose, eyelids ect. But nothing about color of skin and eyes.



I myself would like to see pink/purple skin together with glowy eyes.

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Might be easier to actually lay out what we know about quarians and their appearance rather than speculation, and build something from there.



- Quarians don't have human-like ears...referenced by Paul Grayson in 'what passes for the quarian version of an ear'...we can assume at the very least that they don't have ears that look like what humans are used to seeing.



- Quarians have lips and teeth. At the very least, lips that are suitable for kissing humans...referenced by ManShep/Tali romance.



- Quarians are physically tougher than humans, salarians and asari, but not as tough as turians. This could mean that their skin isn't as soft...we could speculate that their skin is thicker or denser like drell skin, but not as thick as a turian's skin.



- What we've seen of Tali behind her mask shows that quarians have two eyes similar to humans' shape, and a nose that is also human-like.



- Quarians don't have hair, as referenced by Paul Grayson in ME Ascension.



- Quarians don't have grey skin. Grayson mentioned a 'grey, loamy' fungus spreading on a quarian in Ascension. I'm going to take the liberty to presume that means their skin isn't grey.



What else do we know about quarians? Apart from their obvious anatomy being similar to humans and their levo-protein (?) structure, I can't think of anything else.



Also, it's possible that it's Tali's mask that causes her eyes to glow like that. Maybe her eyes have a kind of film that makes them shine, similar to cat's eyes.

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CarpeOmnios wrote...


- Quarians are physically tougher than humans, salarians and asari, but not as tough as turians. This could mean that their skin isn't as soft...we could speculate that their skin is thicker or denser like drell skin, but not as thick as a turian's skin.


Or they have stronger skeletons.

CarpeOmnios wrote...

- Quarians don't have hair, as referenced by Paul Grayson in ME Ascension.


This was not hinted at one way or another in the book.

CarpeOmnios wrote...

Also, it's possible that it's Tali's mask that causes her eyes to glow like that. Maybe her eyes have a kind of film that makes them shine, similar to cat's eyes.


I think it is more likely that quarians have occular implants.

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As I've said before developers have confirmed Tali will look very similiar to this image which was made by a developer.
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They are making her look like this to see how many of her so called fans really love her for who she is and not just dem hips.


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Of course this is a matter of opinion. I don't see why her face should remain hidden to those who romanced her. It's not as if the opacity of her face mask defines her.


My opinion is better. Idiots who can't be bothered to let their imagination fill in the blanks are ruining fiction. I hate them, all of them. For god's sake I think children might be onto to something. Let your imagination take over every once in a while, stop asking to be fed everything. In the end you'll realize it is more satisfying. Once you 'know' everything there is no room left to project your own interpretations.

This is the problem I have with Star Wars. The universe has become so filled with canon and every little detailed cataloged that there's no room for my own fantasies there. When I was a kid that was different; I only knew the movies and I was too young to understand some of the movies underlying concepts. As such I made up a lot of stuff on my own... and you know what? In the end I've to come realize a lot of the stuff I imagined was better than what was later produced and put in theaters or sold in book stores.

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so wait....let me get this straight



Asari look exactly like human females (don't even bring up the Ilium bachelor party...you know that was a joke) aside for their skin color and squid scalp and no one complains.



Quarians have inverted leg joints, three digited hands and feet, wasp waistline, glowing eyes and enlongated necks but if they had a human like face people would freak?



SERIOUSLY??