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[Busomjack]

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The old ways have not died out completely.  We earn money to survive, but our mastery of the arts is spiritual and must not ever be intertwined with the monetary world.

Also, you seem to have misunderstood.  The objective of bullet deflection is self explanitory.  The bullet is blocked with the blunt, not the edge of the blade.  The bullet is not cut in twine.

HAHA, BLOCKING A BULLET WITH THE BLUNT!? Sir, are f*cking you crazy? ANY blade I tell you, will get PENERATED by the bullet as soon as it hits the blunt.

I've been honest with you, I told you you CAN "deflect" a bullet by cutting it, I've even show you it's possible. But if you really believe your blade is strong enough to deflect a bullet with the blunt I have to say you're f*cking crazy. Any bullet with puth a hole in your beloved blade.

You doubt it only because you haven't seen it.  How naive.  I have seen the impossible before and it has taught me that anything is possible.  It is your own doubt which is your limitation and why you will never be a true warrior.

I doubt it because I actually payed attention during physics-class at highschool. It's physically impossible.

What do you think what would happen if a hot, 860 FEET PER SECOND flying bullet will hit the blunt of your sword?

It will A) penetrate the sword, break it or C) bend it, then shatter the blade.

If the cutting-edge of a blade breaks after hitting 7 bullets head-on, you can assume that the blunt of a blade will break after hitting only one bullet. It's not a matter of skill of good craftmanship, it's a matter of knowing the maths behind physics and knowing that hitting the blunt of a blade will always break or penetrade it, no matter what kind of steel you'll use.

Just because you have not seen a blade worthy enough to be wielded by a bullet deflecting master does not mean one doesn't exist.  The swords do exist and they are not obtainable by those not worthy to wield them.

I train in hopes of one day being found worthy enough to have the honor of such a masterpiece of uniting with this weapon, or die trying.

It's not about worth smartass, it's about not a single kind of steel in the shape of a katana has the right mass to be able to deflect a bullet. It's all about physics, idiot.

Such physics only apply to weapons forged by those who are unworthy to have their work embraced by a true master.
The weapon of he who has mastered the art of the blade shall reflect the swordsman's unshatterable resolve and thus will be virtually invulnerable.

You really don't get it do you? I'll rephrase myself so simple that even an idiot like you will understand it.

Every material has a "mass".
Mass defined the density of the material.
If an object wants to stop a flying bullet, you have to take two things into mind.
1) The thickness of the object.
2) The mass, in other word the density of the material from which the object is made.
A katana is usually about 2mm thick.
Okay, now comes the hard part, but even you should understand this:

So lets say you have a katana with the mass/density of 7.85g/cm3 (the most dense kind of steel you can get) and the katana is 2mm thick, it's still not good enough to stop the bullet. The bullet with go straight through it, no matter how good the blade is, it will always have the maximum density of 7.85g/cm3, not a single kind of metal with a bigger mass than that exists on our world.

I don't think you get it.  Most modern day katanas are not capable of deflecting bullets since their use as a weapon has long since fell out of conventional use and they exist today largely as ceremonial pieces.  The craftmanship of the Katanas of old during the days of the samurai were capable of deflecting bullets and had a greater mass than modern day Katanas.
The art of crafting such a weapon has been lost to almost all except for the most skilled of craftsman.  It is the goal of every aspiring blade master to one day be worthy to wield such a weapon.

You are really to stupid to read.

Carbon steel with a mass of 7.85g/cm3 is the STRONGEST KIND OF CARBON STEEL ON EARTH.
Katana's have always been made from carbon steel, at least every TRUE katana. You're talking to a Japan-culture freak here, I know everything about anything typical Japanese, including katana's.

So even with the strongest kind of carbon steel possible, the katana is still not strong enough to deflect a bullet. You'll a piece of carbon steel that's at least a few centimeters thick to stop a bullet, while a katana is only 1.2mm to 2mm thick.

Ironic you question my literacy when you ignored the point that it's craftmanship that is the reason why modern day swords cannot deflect bullets.  During the twilight years of the Samurai, master swordsmiths could craft blades with enough durability to withstand even the most powerful of guns.  Specifically, they were wider and heavier than modern day Katanas which are more ceremonial pieces than actual weapons.
The art of crafting these weapons is all but lost, yet there still remain a handful of master smiths scattered in pockets of Eastern Asia who retain the skill brought down by their ancestors so that they may provide weapons for those who prove themselves worthy.

[Mr.Skar]

Busomjack wrote...

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Busomjack wrote...

The old ways have not died out completely.  We earn money to survive, but our mastery of the arts is spiritual and must not ever be intertwined with the monetary world.

BS. Our "mastery of the arts" is physical. It is used to better ourselves through hard training and fighting. It is by nature a physical thing. The mental aspects (discipline and the like) are a bonus. Men and women who have earned their knowledge have every right to ask money from you before they teach you. Don't assume that martial arts instructors are money grubbing fools, they are often underpaid. It is a struggle for all but the biggest schools to "make it".

The physical aspect of the arts is a reflection of our inner strength forged by the wisdom of our ancestors as refined by the unshakable will and desire to strive ever closer to perfection.  True practitioners of this art are not driven by monetary gain, we seek only to perserve the teachings of old.  How can we effectively propagate our wisdom if we demand a salary? 
Our cause is no more monetary than that of any faith.  The very premise of a martial arts school that runs on money is inherently flawed as the art of fighting is one that not every person is worthy of.  They must prove that worth through both physical and spiritual resolve and endurance. 
Eliminating that standard and replacing it with money is a disgrace to the arts, teachings and to the spirits of our ancestors.

This is some truly brilliant crap. Do you really believe that, or is this just an excuse to not train? If you can't afford it, that's cool it happens (once you factor in gas money, equipment, tournament fees, and your schools dues things can get expensive). But this is not a faith, just some misguided mysticism that has no place in the fighting arts.

I am getting more and more convinced that you are the most astounding troll I have ever encountered on these (or any) forums. I'm not sure yet, guess I'll just keep watching this thread and see what happens.

You question my wisdom yet not even once do you bother to ask yourself why the arts have vanished.  When you treat knowledge as a comodity to be bought and sold, then you limit it's access to only those with sufficient income.  Who knows how many people with sleeping dragons have never had the chance to awaken due to this marketing of an art.  It is a shame, and a disgrace that you hide under the veil of a martial artists while promoting such a travesty.

So people like Erik Paulson o f Combat Submission Wrestling, a widely respected MMA caoch don't deserve money for what they do? Or Mauricio "Tinguinha"  Mariano, skilled BJJ black belt, the Gracies (Rickson and the folks), the myriad of skilled boxing/kickboxing/Muay Thai coaches, shouldn't be allowed to earn money for something they love? How is that a bad thing, so long as  they encourage hard sparring and alive training?

[Busomjack]

Mr.Skar wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

Mr.Skar wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

Mr.Skar wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

The old ways have not died out completely.  We earn money to survive, but our mastery of the arts is spiritual and must not ever be intertwined with the monetary world.

BS. Our "mastery of the arts" is physical. It is used to better ourselves through hard training and fighting. It is by nature a physical thing. The mental aspects (discipline and the like) are a bonus. Men and women who have earned their knowledge have every right to ask money from you before they teach you. Don't assume that martial arts instructors are money grubbing fools, they are often underpaid. It is a struggle for all but the biggest schools to "make it".

The physical aspect of the arts is a reflection of our inner strength forged by the wisdom of our ancestors as refined by the unshakable will and desire to strive ever closer to perfection.  True practitioners of this art are not driven by monetary gain, we seek only to perserve the teachings of old.  How can we effectively propagate our wisdom if we demand a salary? 
Our cause is no more monetary than that of any faith.  The very premise of a martial arts school that runs on money is inherently flawed as the art of fighting is one that not every person is worthy of.  They must prove that worth through both physical and spiritual resolve and endurance. 
Eliminating that standard and replacing it with money is a disgrace to the arts, teachings and to the spirits of our ancestors.

This is some truly brilliant crap. Do you really believe that, or is this just an excuse to not train? If you can't afford it, that's cool it happens (once you factor in gas money, equipment, tournament fees, and your schools dues things can get expensive). But this is not a faith, just some misguided mysticism that has no place in the fighting arts.

I am getting more and more convinced that you are the most astounding troll I have ever encountered on these (or any) forums. I'm not sure yet, guess I'll just keep watching this thread and see what happens.

You question my wisdom yet not even once do you bother to ask yourself why the arts have vanished.  When you treat knowledge as a comodity to be bought and sold, then you limit it's access to only those with sufficient income.  Who knows how many people with sleeping dragons have never had the chance to awaken due to this marketing of an art.  It is a shame, and a disgrace that you hide under the veil of a martial artists while promoting such a travesty.

So people like Erik Paulson o f Combat Submission Wrestling, a widely respected MMA caoch don't deserve money for what they do? Or Mauricio "Tinguinha"  Mariano, skilled BJJ black belt, the Gracies (Rickson and the folks), the myriad of skilled boxing/kickboxing/Muay Thai coaches, shouldn't be allowed to earn money for something they love? How is that a bad thing, so long as  they encourage hard sparring and alive training?

If they turn down worthy pupils soley based on their income, then yes.  They are all disgraces and I hope justice is brought to them when the world is once again ruled by the sword.

[Busomjack]

Luc0s wrote...

"The katana's unique design and in particular its sharpness necessitate quite a few specialized precautions to handle it. Failure to observe these precautions can easily lead to damage to the weapon or severe injury."

And you're planning to deflect a f*cking bullet with the blunt of it?

Damn, I wonder if you even RESPECT your own katana. I know I do and I know I would NEVER use my 1200dollar baby (in fact quite cheap for a real katana) on a bullet.

That "unique design" you refer to refers to a weapon which is only a mere shadow of it's former self.  The Katana of a true blade master does not fear any bullet.

Modifié par Busomjack, 15 mars 2010 - 05:40 .

[Mr.Skar]

I...you...huh?



There is just no way man, no way this is for real.

[Busomjack]

Mr.Skar wrote...

I...you...huh?

There is just no way man, no way this is for real.

The fact that you don't believe it is the reason why you will never be a true warrior.

[Busomjack]

Luc0s wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

Ironic you question my literacy when you ignored the point that it's craftmanship that is the reason why modern day swords cannot deflect bullets.  During the twilight years of the Samurai, master swordsmiths could craft blades with enough durability to withstand even the most powerful of guns.  Specifically, they were wider and heavier than modern day Katanas which are more ceremonial pieces than actual weapons.
The art of crafting these weapons is all but lost, yet there still remain a handful of master smiths scattered in pockets of Eastern Asia who retain the skill brought down by their ancestors so that they may provide weapons for those who prove themselves worthy.

craftmanship =/= physics

Not a single craftman on earth can change the fact that strong carbon steel is 7.85g/cm3. Wake THE F*CK up.

" Specifically, they were wider and heavier than modern day Katanas which
are more ceremonial pieces than actual weapons."

Lol SEE you clearly don't know **** about katanas.

True katanas used for battles are in fact LIGHTER then ceremonial or decorative katana's. A true katana is as strong but as light as possible, so it can be used swift and easily in battles. That's why they use a special kind of crafting for true katana's, that takes a LOT of time, work and money. True katana's are made with "Tamahagane", a light but strong kind of carbon steel. Decorative katana's are not made with "Tahamagane carbon steel", they use regular steel for those, which is heavier AND weaker.

We are not speaking to the common cannon fodder weapontry issued to your common soldier.  The blade masters and elite Samurai of old have always been numbered due to how few who have the skill, and resolve to achieve such an extraordinary feat of strength.
The blades I refer to were heavier but that was not an issue for those who have mastered their bodies and reached the peak of human physical performance. 
The Katanas could weigh over 200 lbs yet still be wielded as if they were made out of plastic.  The fact that you don't believe it possible is why you will never truly master the ways of the blade.

[Mr.Skar]

Busomjack wrote...

Mr.Skar wrote...

I...you...huh?

There is just no way man, no way this is for real.

The fact that you don't believe it is the reason why you will never be a true warrior.

Now I am convinced that you're trolling.

Good luck with that true warrior thing by the way. Don't get hurt aight?

[Busomjack]

Mr.Skar wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

Mr.Skar wrote...

I...you...huh?

There is just no way man, no way this is for real.

The fact that you don't believe it is the reason why you will never be a true warrior.

Now I am convinced that you're trolling.

Good luck with that true warrior thing by the way. Don't get hurt aight?

I do hope we never cross paths.  Your arrogance has vexed me to the point where I may feel a sliver of temptation to violate the tenets I hold sacred.

[Busomjack]

Luc0s wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

Ironic you question my literacy when you ignored the point that it's craftmanship that is the reason why modern day swords cannot deflect bullets.  During the twilight years of the Samurai, master swordsmiths could craft blades with enough durability to withstand even the most powerful of guns.  Specifically, they were wider and heavier than modern day Katanas which are more ceremonial pieces than actual weapons.
The art of crafting these weapons is all but lost, yet there still remain a handful of master smiths scattered in pockets of Eastern Asia who retain the skill brought down by their ancestors so that they may provide weapons for those who prove themselves worthy.

craftmanship =/= physics

Not a single craftman on earth can change the fact that strong carbon steel is 7.85g/cm3. Wake THE F*CK up.

" Specifically, they were wider and heavier than modern day Katanas which
are more ceremonial pieces than actual weapons."

Lol SEE you clearly don't know **** about katanas.

True katanas used for battles are in fact LIGHTER then ceremonial or decorative katana's. A true katana is as strong but as light as possible, so it can be used swift and easily in battles. That's why they use a special kind of crafting for true katana's, that takes a LOT of time, work and money. True katana's are made with "Tamahagane", a light but strong kind of carbon steel. Decorative katana's are not made with "Tahamagane carbon steel", they use regular steel for those, which is heavier AND weaker.

We are not speaking to the common cannon fodder weapontry issued to your common soldier.  The blade masters and elite Samurai of old have always been numbered due to how few who have the skill, and resolve to achieve such an extraordinary feat of strength.
The blades I refer to were heavier but that was not an issue for those who have mastered their bodies and reached the peak of human physical performance. 
The Katanas could weigh over 200 lbs yet still be wielded as if they were made out of plastic.  The fact that you don't believe it possible is why you will never truly master the ways of the blade.

Proof it. Because you're clearly lying (aka trolling) OR you really are a f*cking moron (or both).

There is no stronger type of steel usable for blades than Tamahagane. You didn't knew this and you're clearly less educated on this subject then I am.

I rest my case unless you have some valid evidence I'm wrong.

Knowledge may not be a monetary commodity, but it is not something one is just entitled to either.  Your utter lack of respect for the traditional ways and your impudence has not earned you the right to learn the specifics of the ancient arts.

Perhaps once you've acknowledged me or another aspiring blade master as your better and proven yourself worthy through your skill will you be taught the secrets of the blade master's sword.

Modifié par Busomjack, 15 mars 2010 - 05:54 .

[Busomjack]

Luc0s wrote...

PS: Katana's made with Tamahagane are no swords used by "regular" soldiers you moron.
To be able to make a Tamahagane katana you need a lot of training. You literally have to become a sword craftsman MASTER. Only true sword-masters could make Tamahagane katana's and only true warriors could afford swords from these masters.

And unfortunately for these warriors, even a Tamahagane sword can't deflect a bullet.

Ha!  The so called "sword masters" you speak of are peons compared to the sword masters of old.  They couldn't even tread water.
As I said, only a few handfuls of true sword masters remain, their skill forged by the wisdom of their ancestors so they may craft the weapons worthy of a true blade master.

[Mr.Skar]

Busomjack wrote...

Mr.Skar wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

Mr.Skar wrote...

I...you...huh?

There is just no way man, no way this is for real.

The fact that you don't believe it is the reason why you will never be a true warrior.

Now I am convinced that you're trolling.

Good luck with that true warrior thing by the way. Don't get hurt aight?

I do hope we never cross paths.  Your arrogance has vexed me to the point where I may feel a sliver of temptation to violate the tenets I hold sacred.

Not being arrogant, just saying that I wish you well in your pursuit and hope you don't get hurt (literally, having trained with injured shoulders/ankles/etc I know that it sucks). Do you always respond this way to people?

[Busomjack]

Luc0s wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

Proof it. Because you're clearly lying (aka trolling) OR you really are a f*cking moron (or both).

There is no stronger type of steel usable for blades than Tamahagane. You didn't knew this and you're clearly less educated on this subject then I am.

I rest my case unless you have some valid evidence I'm wrong.

Knowledge may not be a monetary commodity, but it is not something one is just entitled to either.  Your utter lack of respect for the traditional ways and your impudence has not earned you the right to learn the specifics of the ancient arts.

Perhaps once you've acknowledged me or another aspiring blade master as your better and proven yourself worthy through your skill will you be taught the secrets of the blade master's sword.

You're full of ****.

Baka itte'n na yo, baka yaro!

How ironic, a fool calling someone else a fool.

[Busomjack]

Mr.Skar wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

Mr.Skar wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

Mr.Skar wrote...

I...you...huh?

There is just no way man, no way this is for real.

The fact that you don't believe it is the reason why you will never be a true warrior.

Now I am convinced that you're trolling.

Good luck with that true warrior thing by the way. Don't get hurt aight?

I do hope we never cross paths.  Your arrogance has vexed me to the point where I may feel a sliver of temptation to violate the tenets I hold sacred.

Not being arrogant, just saying that I wish you well in your pursuit and hope you don't get hurt (literally, having trained with injured shoulders/ankles/etc I know that it sucks). Do you always respond this way to people?

A true warrior is apathetic towards the wishes of others.  All that matters to a warrior is pefecting his strength and skill while delivering justice to the wicked.  We cannot afford to let our iron resolve be influenced by the opinions of others.

[valkyrie0]

Subject: Busomjack. Clearly shows narcissistic personality disorder with a bit of schizophrenia... Good grammar, though.

[Busomjack]

Luc0s wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

PS: Katana's made with Tamahagane are no swords used by "regular" soldiers you moron.
To be able to make a Tamahagane katana you need a lot of training. You literally have to become a sword craftsman MASTER. Only true sword-masters could make Tamahagane katana's and only true warriors could afford swords from these masters.

And unfortunately for these warriors, even a Tamahagane sword can't deflect a bullet.

Ha!  The so called "sword masters" you speak of are peons compared to the sword masters of old.  They couldn't even tread water.
As I said, only a few handfuls of true sword masters remain, their skill forged by the wisdom of their ancestors so they may craft the weapons worthy of a true blade master.

And even your imaginary "masters of old" can't change the fact that no sword on the planet is able to deflect a bullet. Period. Wake up, idiot.

It is imaginary only to the fool who isn't worthy to wield such a weapon and it is preferable that way as one who isn't worthy is best not knowing of it's existence and getting false hopes of ever acquiring one.

[Mr.Skar]

Busomjack wrote...

Mr.Skar wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

Mr.Skar wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

Mr.Skar wrote...

I...you...huh?

There is just no way man, no way this is for real.

The fact that you don't believe it is the reason why you will never be a true warrior.

Now I am convinced that you're trolling.

Good luck with that true warrior thing by the way. Don't get hurt aight?

I do hope we never cross paths.  Your arrogance has vexed me to the point where I may feel a sliver of temptation to violate the tenets I hold sacred.

Not being arrogant, just saying that I wish you well in your pursuit and hope you don't get hurt (literally, having trained with injured shoulders/ankles/etc I know that it sucks). Do you always respond this way to people?

A true warrior is apathetic towards the wishes of others.  All that matters to a warrior is pefecting his strength and skill while delivering justice to the wicked.  We cannot afford to let our iron resolve be influenced by the opinions of others.

And with that, I think we're finished here. I repeat my well wishes and hope you avoid injury in the future.

[Busomjack]

Luc0s wrote...

PS: Make a youtube video and show your blade up close. I KNOW a good crafted blade when I SEE one. I'm sure yours is not a 1st grade katana crafted by a sword-master.

I will be the first to admit that I do not own a quality blade for I am not yet worthy to wield one.  My blade is only good enough to serve as practice so that I may take the next stepping stone towards becoming a true blade master.
When the time comes I shall meet with other blade masters whom I shall test my prowess against in hopes of proving the most worthy so I can make my ascent into blade master hood.

Skill-wise I am an adolescent.