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[Jenocide]

Livemmo wrote...

5Warlocks wrote...

There are good community modules? Sounds fun, got any examples? I haven't heard of anything being advertised like the better NWN player-mades were.

http://www.dragonagenexus.com

The community itself has put out alot of stuff including really nice armor, weapons, 'realistic' body mods, and a few nice locations/story mods. Yes, it would take some nice voice acting and a small group to create something like RTO, but its very possible with the toolset. I think I seen someone working on a return to highever mod, though Im assuming thats still a far ways out. The template is up on that site though.

nwnvault was better,
Nexus is always putting out good mods though.

[Baconmonster723]

Shipwr3K wrote...

Baconmonster723 wrote...

Bioshock 20-25 hours for 1, 16-18 hours for 2

Assassin's Creed 12-15 hours for number 1, 20-25 for number 2

These are both games I liked, all of them were based on personal playtimes for each game, all of them were full games that I paid 60 dollars to get. Therefore, with Awakening being 15-20 hours on your initial playthrough, in my mind 40 dollars is fine. I may be a little pricey but I'm definitely going to support Bioware.

they are not rpgs. 

Fair point.  I'm just saying.  I've paid more for similar or less playtime.  And less replayability.  Therefore, on the whole it is worth it.  Just my opinion of course.

[Jenocide]

Baconmonster723 wrote...

Shipwr3K wrote...

Baconmonster723 wrote...

Bioshock 20-25 hours for 1, 16-18 hours for 2

Assassin's Creed 12-15 hours for number 1, 20-25 for number 2

These are both games I liked, all of them were based on personal playtimes for each game, all of them were full games that I paid 60 dollars to get. Therefore, with Awakening being 15-20 hours on your initial playthrough, in my mind 40 dollars is fine. I may be a little pricey but I'm definitely going to support Bioware.

they are not rpgs. 

Fair point.  I'm just saying.  I've paid more for similar or less playtime.  And less replayability.  Therefore, on the whole it is worth it.  Just my opinion of course.

agreed.
what it comes down too is do you enjoy DA:O? and do you wanna see the major story move on to the next part?

if yes then price is really no importance 

its like reading a Book series

[ladydesire]

Livemmo wrote...

 From the reviews I've read and the videos I've seen, it really just seems like Bioware dropped the ball on this one and dare I say rushed it out the door?

If working on it for at least a year is "rushed it out the door", yes. :innocent:

[Shipwr3K]

Baconmonster723 wrote...

Shipwr3K wrote...

Baconmonster723 wrote...

Bioshock 20-25 hours for 1, 16-18 hours for 2

Assassin's Creed 12-15 hours for number 1, 20-25 for number 2

These are both games I liked, all of them were based on personal playtimes for each game, all of them were full games that I paid 60 dollars to get. Therefore, with Awakening being 15-20 hours on your initial playthrough, in my mind 40 dollars is fine. I may be a little pricey but I'm definitely going to support Bioware.

they are not rpgs. 

Fair point.  I'm just saying.  I've paid more for similar or less playtime.  And less replayability.  Therefore, on the whole it is worth it.  Just my opinion of course.

haha, I have had awakening on pre order since january.  I am not arguing the price. After all you pay for what you want and prefer. I have clocked more hours on mw2 than any other rpg haha.

[Burningwolf]

Piad for mine the middle of febuary.On steam.Humm I wonder if its up for predownload yet...
**goes off to look**

Nope.As of 20:53 EST 3/14/2010 no pre-download.

Modifié par Burningwolf, 15 mars 2010 - 12:54 .

[pChar]

Oh noes, this thread again??

Just give it a rest, the price wont lower cause your arguing and whining here...

[Baconmonster723]

Shipwr3K wrote...

Baconmonster723 wrote...

Shipwr3K wrote...

Baconmonster723 wrote...

Bioshock 20-25 hours for 1, 16-18 hours for 2

Assassin's Creed 12-15 hours for number 1, 20-25 for number 2

These are both games I liked, all of them were based on personal playtimes for each game, all of them were full games that I paid 60 dollars to get. Therefore, with Awakening being 15-20 hours on your initial playthrough, in my mind 40 dollars is fine. I may be a little pricey but I'm definitely going to support Bioware.

they are not rpgs. 

Fair point.  I'm just saying.  I've paid more for similar or less playtime.  And less replayability.  Therefore, on the whole it is worth it.  Just my opinion of course.

haha, I have had awakening on pre order since january.  I am not arguing the price. After all you pay for what you want and prefer. I have clocked more hours on mw2 than any other rpg haha.

you and me both lol

But I must say if it came down to an RPG  like ME or DAO or MW2 it'd be the RPG in a heart beat

[DianeLyn56]

Livemmo wrote...

5Warlocks wrote...

I think $10 cheaper would probably be more "appropriate," but to be honest, I don't care at all and I'm looking forward to playing it on Tuesday so much that tonight and tomorrow seems naught but darkness. FWIW, Mr. Gaider has actually commented that a) he felt Origins was actually too long, or could have been shorter; he likes many aspects of Awakening's tighter dialogue. As an RPG experience I'm expecting something a little more outright refined than Origins was. I'll definitely take the trade off of less overall content for more polished content.

I'm definitely not one to always blindly give Bioware a break about their content/pricing, either. I think Return to Ostagar was definitely too little content for the price, and will be wary of future DLCs. But all of the crying over the expansion itself seems... odd. Bioware roped you into caring for Origins this much in the first place, are you already so jaded as to think you can never be as engaged in a product again mere months later?

Thats not really the point though this whole situation seems to just have the sims written all over it. Build up hype for a great game, one that people love, and then dump useless expansions that add very little content and strip key features from the core game on top of it to maximize profit. It's Bioware's game, but it's EA's marketing.

At what point do you say ENOUGH?! $5 DLC? $10 DLC? $15 DLC? $40 DLC named an 'expansion'? Whats next? Our own community makes better mods than what RTO was yet we paid Bioware $5? Yeah so what it's $5 but still..

I agree with you, where do you draw the line? Both my husband and I play DA:O so Awakenings would cost us $80. We've decided to stop now especially since you cannot take any Wardens Keep DLC that we paid for into Awakenings. At least with the Sims 3 anything you bought from the store carried over into the expansion. I guess this is the future of gaming. My husband says we are being nickel and dimed to death. Everyone has to make their own decision though of when enough is enough.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Seeing how I am going to play it at least 5 times (in the near future), then I say it's worth it.

[Bryy_Miller]

steelmccoy wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

It does not matter if the game has multiplayer or not. Most games nowadays are less than ten hours. It is literally stupid to say that multiplayer is the same as the base gameplay length.

Why is that stupid? If we're talking about the number of hours of entertainment you're getting, why shouldn't multiplayer count?

That's the thing. We're not talking about that.

[Default137]

Livemmo wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

It's an expansion. Don't go in expecting a full game.

Then why is it priced the same as the original full game? I could justify the expansion arguement if it only cost $20 or something. But they're charging the same price as the full retail game.

It costs $40 in the US, and $30 in the UK.

Its 15 hours long.

Its still got Bioware content, they just tried a few things, and some didn't work out so well.

God of War 3 is 7 hours for $60, Bioshock 2 is 13 hours for $60, the entire Halo Series is 17ish hours for $180.

Every review I've read, every person I've talked to thats played it has all said the same thing "Its a Bioware game, its good, it feels short, but thats only because of what its being compared to, which is the giant behemoth 80 hour game Origins"

Why should I not want to buy this game?

Honestly, I'd much rather be nickel and dimed to death by medium sized Bioware games, then be forced to pay $60 to buy a smaller game, and be expected to pay $60 again next year for God of War 4, Kratos kills more dudes in 6 hours this time! How is that respectable business?

Modifié par Default137, 15 mars 2010 - 12:31 .

[nubbers666]

nope it isnt im not even gona get it when it comes out

[Andraste_Reborn]

Giving that Awakening will cost less than half of what I paid for the DAO collector's edition here in Australia, I think it will be worth the AUS $50.



(Yes, I paid AUS $130 for the Australian collector's edition. Yes, video games are crazy expensive in Australia. I wanted to be sure I'd have my copy on launch day.)

[Shipwr3K]

Default137 wrote...

Livemmo wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

It's an expansion. Don't go in expecting a full game.

Then why is it priced the same as the original full game? I could justify the expansion arguement if it only cost $20 or something. But they're charging the same price as the full retail game.

It costs $40 in the US, and $30 in the UK.

Its 15 hours long.

Its still got Bioware content, they just tried a few things, and some didn't work out so well.

God of War 3 is 7 hours for $60, Bioshock 2 is 13 hours for $60, the entire Halo Series is 17ish hours for $180.

Every review I've read, every person I've talked to thats played it has all said the same thing "Its a Bioware game, its good, it feels short, but thats only because of what its being compared to, which is the giant behemoth 80 hour game Origins"

Why should I not want to buy this game?

Honestly, I'd much rather be nickel and dimed to death by medium sized Bioware games, then be forced to pay $60 to buy a smaller game, and be expected to pay $60 again next year for God of War 4, Kratos kills more dudes in 6 hours this time! How is that respectable business?

those are not rpgs. Final Fantasy XIII is around 60 hours long for the main campaign. 

Modifié par Shipwr3K, 15 mars 2010 - 12:33 .

[Bryy_Miller]

Shipwr3K wrote...

Default137 wrote...

Livemmo wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

It's an expansion. Don't go in expecting a full game.

Then why is it priced the same as the original full game? I could justify the expansion arguement if it only cost $20 or something. But they're charging the same price as the full retail game.

It costs $40 in the US, and $30 in the UK.

Its 15 hours long.

Its still got Bioware content, they just tried a few things, and some didn't work out so well.

God of War 3 is 7 hours for $60, Bioshock 2 is 13 hours for $60, the entire Halo Series is 17ish hours for $180.

Every review I've read, every person I've talked to thats played it has all said the same thing "Its a Bioware game, its good, it feels short, but thats only because of what its being compared to, which is the giant behemoth 80 hour game Origins"

Why should I not want to buy this game?

Honestly, I'd much rather be nickel and dimed to death by medium sized Bioware games, then be forced to pay $60 to buy a smaller game, and be expected to pay $60 again next year for God of War 4, Kratos kills more dudes in 6 hours this time! How is that respectable business.

those are not rpgs. Final Fantasy XIII is around 60 hours long for the main campaign. 

Why should genre matter when we're talking about price models?

[Shipwr3K]

then why compare the hours of gameplay? Some genres will generally have more hours of gameplay. Dragon age is an rpg, and it should be compare to rpgs.

Modifié par Shipwr3K, 15 mars 2010 - 12:36 .

[Default137]

Shipwr3K wrote...

Default137 wrote...

Livemmo wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

It's an expansion. Don't go in expecting a full game.

Then why is it priced the same as the original full game? I could justify the expansion arguement if it only cost $20 or something. But they're charging the same price as the full retail game.

It costs $40 in the US, and $30 in the UK.

Its 15 hours long.

Its still got Bioware content, they just tried a few things, and some didn't work out so well.

God of War 3 is 7 hours for $60, Bioshock 2 is 13 hours for $60, the entire Halo Series is 17ish hours for $180.

Every review I've read, every person I've talked to thats played it has all said the same thing "Its a Bioware game, its good, it feels short, but thats only because of what its being compared to, which is the giant behemoth 80 hour game Origins"

Why should I not want to buy this game?

Honestly, I'd much rather be nickel and dimed to death by medium sized Bioware games, then be forced to pay $60 to buy a smaller game, and be expected to pay $60 again next year for God of War 4, Kratos kills more dudes in 6 hours this time! How is that respectable business?

those are not rpgs. Final Fantasy XIII is around 60 hours long for the main campaign. 

No its not.

FFXII took me about 33 hours to beat making it about 10-15 hours longer then Awakening is supposed to be for $20 more?

I am not seeing the deal here, thats not even a dollar an hour, especially considering I will play Awakening TWICE, due to Orlesian being different then Ferelden Warden, and the whole sten-like dialogue system making me have to bring compansions out to the field to get to know them, which means I will probably get 13+12=25ish hours at the very least out of Awakening, if not more, since thats on the low end of the spectrum.

And Bioshock 2 is an RPG, Mass Effect is an RPG, both I have beaten in under 15 hours, both cost me $50-60, I only ended up playing Bioshock 2 once, I played Mass Effect twice, and according to my save games, I've gotten 19 hours out of it total, which while not bad for a game these days is still around the same amount as Awakening.

People are not pissed because Awakening is small for an RPG, they are pissed because its small compared to Dragon Age, however it was never supposed to be that large, its an Expansion that expands an area they wanted to cover, and its still larger then most games released this year even with it only being a quickly made Expansion.

Modifié par Default137, 15 mars 2010 - 12:43 .

[Bryy_Miller]

.... did you even read my post? We're talking about basic prices of games in the United States. Genre does not matter, it is still a video game.

[Shipwr3K]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

.... did you even read my post? We're talking about basic prices of games in the United States. Genre does not matter, it is still a video game.

i wasnt quoting your post, it was just caught up on the middle. 

[Shipwr3K]

No its not.

FFXII took me about 33 hours to beat making it about 10-15 hours longer then Awakening is supposed to be for $20 more?

I am not seeing the deal here, thats not even a dollar an hour, especially considering I will play Awakening TWICE, due to Orlesian being different then Ferelden Warden, and the whole sten-like dialogue system making me have to bring compansions out to the field to get to know them, which means I will probably get 13+12=25ish hours at the very least out of Awakening, if not more, since thats on the low end of the spectrum.

Final Fantasy 13?

Modifié par Shipwr3K, 15 mars 2010 - 12:44 .

[Default137]

[quote]Shipwr3K wrote...

[quote]Default137 wrote...

[quote]Shipwr3K wrote...

[quote]Default137 wrote...

[quote]Livemmo wrote...

[quote]Bryy_Miller wrote...

It's an expansion. Don't go in expecting a full game.[/quote]

Then why is it priced the same as the original full game? I could justify the expansion arguement if it only cost $20 or something. But they're charging the same price as the full retail game.[/quote]

It costs $40 in the US, and $30 in the UK.

Its 15 hours long.

Its still got Bioware content, they just tried a few things, and some didn't work out so well.

God of War 3 is 7 hours for $60, Bioshock 2 is 13 hours for $60, the entire Halo Series is 17ish hours for $180.


those are not rpgs. Final Fantasy XIII is around 60 hours long for the main campaign. 
[/quote]

No its not.

FFXII took me about 33 hours to beat making it about 10-15 hours longer then Awakening is supposed to be for $20 more?

I am not seeing the deal here, thats not even a dollar an hour, especially considering I will play Awakening TWICE, due to Orlesian being different then Ferelden Warden, and the whole sten-like dialogue system making me have to bring compansions out to the field to get to know them, which means I will probably get 13+12=25ish hours at the very least out of Awakening, if not more, since thats on the low end of the spectrum.

[/quote]

Final Fantasy 13?
[/quote]

Yes, apologies for the mistype.

[Spitz6860]

you can't measure how much a game is worth based on how long it is. that's like what, video gaming 101?

Modifié par Spitz6860, 15 mars 2010 - 12:48 .

[Shipwr3K]

Final Fantasy 13?

Yes, apologies for the mistype.

lol the quoting is getting crazy. tbh I am gonna rush thru awakening, and then play a second run doing everything. I am not expecting long hours, but I enjoy the story line. hell, I like me2 more than dao, and is way shorter.  I am half way thru on XIII, sitting at 30 hours. 

Modifié par Shipwr3K, 15 mars 2010 - 12:51 .

[darkmax1974]

hmm... here's a simple lesson on economics:



When you ask for a pay rise, or have your union force a pay rise from the company, where do you think all the additional cost go to?



What's this got to do with game pricing?



The cost of product includes salaries. Most of the costs come from increased human labor, especially at lower levels. You pay increase does not go to the management or the profit of the company you are working for. Usually it gets quickly transferred onto the Cost of Goods Sold, then increase that by 30% as profit to the distributor. The distributor then increase it by say 50% to the retailers. The retailers, will also want their profit, so what you ultimately pay for comes from that small increase in pay you asked for.



Think of this on every level in evry organization... there's your inflation.