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[Wolverfrog]

Am I the only one who thinks Legion's claims that the Geth we fought in Mass Effect 1 are a small percentage of a greater whole who think differently from regular Geth as being complete bollocks?

It just seems all too convienient to be honest.

We never see or speak to these other "good Geth" in Mass Effect 2 do we? The only one we ever see is Legion. There's no evidence supporting his claims other than his own words.

Its my opinion that Legion isn't actually part of greater collation of Reaper-hating Geth, but is instead an anomaly; a new model of Geth which went against the rest of his species views. I believe that he is the only Geth who does not worship the Reapers.

And to further his own goals, he went searching for the greatest ally he could use against the Reapers; Commander Shepard. Once he'd encountered him/her, Legion then manipulated Shepard into serving his intents, by either converting some of the Reaper worshipping Geth to his own ideology or having us destroy a great number of them.

I know a lot of you on this forum will flame me for having this idea, but ever since first meeting Legion I've had a feeling that something isn't quite right about them. And I think this is it.

[ramdog7]

um no doesnt make any sense cuz the majority of the geth are still behind the persias veil. only the heretic geth are outside of it.

if this was true than the quarian can finally go to their homeworld

[epoch_]

Legion doesn't lie.

[ir7200]

tis an interesting point, might go some way to explaining why Legion wears some of sheps armour: He wanted to distinguish himself from the rest of his kind, by wearing an icon of the construct he would like to become.



then again he does access the geth mainframe at one point, getting all up in EDI's grill.

[ramdog7]

ir7200 wrote...

tis an interesting point, might go some way to explaining why Legion wears some of sheps armour: He wanted to distinguish himself from the rest of his kind, by wearing an icon of the construct he would like to become.

then again he does access the geth mainframe at one point, getting all up in EDI's grill.

i think he likes shepard alittle to much;)

[Doozle]

I must admit, the fact we don't see, hear or talk to any other haters of the 'Old machines' is a tad suspicious.



Whether or not a Geth could or would lie to further their own goals I don't know, but if Legion is an anomaly, or an 'Evolved' geth there's no reason I can think of to say he couldn't. >_>

[Cascadus]

It turns out Legion is the Heretic and that all the 'True' geth would be the ones you killed on 'Heretic' Station/converted to Legion's side.

It will be the greatest rick-roll in gaming history.

[hawat333]

If you develop your relationship and uncover more dialogues and details, it'll become clear.



But... why not? Legion could be the real heretic

[ir7200]

Cascadus wrote...

It turns out Legion is the Heretic and that all the 'True' geth would be the ones you killed on 'Heretic' Station/converted to Legion's side.
It will be the greatest rick-roll in gaming history.

Hahaha...and he just disappears into the sunset...doing the robot relentlessly.

[Raphael diSanto]

Well, it's a nice theory and quite cool, but remember, Legion is around 1800 geth "minds" all in one mobile platform.. The mobile platform is the singular. The geth inside the silicon brain are most definitely not.

[eternalnightmare13]

It is an interesting theory no doubt. Whether anything becomes of it I don't know. If Legion were setting you up why not do it on the Geth base. True there were hostile geth there, but not a lot. The Geth on Tali's recruitment mission were tougher IMO.

[Ecael]

How does the N7 armor play into all of this if Legion is actually lying?

[Raphael diSanto]

Verisimilitude.

[Vaern Sul]

 I've tought about that before, and I came up with this:
Assuming Legion is double-crossing you, then :

-It Built an entire papier-mache background in order to bolster Shepard's trust toward it. Not impossible, but unlikely, considering the lack of interest AIs find in lying in most of Sci-Fi setting. Besides, What's the point of lying to him. If the geth are THAT many, they could spread accross the galaxy and do the reaper tactic, surgical-striking every major Galaxy position.
And if Legion lied about the Geth's numbers, then maybe the trap laid won't be enough, and organic will sweep out the geths. Fail.

-It missed the opportunity to overpower EDI (Or at least to try) to upload classified Cerberus Data. As a Black ops groups, Cerberus must indeed have a lot of classified strategics data for the Heretics to compile.

-More importanlty, it Squandered lots of opportunities to shoot Commander Shepard in the back, to say the least : Once during IFF , countless times during Loyalty mission, plus Legion also had the opportunity to reveal the Normandy's location back then,oh and let's not forget the massive opportunity it had  beyond the Omega 4 relay. Considering that Shepard is One Big Threat to the reaper, and thus to the heretics, keeping him alive along with his crew would be pointless.


That is why Consensus has been built in my mind : Legion speaks the truth. 

[shinobi602]

I take what Legion says at face value, so I definitely believe him. Legion is not just "one" Geth, it's made up of over a thousand different programs, so that right there shows you he's not just an anomaly.



Also, it's true, the large majority of Geth are still behind the Perseus Veil.

[Steel Dancer]

Mukora wrote...

epoch_ wrote...

Legion doesn't lie.

Legion: Lying? Does not compute.

Machines, even sentient ones, don't lie.

Hmmmm....

So that little "experiment" they did about a buch of stars that looks like a goddess wouldn't qualify as a a lie?  What with it being an untruth and all?

[AngryFrozenWater]

Mukora wrote...

epoch_ wrote...

Legion doesn't lie.

Legion: Lying? Does not compute.

Machines, even sentient ones, don't lie.

There is no reason to assume that sentient synthetic life forms capable of creative and independent thought cannot lie. If the "collective" thinks that a lie has an advantage then they would certainly do it. Maybe the non-heretic geth have some kind of ethics that prevent it, but the heretic geth could surely do it when the need arises.

[KillaKow]

Vaern Sul wrote...


 I've tought about that before, and I came up with this:
Assuming Legion is double-crossing you, then :

-It Built an entire papier-mache background in order to bolster Shepard's trust toward it. Not impossible, but unlikely, considering the lack of interest AIs find in lying in most of Sci-Fi setting. Besides, What's the point of lying to him. If the geth are THAT many, they could spread accross the galaxy and do the reaper tactic, surgical-striking every major Galaxy position.
And if Legion lied about the Geth's numbers, then maybe the trap laid won't be enough, and organic will sweep out the geths. Fail.

-It missed the opportunity to overpower EDI (Or at least to try) to upload classified Cerberus Data. As a Black ops groups, Cerberus must indeed have a lot of classified strategics data for the Heretics to compile.

-More importanlty, it Squandered lots of opportunities to shoot Commander Shepard in the back, to say the least : Once during IFF , countless times during Loyalty mission, plus Legion also had the opportunity to reveal the Normandy's location back then,oh and let's not forget the massive opportunity it had  beyond the Omega 4 relay. Considering that Shepard is One Big Threat to the reaper, and thus to the heretics, keeping him alive along with his crew would be pointless.


That is why Consensus has been built in my mind : Legion speaks the truth. 

1- If the Geth did that, then we'd just have the same plot as Battlestar Galactica now wouldn't we? <_<

2- If he failed to overpower EDI, then his cover would be blown and he'd be dead, my guess is that if he is double-crossing you he's waiting for the perfect opportunity.

3- Same as 2, also legion murdering the Player Character would probably create some issues with gameplay.

[Skilled Seeker]

yorkj86 wrote...

Legion doesn't lie, but the Geth definitely deceive, as per Legion's story of the Geth fabricating a report on the Extranet about a constellation resembling a Batarian deity being visible from a certain planet's surface.

It was a Salarian Goddess actually.

And this theory fails since Legion was copying data from Tali's omni tool to send back to his people. If he was an anomaly he would have no one to send it to nor would he care what happens to the other Geth should the Quarians invade and would certainly not try to help them. 

Legion also contacts the other Geth to gain the Widow sniper Rifle upgrade. 

Modifié par Skilled Seeker, 14 mars 2010 - 07:50 .

[LostJ]

To be fair, I think this *COULD* be possible. I wouldn't want this, as it would completely disrupt my mind about the geth..



I mean, in ME1 they were the ultimate badasses that destroyed any organic beings. In ME2 we discover that part of them were badasses but most of them are very recluse and could careless about humans and organics.



If in ME3 that perspective change again, my head may explode.

[gauntz]

Huh? I got the impression there was like ca. a thousand Geth who concluded the same as Legion, while there are millions of Heretics, far outnumbering the "good" Geth.

[Wild Still]

Legion was lying, all the goody-goodies that re-wrote the Geth actually convinced the hold outs to worship the Reapers and you have doomed the galaxy. Just like we all knew paragon Shepard would all along.