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[caladorne]

Hello forumites

I finished my first 'complete' playthrough yesterday (through the epilogue) with a Female/Elf/Mage and find that my DAO appetite is not yet sated!?! I've toyed around w/ some other characters (MDE/DWW,  MDE/DWR, DNF/2HW), but found things lacking in the characters. So, I wish to try something else as I didn't like how the mage story ended (and corrupted save files are keeping me from redoing Denerim on!!!) and the others don't feel right.

So, I come to you for advice and help. I'll definitely be asking for MAJOR spoiler advice so be forewarned before continued reading.


I have some specific goals for this characters story.

1. Chantry indifference:
  It's a part of society and to each his own, but I've consistently found Wynne and Leliana to be overly rightous. This character will have little interest in propagating the Chant.

2. Self-interest:
  Service to the Warden's is perfectly suited to furthering goals of defeating the Blight and slaying the Archdemon. So, it's a given. BUT, I specifically want to 'win' the Landsmeet vote, have Alistair on the throne w/ my pc at his side (human noble female).
a) Can someone tell me specifically how to do this? I totally botched the whole thing w/ my mage. Romancing Al is simple, it's the hardening and dialogue options w/ Anora that must have screwed me over before. I REALLY need help her please.
What boon would be best to ask Alistair as king? Land and title?
c) How do I get to erect a monument for Duncan as a favor to Alistair?
d) Morrigan will likely be in the party and serve as Healer/DPS/CC as her personality will likely mesh MUCH better than Wynne. BUT, I seriously doubt that I'll agree to allow the ritual to happen. Will this be required to keep us both alive? Or, can the secret companion join the party, serve as the sacrifice, and still be able to rule w/ Alistair.

3. Character class:
  I've done rogues quite abit and really enjoy the class and the utility that it provides, BUT I thought perhaps a DPS/DWW could be worth a shot. That would mean having to take Zevran who you don't get until later, or tolerating leliana for awhile. The rogue path seems to fit the rp goals pretty well and then I can leave her out.

4. Companions:
a)Tank-Alistair seems like a no-brainer for my tank, but I could also make the argument of leaving him at camp for his safety after he reveals his heritage. I may be leaning this way as I've had him tank basically all the time in other playthroughs. Shale and Dog have done some off-tanking situationally, but I've used the two-handers VERY rarely. I find that my rogues do so much DPS w/ Momentum and activated abilities, that I draw alot of aggro. Even w/ Taunt/Threaten active on my tank, I draw too much attention sometimes. Thoughts?

Healer-Morrigan, as noted above will be specced for Spirit Healer 2/4 and the rest for CC/DPS. I'm pretty confident she can handle it especially if I use tactics for more health pot use and her Herbalism skill. Do you think I'll have to micro her alot this way? I've done pretty well w/ just CC/DPS by just using tactics in the past, but not sure if the added healing requirements will keep her too busy.

c)Fourth slot-If I'm a rogue, then that frees up a slot. I LOVE dog and the HNF orgin basically sets that up for you. Is it plausible to keep dog in the party through the whole game? I know he can eliminate archers/mages w/ little trouble, but how will he hold up against undead/armored foes through the mid-game? Honestly, this is the slot I'm having the hardest time deciding on. All advice would be appreciated.

Last bits. I know this is alot so I tried to break it down in sections for specific answers. I'm on the 360 if that changes any recommendations. I'll likely play on Normal mode for the first bit as I try to get a feel for how this will all work together. All help is appreciated.

[ejoslin]

Well, do you want to marry Alistair for political or romance reasons? Both are doable, and quite easy. I believe you need coercion at at least 2 for Ali to agree to a political marriage, but none for him to marry at love. I always request a title and lands. It puts the Couslands in a position more powerful than Alistair's actually. I think you need Alistair as a romance partner for the Duncan monument (I'm not sure, I never get this card but I never have ended the game with Alistair in an active romance). The ritual is required for you both to stay alive.

Dog is a great companion. Morrigan is fine as a healer.

Have fun!

Edit: A second rogue works very well in a party, though.  They're amazing single-target damage.

Second edit: If you're on a PC and not against modding, there's Charsen's mod, ZevranASAP, that gets Zevran before a treaty quest.  His cutscene triggers before lothering and you get the ambush after leaving Lothering.

Modifié par ejoslin, 14 mars 2010 - 05:52 .

[caladorne]

ejoslin wrote...

Well, do you want to marry Alistair for political or romance reasons? Both are doable, and quite easy. I believe you need coercion at at least 2 for Ali to agree to a political marriage, but none for him to marry at love. I always request a title and lands. It puts the Couslands in a position more powerful than Alistair's actually. I think you need Alistair as a romance partner for the Duncan monument (I'm not sure, I never get this card but I never have ended the game with Alistair in an active romance). The ritual is required for you both to stay alive.

Dog is a great companion. Morrigan is fine as a healer.

Have fun!

Edit: A second rogue works very well in a party, though.  They're amazing single-target damage.

Second edit: If you're on a PC and not against modding, there's Charsen's mod, ZevranASAP, that gets Zevran before a treaty quest.  His cutscene triggers before lothering and you get the ambush after leaving Lothering.

Thanks for the response.

In my last playthrough, I was a mage, hardened Alistair after the Goldana bit, he gave me his rose, and he was at %100 (the 360 doesn't show a 'love' indicator.) We were in an active romance. After the Landsmeet, he approached the party and I persuaded him to 'the king does what he wants.' Anora was locked in the tower. But, in our next dialogue, he said something like "We have to end this now" type of response. Then he was super mopey and said he couldn't go on w/o me. Should I have done the Morrigan ritual?

Anyway, this time around, I want to get it right and marry for love and get the statue for Duncan. Thanks for the heads up on the 'title and land' boon. As I said, self-interest and procuring power/position/etc is this character's bag so...

As for another rogue, I've used Leliana extensively for ranged single target damage. Those insta-kill AoS on mages is fab for sure. I'll see what goes down w/ Graun shredding mages/archers and maybe just tell Leli to shut it when she starts spouting her blaaahhh.
Desfortunadamente, it's the 360 for me these days so no mods.

[Loc'n'lol]

caladorne wrote...

2. Self-interest:
  Service to the Warden's is perfectly suited to furthering goals of defeating the Blight and slaying the Archdemon. So, it's a given. BUT, I specifically want to 'win' the Landsmeet vote, have Alistair on the throne w/ my pc at his side (human noble female).
a) Can someone tell me specifically how to do this? I totally botched the whole thing w/ my mage. Romancing Al is simple, it's the hardening and dialogue options w/ Anora that must have screwed me over before. I REALLY need help her please.
What boon would be best to ask Alistair as king? Land and title?
c) How do I get to erect a monument for Duncan as a favor to Alistair?
d) Morrigan will likely be in the party and serve as Healer/DPS/CC as her personality will likely mesh MUCH better than Wynne. BUT, I seriously doubt that I'll agree to allow the ritual to happen. Will this be required to keep us both alive? Or, can the secret companion join the party, serve as the sacrifice, and still be able to rule w/ Alistair.

a) To harden Alistair, you must tell him that he should realize everyone is out for themselves after he meets Goldanna. Unfortunately that's the only way.
Having anora side with you makes winning the landsmeet easier, you can lie to her and pretend you'll support her then choose Alistair anyway, or you can try to win against her if double-crossing doesn't seem like something your character would do.
Make sure you rescue bann whatshisname's son in Howe's dungeon as well as Alfstana's brother (the templar in lyrium withdrawal), and mention it to them in the gnawed noble tavern before the landsmeet. That's two votes for you. Then during the landsmeet a winning combination is : say the blight is the real threat (Wulf will side with you), mention the deal with Tevinter slavers in the alienage(someone else will side with you), then mention the sending of an apostate to poison arl Eamon (The grand cleric's voice is important). You can also free Vaughan in Howe's dungeon and ask him to side with you for an extra voice.
Ask for the Warden's sacrifices not to be forgotten again
c) see
d) It's supposedly possible to let L join the party, be sacrificed and still have alistair king if you did a), but then you lose both Alistair and Morrigan as party members. Totally not worth it IMO, just do the damn ritual already

Modifié par _Loc_N_lol_, 15 mars 2010 - 12:56 .

[errant_knight]

You have to play a human to marry Alistair, and you have to have high coercion/cunning to get the landsmeet to accept the marriage. When you get to the choice of who to have rule, say 'Alistair, with me ruling beside him' (or something to that effect). If you want to marry for love, he has to be at love, not adore, although I don't know how you can tell if you don't see that, and the relationship has to be active.

[mousestalker]

If Lelianna talking about the Maker bothers you, hardening helps with that. It doesn't stop her completely, but she talks about it a lot less.

For Landsmeet, mention in order: The Blight is the real threat, Arl Howe's misdeeds and poisoning Arl Eamon. For it to work you need to have saved the noble from the torture rack and mentioned it to his father, spoken with Irminric and delivered his ring to his sister. Saving Vaughan gets you a vote as well, if you have him promise it to you, but I never save Vaughan. You get another vote by doing the last quest in "Trial of Crows".

Anora's support is the big gun here. You get it by promising to support her and not discussing executing Loghain with her. You can double cross her and support Alistair alone if you wish.

Mentioning the slavers gets you a small boost. Mentioning poisoning the Arl gets you a bigger one. The nobility and the Chantry care more about their own than some elves in an Alienage. Go figure.

Modifié par mousestalker, 15 mars 2010 - 01:31 .

[Sarah1281]

Don't let a hardened Alistair fight Loghain unless you persuaded him to accept Anora as his wife. You don't actuall have to let them marry, but if a hardened Alistair kills Loghain w/out Anora being a potential wife (not that she'll do that if Alistair kills him) then he'll declare himself king and you don't get to be Queen.

[ejoslin]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Don't let a hardened Alistair fight Loghain unless you persuaded him to accept Anora as his wife. You don't actuall have to let them marry, but if a hardened Alistair kills Loghain w/out Anora being a potential wife (not that she'll do that if Alistair kills him) then he'll declare himself king and you don't get to be Queen.

Unless he's in love with a HNF warden.  Then you still get to choose.

[errant_knight]

ejoslin wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Don't let a hardened Alistair fight Loghain unless you persuaded him to accept Anora as his wife. You don't actuall have to let them marry, but if a hardened Alistair kills Loghain w/out Anora being a potential wife (not that she'll do that if Alistair kills him) then he'll declare himself king and you don't get to be Queen.

Unless he's in love with a HNF warden.  Then you still get to choose.

Yep, the OP wants a love match, so that's not going to be a problem.

[Sandtigress]

errant_knight wrote...

You have to play a human to marry Alistair, and you have to have high coercion/cunning to get the landsmeet to accept the marriage. When you get to the choice of who to have rule, say 'Alistair, with me ruling beside him' (or something to that effect). If you want to marry for love, he has to be at love, not adore, although I don't know how you can tell if you don't see that, and the relationship has to be active.

I know you know this, errant_knight, but just to make it clear for the OP, you have to be a human noble - human mage doesn't cut it.  Ferelden citizens are afraid of mages, there's no way they'd let one rule.


As far as love/adore, do his personal quest with Goldanna, and when he hits the top of the influence bar, he'll be at love.  His response to you should be the "Something you need, my dear?" instead of (I believe) "Ask away."  Yeah, it can be tricky for those of us who don't play on the PC to figure out some influence things, but I think that should do it for you.

[errant_knight]

Sandtigress wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

You have to play a human to marry Alistair, and you have to have high coercion/cunning to get the landsmeet to accept the marriage. When you get to the choice of who to have rule, say 'Alistair, with me ruling beside him' (or something to that effect). If you want to marry for love, he has to be at love, not adore, although I don't know how you can tell if you don't see that, and the relationship has to be active.

I know you know this, errant_knight, but just to make it clear for the OP, you have to be a human noble - human mage doesn't cut it.  Ferelden citizens are afraid of mages, there's no way they'd let one rule.


As far as love/adore, do his personal quest with Goldanna, and when he hits the top of the influence bar, he'll be at love.  His response to you should be the "Something you need, my dear?" instead of (I believe) "Ask away."  Yeah, it can be tricky for those of us who don't play on the PC to figure out some influence things, but I think that should do it for you.

Good point. Human noble. Heh.

[caladorne]

Thanks for all the replies



I realize my OP was long and had alot in it. So let me clarify a bit.

My elf mage was in a 'love/hardened' relationship w/ Al, and I didn't even get a 'hook-up' option. So, she was greatly insulted/disappointed and let him deal the final blow.



THIS character (human noble female) seeks to rule in a love relationship w/ Alistair. After reading the responses, I guess that means I'll need to harden him and do the ritual w/ Morrigan. Correct?