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[Busomjack]

Luc0s wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

Maybe you should watch some Mythbusters. They already dismissed your claims. It's physically IMPOSSIBLE to deflect a bullet with a blade, unless it's only a handgun that's shooting the bullet, in a wind-free location, and you HAVE to hit the bullet with the cutting-side of the blade, else it will simply penetrade the steel of your blade and kill you anyway.

And even IF you deflect the bullet, it will shatter and the pieces will still fly at you at high speed. If you LUCKY, you'll only get minor wounds, but most likely you'll have shattered pieces of steel everywhere in your body.

You think you're the master of blades, then I'm the master of physics. I tell you, it's physically impossible.

Let me ask you, how many of those "mythbusters" actually tried deflecting a bullet with a sword?  The only reason they believe it is not possible is because they cannot do it themselves.  A master of the blade can feel the wind around him and factor that it when deflecting a bullet.  
A sword forged by a master swordsmith can withstand the impact of a bullet easily. 

The fact that I do believe it is possible is the reason why I know I will one day master the art entirely.  Nothing you say can persuade me otherwise for to do so would be a weakness on my part.

LOL! The Mythbusters tried it by placing the katana on a block and then hitting it with a gun straight-on.

Here is a video with proof to puth you out of your illusion:

www.youtube.com/watch

All that video proves is that the swordsmith's work is unworthy to be weld by a true warrior.

That was a true Japanese katana my friend, a blade that would cost you more then a luxury sports car. The blade they used it a blade you cannot afford.

The fact that the blade can be obtained by monetary means is proof that it is not a worthy one.  A worthy blade does not discriminate based on wealth, it chooses the master most worthy to wield it.

[Busomjack]

The old ways have not died out completely.  We earn money to survive, but our mastery of the arts is spiritual and must not ever be intertwined with the monetary world.

Also, you seem to have misunderstood.  The objective of bullet deflection is self explanitory.  The bullet is blocked with the blunt, not the edge of the blade.  The bullet is not cut in twine.

Modifié par Busomjack, 15 mars 2010 - 04:49 .

[Twitchmonkey]

Busomjack wrote...

The fact that the blade can be obtained by monetary means is proof that it is not a worthy one.  A worthy blade does not discriminate based on wealth, it chooses the master most worthy to wield it.

I have a wooden spoon in my cutlery drawer that has been talking to me lately, but it has been using racial slurs and stealing my liquor, do you have any recommendations for how to punch it into a diamond to remove this vengeful spirit from my dojo?

[Busomjack]

Jest all you want. I will prove the impossible and inspire an entire generation to embrace the ideals of a more enlightened time when the world was ruled by the sword.

The obstacles of doubt, and fear have long since been removed from my path.

[Busomjack]

Luc0s wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

The old ways have not died out completely.  We earn money to survive, but our mastery of the arts is spiritual and must not ever be intertwined with the monetary world.

Also, you seem to have misunderstood.  The objective of bullet deflection is self explanitory.  The bullet is blocked with the blunt, not the edge of the blade.  The bullet is not cut in twine.

HAHA, BLOCKING A BULLET WITH THE BLUNT!? Sir, are f*cking you crazy? ANY blade I tell you, will get PENERATED by the bullet as soon as it hits the blunt.

I've been honest with you, I told you you CAN "deflect" a bullet by cutting it, I've even show you it's possible. But if you really believe your blade is strong enough to deflect a bullet with the blunt I have to say you're f*cking crazy. Any bullet with puth a hole in your beloved blade.

You doubt it only because you haven't seen it.  How naive.  I have seen the impossible before and it has taught me that anything is possible.  It is your own doubt which is your limitation and why you will never be a true warrior.

[Nostradamoose]

Huh... Charge....

[Busomjack]

Luc0s wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

The old ways have not died out completely.  We earn money to survive, but our mastery of the arts is spiritual and must not ever be intertwined with the monetary world.

Also, you seem to have misunderstood.  The objective of bullet deflection is self explanitory.  The bullet is blocked with the blunt, not the edge of the blade.  The bullet is not cut in twine.

HAHA, BLOCKING A BULLET WITH THE BLUNT!? Sir, are f*cking you crazy? ANY blade I tell you, will get PENERATED by the bullet as soon as it hits the blunt.

I've been honest with you, I told you you CAN "deflect" a bullet by cutting it, I've even show you it's possible. But if you really believe your blade is strong enough to deflect a bullet with the blunt I have to say you're f*cking crazy. Any bullet with puth a hole in your beloved blade.

You doubt it only because you haven't seen it.  How naive.  I have seen the impossible before and it has taught me that anything is possible.  It is your own doubt which is your limitation and why you will never be a true warrior.

I doubt it because I actually payed attention during physics-class at highschool. It's physically impossible.

What do you think what would happen if a hot, 860 FEET PER SECOND flying bullet will hit the blunt of your sword?

It will A) penetrate the sword, break it or C) bend it, then shatter the blade.

If the cutting-edge of a blade breaks after hitting 7 bullets head-on, you can assume that the blunt of a blade will break after hitting only one bullet. It's not a matter of skill of good craftmanship, it's a matter of knowing the maths behind physics and knowing that hitting the blunt of a blade will always break or penetrade it, no matter what kind of steel you'll use.

Just because you have not seen a blade worthy enough to be wielded by a bullet deflecting master does not mean one doesn't exist.  The swords do exist and they are not obtainable by those not worthy to wield them.

I train in hopes of one day being found worthy enough to have the honor of such a masterpiece of uniting with me, or die trying.

Modifié par Busomjack, 15 mars 2010 - 05:07 .

[Busomjack]

Luc0s wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

The old ways have not died out completely.  We earn money to survive, but our mastery of the arts is spiritual and must not ever be intertwined with the monetary world.

Also, you seem to have misunderstood.  The objective of bullet deflection is self explanitory.  The bullet is blocked with the blunt, not the edge of the blade.  The bullet is not cut in twine.

HAHA, BLOCKING A BULLET WITH THE BLUNT!? Sir, are f*cking you crazy? ANY blade I tell you, will get PENERATED by the bullet as soon as it hits the blunt.

I've been honest with you, I told you you CAN "deflect" a bullet by cutting it, I've even show you it's possible. But if you really believe your blade is strong enough to deflect a bullet with the blunt I have to say you're f*cking crazy. Any bullet with puth a hole in your beloved blade.

You doubt it only because you haven't seen it.  How naive.  I have seen the impossible before and it has taught me that anything is possible.  It is your own doubt which is your limitation and why you will never be a true warrior.

I doubt it because I actually payed attention during physics-class at highschool. It's physically impossible.

What do you think what would happen if a hot, 860 FEET PER SECOND flying bullet will hit the blunt of your sword?

It will A) penetrate the sword, break it or C) bend it, then shatter the blade.

If the cutting-edge of a blade breaks after hitting 7 bullets head-on, you can assume that the blunt of a blade will break after hitting only one bullet. It's not a matter of skill of good craftmanship, it's a matter of knowing the maths behind physics and knowing that hitting the blunt of a blade will always break or penetrade it, no matter what kind of steel you'll use.

Just because you have not seen a blade worthy enough to be wielded by a bullet deflecting master does not mean one doesn't exist.  The swords do exist and they are not obtainable by those not worthy to wield them.

I train in hopes of one day being found worthy enough to have the honor of such a masterpiece of uniting with this weapon, or die trying.

It's not about worth smartass, it's about not a single kind of steel in the shape of a katana has the right mass to be able to deflect a bullet. It's all about physics, idiot.

Such physics only apply to weapons forged by those who are unworthy to have their work embraced by a true master.
The weapon of he who has mastered the art of the blade shall reflect the swordsman's unshatterable resolve and thus will be virtually invulnerable.

[Mr.Skar]

Busomjack wrote...

The old ways have not died out completely.  We earn money to survive, but our mastery of the arts is spiritual and must not ever be intertwined with the monetary world.

BS. Our "mastery of the arts" is physical. It is used to better ourselves through hard training and fighting. It is by nature a physical thing. The mental aspects (discipline and the like) are a bonus. Men and women who have earned their knowledge have every right to ask money from you before they teach you. Don't assume that martial arts instructors are money grubbing fools, they are often underpaid. It is a struggle for all but the biggest schools to "make it".

[Twitchmonkey]

Busomjack wrote...

Such physics only apply to weapons forged by those who are unworthy to have their work embraced by a true master.
The weapon of he who has mastered the art of the blade shall reflect the swordsman's unshatterable resolve and thus will be virtually invulnerable.

I have a motorcycle made of resolve. Damn thing is chi hog, but I'm having it retrofitted to run on karma.

[Mr.Skar]

Twitchmonkey wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

Such physics only apply to weapons forged by those who are unworthy to have their work embraced by a true master.
The weapon of he who has mastered the art of the blade shall reflect the swordsman's unshatterable resolve and thus will be virtually invulnerable.

I have a motorcycle made of resolve. Damn thing is chi hog, but I'm having it retrofitted to run on karma.

You should switch to Ki. It's Japanese and thus superior to cheap Chinese Chi.

[Busomjack]

Mr.Skar wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

The old ways have not died out completely.  We earn money to survive, but our mastery of the arts is spiritual and must not ever be intertwined with the monetary world.

BS. Our "mastery of the arts" is physical. It is used to better ourselves through hard training and fighting. It is by nature a physical thing. The mental aspects (discipline and the like) are a bonus. Men and women who have earned their knowledge have every right to ask money from you before they teach you. Don't assume that martial arts instructors are money grubbing fools, they are often underpaid. It is a struggle for all but the biggest schools to "make it".

The physical aspect of the arts is a reflection of our inner strength forged by the wisdom of our ancestors as refined by the unshakable will and desire to strive ever closer to perfection.  True practitioners of this art are not driven by monetary gain, we seek only to perserve the teachings of old.  How can we effectively propagate our wisdom if we demand a salary? 
Our cause is no more monetary than that of any faith.  The very premise of a martial arts school that runs on money is inherently flawed as the art of fighting is one that not every person is worthy of.  They must prove that worth through both physical and spiritual resolve and endurance. 
Eliminating that standard and replacing it with money is a disgrace to the arts, teachings and to the spirits of our ancestors.

[Twitchmonkey]

MrHimuraChan wrote...
Premium or unleaded karma?

Cosmic, it costs a little more, but true masters find a way.

[Busomjack]

Luc0s wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

The old ways have not died out completely.  We earn money to survive, but our mastery of the arts is spiritual and must not ever be intertwined with the monetary world.

Also, you seem to have misunderstood.  The objective of bullet deflection is self explanitory.  The bullet is blocked with the blunt, not the edge of the blade.  The bullet is not cut in twine.

HAHA, BLOCKING A BULLET WITH THE BLUNT!? Sir, are f*cking you crazy? ANY blade I tell you, will get PENERATED by the bullet as soon as it hits the blunt.

I've been honest with you, I told you you CAN "deflect" a bullet by cutting it, I've even show you it's possible. But if you really believe your blade is strong enough to deflect a bullet with the blunt I have to say you're f*cking crazy. Any bullet with puth a hole in your beloved blade.

You doubt it only because you haven't seen it.  How naive.  I have seen the impossible before and it has taught me that anything is possible.  It is your own doubt which is your limitation and why you will never be a true warrior.

I doubt it because I actually payed attention during physics-class at highschool. It's physically impossible.

What do you think what would happen if a hot, 860 FEET PER SECOND flying bullet will hit the blunt of your sword?

It will A) penetrate the sword, break it or C) bend it, then shatter the blade.

If the cutting-edge of a blade breaks after hitting 7 bullets head-on, you can assume that the blunt of a blade will break after hitting only one bullet. It's not a matter of skill of good craftmanship, it's a matter of knowing the maths behind physics and knowing that hitting the blunt of a blade will always break or penetrade it, no matter what kind of steel you'll use.

Just because you have not seen a blade worthy enough to be wielded by a bullet deflecting master does not mean one doesn't exist.  The swords do exist and they are not obtainable by those not worthy to wield them.

I train in hopes of one day being found worthy enough to have the honor of such a masterpiece of uniting with this weapon, or die trying.

It's not about worth smartass, it's about not a single kind of steel in the shape of a katana has the right mass to be able to deflect a bullet. It's all about physics, idiot.

Such physics only apply to weapons forged by those who are unworthy to have their work embraced by a true master.
The weapon of he who has mastered the art of the blade shall reflect the swordsman's unshatterable resolve and thus will be virtually invulnerable.

You really don't get it do you? I'll rephrase myself so simple that even an idiot like you will understand it.

Every material has a "mass".
Mass defined the density of the material.
If an object wants to stop a flying bullet, you have to take two things into mind.
1) The thickness of the object.
2) The mass, in other word the density of the material from which the object is made.
A katana is usually about 2mm thick.
Okay, now comes the hard part, but even you should understand this:

So lets say you have a katana with the mass/density of 7.85g/cm3 (the most dense kind of steel you can get) and the katana is 2mm thick, it's still not good enough to stop the bullet. The bullet with go straight through it, no matter how good the blade is, it will always have the maximum density of 7.85g/cm3, not a single kind of metal with a bigger mass than that exists on our world.

I don't think you get it.  Most modern day katanas are not capable of deflecting bullets since their use as a weapon has long since fell out of conventional use and they exist today largely as ceremonial pieces.  The craftmanship of the Katanas of old during the days of the samurai were capable of deflecting bullets and had a greater mass than modern day Katanas.
The art of crafting such a weapon has been lost to almost all except for the most skilled of craftsman.  It is the goal of every aspiring blade master to one day be worthy to wield such a weapon.

[Mr.Skar]

Busomjack wrote...

Mr.Skar wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

The old ways have not died out completely.  We earn money to survive, but our mastery of the arts is spiritual and must not ever be intertwined with the monetary world.

BS. Our "mastery of the arts" is physical. It is used to better ourselves through hard training and fighting. It is by nature a physical thing. The mental aspects (discipline and the like) are a bonus. Men and women who have earned their knowledge have every right to ask money from you before they teach you. Don't assume that martial arts instructors are money grubbing fools, they are often underpaid. It is a struggle for all but the biggest schools to "make it".

The physical aspect of the arts is a reflection of our inner strength forged by the wisdom of our ancestors as refined by the unshakable will and desire to strive ever closer to perfection.  True practitioners of this art are not driven by monetary gain, we seek only to perserve the teachings of old.  How can we effectively propagate our wisdom if we demand a salary? 
Our cause is no more monetary than that of any faith.  The very premise of a martial arts school that runs on money is inherently flawed as the art of fighting is one that not every person is worthy of.  They must prove that worth through both physical and spiritual resolve and endurance. 
Eliminating that standard and replacing it with money is a disgrace to the arts, teachings and to the spirits of our ancestors.

This is some truly brilliant crap. Do you really believe that, or is this just an excuse to not train? If you can't afford it, that's cool it happens (once you factor in gas money, equipment, tournament fees, and your schools dues things can get expensive). But this is not a faith, just some misguided mysticism that has no place in the fighting arts.

I am getting more and more convinced that you are the most astounding troll I have ever encountered on these (or any) forums. I'm not sure yet, guess I'll just keep watching this thread and see what happens.

[Busomjack]

Mr.Skar wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

Mr.Skar wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

The old ways have not died out completely.  We earn money to survive, but our mastery of the arts is spiritual and must not ever be intertwined with the monetary world.

BS. Our "mastery of the arts" is physical. It is used to better ourselves through hard training and fighting. It is by nature a physical thing. The mental aspects (discipline and the like) are a bonus. Men and women who have earned their knowledge have every right to ask money from you before they teach you. Don't assume that martial arts instructors are money grubbing fools, they are often underpaid. It is a struggle for all but the biggest schools to "make it".

The physical aspect of the arts is a reflection of our inner strength forged by the wisdom of our ancestors as refined by the unshakable will and desire to strive ever closer to perfection.  True practitioners of this art are not driven by monetary gain, we seek only to perserve the teachings of old.  How can we effectively propagate our wisdom if we demand a salary? 
Our cause is no more monetary than that of any faith.  The very premise of a martial arts school that runs on money is inherently flawed as the art of fighting is one that not every person is worthy of.  They must prove that worth through both physical and spiritual resolve and endurance. 
Eliminating that standard and replacing it with money is a disgrace to the arts, teachings and to the spirits of our ancestors.

This is some truly brilliant crap. Do you really believe that, or is this just an excuse to not train? If you can't afford it, that's cool it happens (once you factor in gas money, equipment, tournament fees, and your schools dues things can get expensive). But this is not a faith, just some misguided mysticism that has no place in the fighting arts.

I am getting more and more convinced that you are the most astounding troll I have ever encountered on these (or any) forums. I'm not sure yet, guess I'll just keep watching this thread and see what happens.

You question my wisdom yet not even once do you bother to ask yourself why the arts have vanished.  When you treat knowledge as a comodity to be bought and sold, then you limit it's access to only those with sufficient income.  Who knows how many people with sleeping dragons have never had the chance to awaken due to this marketing of an art.  It is a shame, and a disgrace that you hide under the veil of a martial artists while promoting such a travesty.

[Twitchmonkey]

Mr.Skar wrote...
This is some truly brilliant crap. Do you really believe that, or is this just an excuse to not train? If you can't afford it, that's cool it happens (once you factor in gas money, equipment, tournament fees, and your schools dues things can get expensive). But this is not a faith, just some misguided mysticism that has no place in the fighting arts.

I am getting more and more convinced that you are the most astounding troll I have ever encountered on these (or any) forums. I'm not sure yet, guess I'll just keep watching this thread and see what happens.

I was convinced that he's just a really good troll, but he may in fact really be hopelessly delusional. The line can be so thin. It's best when it's thin.