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[HaloHunter72]

Am I correct in understanding that the basis of purchasing the game (for some) depends on a romance subplot?

I didn't realize romance options were such an integral part of Dragon Age: Awakening, and I wasn't aware that it had such an ifluence on whether it's enough to warrant a purchase or not.

I'm fairly certain the term subplot technically refers to a subordinate plot, or secondary plot. The developers can fully choose whether it is necessary to coincide with the expansion or not. They felt it wasn't necessary, and to me, that is entirely understandable.

I will admit that $40 is quite unusual for an expansion, but I've never complained too much about it. I'm eager to try Awakening as soon as possible.

Modifié par HaloHunter72, 15 mars 2010 - 06:03 .

[Bryy_Miller]

Grimgor79 wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Morroian wrote...
So..........you're confirming that DA2 is scheduled for release less than a year from now. Woohoo!

Umm... no.

I'm saying that the size of any team that works on an expansion is small. If you gave a team that size a year to work on a project, you would end up with something the size of an expansion.

Perhaps it's best if I just left you folks to your business.

It would be greatly apreciated if you could tell me if the new patch will contain the 1.2 stuff for XBOX. If you cant tell me, then I understand. 

He's can't tell you because he doesn't know.

[Querne]

Of course judging just because of one opinion is not smart, but the FAQs helped me to build up my opinion too. Already there you can see that social relationships were strongly cutted.

I think, that it is either not very smart to say: Doesn´t matter what people say about the lenght, I WILL NEED 134 hours to finish an IT WILL be a 10/10 because it´s from Bioware and I HAVE preordered it.

The guy writing the review was fan enough to preorder the game like you did, play it immedialtly and post his review here, so I don´t think, that he is hypercitical or trolling.
Doesn´t mean that noone will be happy with the expansion, but otherwise there are people here in the forums that would be happy with Ferelden-Tetris, so I´m surely won´t overread the critical ones.

Modifié par Querne, 15 mars 2010 - 06:13 .

[Bryy_Miller]

bluewolv1970 wrote...

So in other words - when bioware says that your charcters romances are "put on hold" or that dog is just not on THIS adventure - is more or less a subtle lie because your character dies loveless and petless ehich means no further adventures with your former companions...

Where did you ever piece this together?

[BBow]

Fair enough, Querne. I, too, read the FAQ section to build an opinion. I also agree that he definitely showed his fandom by creating this and it's obviously gone over well due to the number of posters reading and commenting, and granting the review 5 stars. My only point was that anybody reading this should still play the game for themselves and form their own opinion. I'm guilty of it, too. I've read reviews on games and movies alike and have formed opinions based on those reviews. I've also played wonderful games and seen great movies that did not get good reviews or even mediocre reviews. I simply noticed that a lot of people on here were reading and basing their purchasing decision on this one review. While I am not discounting anything this reviewer had to say, I am taking it for what it is: a review based on one person's opinion. Our tastes may be different, but I humbly respect that.

Modifié par BBow, 15 mars 2010 - 06:26 .

[Wyndham711]

Looking sweet! I've yet to hear anything truly negative concerning the expansion. I personally love mindblowingly abrupt endings - they give me this masochistic pleasure. It will be a nice change of style from the drawn out way Origins ended. I don't buy the character interaction critique until I experience it myself. Naturally, I'd be surprised if the characters of a 15-20 hour expansion are as deep as the ones in a 80h+ full game. That's just common sense.

I think that in general people here seem to have ridiculously high expectations for an expansion pack. The supposed length of the game is truly ample, according to the review the quality of the conent is distinctly high (not something rushed of watered down) and there are even some refreshing stylistic changes that will make the experience feel more fresh (things like the new system for opening more conversation topics, things like the new style of the plot).

If anything, I get the feeling the team has really taken to heart what they can do with the relatively small team and budget they had, and made the most with that. They have made the story more intense, more compact - to fit the smaller frame. They have made the conversations something more immediate, something that will take place during the mission, not during downtime. This all makes perfect sense to me given the context.

[Grimgor79]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Grimgor79 wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Morroian wrote...
So..........you're confirming that DA2 is scheduled for release less than a year from now. Woohoo!

Umm... no.

I'm saying that the size of any team that works on an expansion is small. If you gave a team that size a year to work on a project, you would end up with something the size of an expansion.

Perhaps it's best if I just left you folks to your business.

It would be greatly apreciated if you could tell me if the new patch will contain the 1.2 stuff for XBOX. If you cant tell me, then I understand. 

He's can't tell you because he doesn't know.

 Quite possible my friend, quite possible. Thanks for the reply.

 Oh, and to the OP. Great review, I really apreciate your view on the good, bad and ugly of the game. After reading the FAQ etc. I had already tentatively rated the game about a 7.5 or 8 (for me) which is what I still expect unless ofcourse it surprises me and really blows me away.

[Wompoo]

Booglarize wrote...

YohkoOhno wrote...

The more I think about it, the more I think that expecting the romances to continue in a big series is asking too much. 

As a fan of the Baldur's Gate series (which Dragon Age is supposed to be a "spiritual successor" to), I refuse to believe this. It can absolutely be done - I think it's primarily a matter of not rushing games out in a way that causes important things to be left out. 

Heh, not me, the romances in DA:O were totally forgetable (felt like paying them for the service and asking for change), so bring on the new thank you very much. There were no romances in BG, BG2 yes and I still cringe when I hear Aerie's name... sugar over dose from her there.

[Bryy_Miller]

Grimgor79 wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Grimgor79 wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Morroian wrote...
So..........you're confirming that DA2 is scheduled for release less than a year from now. Woohoo!

Umm... no.

I'm saying that the size of any team that works on an expansion is small. If you gave a team that size a year to work on a project, you would end up with something the size of an expansion.

Perhaps it's best if I just left you folks to your business.

It would be greatly apreciated if you could tell me if the new patch will contain the 1.2 stuff for XBOX. If you cant tell me, then I understand. 

He's can't tell you because he doesn't know.

 Quite possible my friend, quite possible. Thanks for the reply.

No, he really doesn't. He's just the writer.

[empetus]

I really appreciate this review. It sounds very honest and forthright detailing the good and bad about this expansion. Don't worry about your English, you did fine. I'd much rather read an honest review like this than a fan boy review that pretends its a masterpiece and glosses over all the drawbacks of the game, and I'm sure there will be plenty of those here in the days to come. It sounds like it was started as an ambitious project but then they had to wrap it up quickly so they threw together an ending as best they could. I'll be skipping this expansion for the time being, it sounds like another disappointment continuing in the vein of the other DLC.



I must say this is getting to be a disturbing pattern with the DLC stuff. Return To Ostager and Wardens Keep, now this is another example. It does sound like a money grab as another said and it does give me pause about future Dragon Age games. Still, I give Bioware full credit for the main game, Origins, which was well worth the price and delivered a good rpg experience. Its a shame that it may turn out to be the high point of the series.

[Datolbrandir]

Jenocide wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Datolbrandir wrote...
Come on, where's the party camp? You can only really talk to people for the companion quests.

I'm just curious -- did you never find the dialogues that occur throughout the world? There are objects that will indicate a conversation can be started with a companion, and are not at all related to their quests.

personal i find the background talk between party members the best.
its become a staple of Bioware games and i love it.
though the lack of Magical hamster's is quite sad 

@ Mr Gaider: Yes, I did - statues, trees, vistats and such. Nice in
terms of backgrounds and motivations of party members, but that just
doesn't do it for me. I want more than that, somehow....

@ Jenocide: Get yourself the expansion and feel the wrath of Ser Pounce-a-lot. Makes for some of the most hillarious squabling....

[Datolbrandir]

greenface21 wrote...

I dont want to comment on the romances since that feels to spoiler-ish.

As for the story coming to a grinding halt... that is pure opinion. I thought it worked on fine and the build to the end as appropriate. You'll have to see for yourself.

The conversation system i think it works pretty well. I get the same amount of flavor from each character as I did in DAO . Actually i want more since IMO Awakening companions are so much more interesting lol, but its an expansion so you learn to live with it.

Maybe my feeling does indeed have to do something with the sequence of areas I visited - it was, kinda, like getting the last companion and then, five minutes later, there's the ending. Of course I'm overstating that, but it's just waaaay more abrupt than the build-up in Origins was, and that doesn't sit well with me. And for all those out there worrying about OMG only one ending: there is of course a multitude of epilogues, me having experienced only one - might well be there are some more satisfying combinations..

[Rixxencaxx]

party chatting in camp was one of the best things in dao.

I really didn't like the ME2 handling of relationships.

They are trying to bring that into dragon age so...mr gaider for the sake of bioware (in the long run) and of dragon age saka i really hope that expansion sales will be really really bad.

I know i know you hate me now but when will you grow up (cit.) you will think at this moment and be grateful for my comments...

[Rixxencaxx]

Rixxencaxx wrote...

party chatting in camp was one of the best things in dao.
I really didn't like the ME2 handling of relationships.
They are trying to bring that into dragon age so...mr gaider for the sake of bioware (in the long run) and of dragon age saka i really hope that expansion sales will be really really bad.
I know i know you hate me now but when will you grow up (cit.) you will think at this moment and be grateful for my comments...

err i mean...we all know that cost cutting is EA politc so...we all know that you love your games and care of every details...so...i mean....if EA think that every cheap crap with dragon age name bring a lot of money you will never have a good budget for the saga in the future (who want to spend a lot to develop a product if spending a lot less you have the same level of sales??)...so if awakeng will be a fail probably dao 2 will be better....more of the same Dao we all loved....

[AndreaDraco]

I guess it all depends on how they approached this issue. In ME2 characters didn't interact at all with each other - but here we know we have the party banter, so that particular issue should be covered. As for not being able to talk with the characters at any given time, even KotOR and Jade Empire had a similar approach (with the characters willing to talk only at certain points) and they were great games.



Surely, I loved DA:O approach and even the most meaningless conversations were great, but I guess that they indeed risked to become a little redundant after many playthroughs. Anyway, since I don't prefectly understand how this new system work, I'll withhold my final judgment.

[PSUHammer]

David Gaider wrote...

Morroian wrote...
So..........you're confirming that DA2 is scheduled for release less than a year from now. Woohoo!

Umm... no.

I'm saying that the size of any team that works on an expansion is small. If you gave a team that size a year to work on a project, you would end up with something the size of an expansion.

Perhaps it's best if I just left you folks to your business.

David, you should know better then to stir up the naysayers!  

They need SOMETHING to complain about, rational or not.  See, if it would have taken longer or had a bigger team, there would be something else they would have picked to moan about.

Nothing like whining after a single subjective review!  What a world! 

[PSUHammer]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

No, he really doesn't. He's just the writer.

Not "just" the writer...he is the LEAD writer!  (HE is Morrigan.  LOL!)

[Reaverwind]

empetus wrote...

I really appreciate this review. It sounds very honest and forthright detailing the good and bad about this expansion. Don't worry about your English, you did fine. I'd much rather read an honest review like this than a fan boy review that pretends its a masterpiece and glosses over all the drawbacks of the game, and I'm sure there will be plenty of those here in the days to come. It sounds like it was started as an ambitious project but then they had to wrap it up quickly so they threw together an ending as best they could. I'll be skipping this expansion for the time being, it sounds like another disappointment continuing in the vein of the other DLC.

I must say this is getting to be a disturbing pattern with the DLC stuff. Return To Ostager and Wardens Keep, now this is another example. It does sound like a money grab as another said and it does give me pause about future Dragon Age games. Still, I give Bioware full credit for the main game, Origins, which was well worth the price and delivered a good rpg experience. Its a shame that it may turn out to be the high point of the series.

Agreed. Reading this and another thread where it's recommended to read the books to even get anything out of the expansion's story has made us decide we'll definitely be passing on Awakenings.

[ShoepZA]

Booglarize wrote...

Kabraxal wrote...

greenface21 wrote...

I dont want to comment on the romances since that feels to spoiler-ish.

Can you PM the details please.  Whether or not I buy this expansion depends on the romance and story most of all.  If the romance isn't handled properly, then I will dismiss Awakenings. 

Same here. Well, I'll probably buy it eventually, but whether I get it right away or put it off for a month or so will hinge on how well this was handled. 

Quotes and users like this make me feel desperatly sorry for bioware employees

[Macadami]

I'm sorry...I've read both reviews that are up and for someone like me, it sounds like less than 10 hours total gameplay.

A lot of you keep saying 'Well that's ok for an expansion" $60 for full game, $50 for expansion. Money is all that matters and we obviously aren't getting 5/6ths of the original game here.

Would you guys pay $25 for a 1 hour dlc? What about $30? Would -that- be ok because it's DLC and not an expansion?

Dragon Age is a test to move single player games to pay to play, it's a marketing experiment and nothing more in my eyes. A test to determine how much they can make for adding so little.  They made BG1, BG2, and ToB, so I can't blame them for trying to make as much money as possible, but DA:O is not BG2 quality and that's where the root of the problem is.

Steady stream of lack luster DLC at $5 a pop, throw in some 'expansions' at $50 and now what they used to charge  an even $50 for, they can get close to 200.

Modifié par Macadami, 15 mars 2010 - 01:43 .

[Dragon Age1103]

It's good to know I'm not missing out on too much then. Thanks a lot for the review. I was going to fork over the extra cash but it doesn't seem worth it now, still plan to check out a few reviews though. I'll try to pick it up on sale some time.

Oh did you give a completion time in your review? I don't recall seeing one. Even 20 hours seems VERY short for such an expensive expansion.

[spirit-dog]

I'd be interested in hearing about what happens with the romances as well, espeically since I have to wait an extra few days for the game as a cost of living in Europe.

[Dragon Age1103]

Macadami wrote...

I'm sorry...I've read both reviews that are up and for someone like me, it sounds like less than 10 hours total gameplay.

A lot of you keep saying 'Well that's ok for an expansion" $60 for full game, $50 for expansion. Money is all that matters and we obviously aren't getting 5/6ths of the original game here.

Would you guys pay $25 for a 1 hour dlc? What about $30? Would -that- be ok because it's DLC and not an expansion?

Dragon Age is a test to move single player games to pay to play, it's a marketing experiment and nothing more in my eyes.

  yeah I agree. I got 80 hours out of Origins so why wouldn't I get at least 30 if not more from Awakening. I still plan on getting it but when it is in the $20 or less bin.

[Booglarize]

Wompoo wrote...


Heh, not me, the romances in DA:O were totally forgetable (felt like paying them for the service and asking for change), so bring on the new thank you very much. There were no romances in BG, BG2 yes and I still cringe when I hear Aerie's name... sugar over dose from her there.

Well, Aerie was basically just a kid - I still get serious pedo vibes from that one game where I chose to romance her. I was thinking more of Viconia - I have yet to see a single person who took the time to see how that romance unfolded and was not impressed by the quality of the writing. I heard Jaheria was really well-done too, but it bugged out for me the first time I played (one of the Harper subplots got caught in this weird infinite loop with that Dermin fellow showing up every few days and it got to the point where I had to boot her from my party). Also, most people (myself included), were quite happy with the way things from SoA were continued into ToB.

I though Morrigan came close to Viconia in terms of being a somewhat complex romance, with ebbs and flows if you chose to go down a longer 'nice-guy' route when talking to her. There even seemed to be some direct parallels - Viconia runs away after BGII, seemingly never to return, and that's basically what Morrigan does at the end of Origins, which is what made me hopeful about her eventual return. Now, people do seem pretty convinced that she is in fact coming back - the only thing I'm not sure about is whether my Origins character will still be in the picture when that happens. It would suck if he's not, I think.

[bluewolv1970]

BBow wrote...

Fair enough, Querne. I, too, read the FAQ section to build an opinion. I also agree that he definitely showed his fandom by creating this and it's obviously gone over well due to the number of posters reading and commenting, and granting the review 5 stars. My only point was that anybody reading this should still play the game for themselves and form their own opinion. I'm guilty of it, too. I've read reviews on games and movies alike and have formed opinions based on those reviews. I've also played wonderful games and seen great movies that did not get good reviews or even mediocre reviews. I simply noticed that a lot of people on here were reading and basing their purchasing decision on this one review. While I am not discounting anything this reviewer had to say, I am taking it for what it is: a review based on one person's opinion. Our tastes may be different, but I humbly respect that.

Except whe you get more than one reviewer having the SAME criticisms - bad ending, rushed, no continuity,limited dialogue,character story is over in this expansion - that is would be a concern as obviously most people playing the game are seeing the same things