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[pChar]

Sooo, I finally finished both games and it was a good experience, but what really bothers me is : Why the hell was KotOR 2 complete and utter rubbish?? I mean, the story was decent enough but it was one of the worst sequels I've ever seen based on the gameplay mechanics.
I'm too lazy to do some research myself, so could someone enlighten me?
edit: Just wanted to say that kotor 1 was brilliant

Modifié par pChar, 14 mars 2010 - 10:53 .

[AntiChri5]

Unfinished, rush job, Obsidian,



Take your pick.

[Borschtbeet]

I've played sequels that were far bigger let downs than KOTOR like Deus Ex:Invisible War and Devil may Cry 2.

Still, as has already been said KOTOR II was rushed. Hell it came out only a year after KOTOR.

Modifié par Borschtbeet, 14 mars 2010 - 11:00 .

[ImARedShirt]

Well, from what I know off hand is that the main issue was time constraints. They has the license to do KOTOR 2 but were not allowed to have KOTOR for 2 months so they couldn't make an adequate sequel. I also know that A LOT of content was cut. Like romances, cut scenes, etc. I really wanted KOTOR 2 to be so much better, but that ending was totally lame. I felt like it was anti-climactic. But, I have heard they are going to re-release KOTOR 2 for the PC with almost all of the cut content placed into the game.

[Sloth Of Doom]

Because KOTOR2 was done by Obsidian, who make a business of developing crappy sequels to good Bioware games

[ImARedShirt]

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

Because KOTOR2 was done by Obsidian, who make a business of developing crappy sequels to good Bioware games

Well then let's hope they don't get their hands on anymore Bioware liscences.

[Seagloom]

Putting aside that I prefer KotOR II to the original... the above comments are mostly right. Lucasarts, whiched owned the license, rushed Obsidian to finish Sith Lords by Christmas. Obsidian did, but only by leaving an entire planet and most of the endgame, as well as a number of quests on the cutting room floor. Existing areas were also simplified. Remember that dead Jedi you find on Korriban? She was originally supposed to be alive, with an entire quest and Darth Sion encounter attached.

The main cut other than the endgame was a droid planet where the mystery of the HK-50 units hounding you was supposed to be solved. Since it was cut that plot thread never got any resolution.

I don't think romances were actually cut ImARedShirt. I mean, aspects of them from the endgame were dropped, yes, but the romances themselves were never intended to be anything like BioWare's. Avellone simply doesn't write that kind of romance plot, and judging from a recent interview his opinions there haven't changed.

Modifié par Seagloom, 14 mars 2010 - 11:25 .

[Busomjack]

KOTOR II started out way too slowly. The first 5 hours of that game are some of the most boring 5 hours you will ever see in any game.

[Crimmsonwind]

I'm probably one of the few people in existence that actually enjoyed Kotor II just as much as Kotor I. -.-



It is certainly unfinished, but there are some restoration mods out there that bring the game up to a closer level of completion. You should probably give those a try if you're playing on the PC. This is how Obsidian rolls.



Although truthfully, I did have a great amount of fun in Baldur's Gate II. I think that's like, the one game that Obsidian did right.

[pChar]

Well, thanks for all the replys and I will definetly check out that restoration project, and give KotOR 2 another go when its released.

[Jamesnew2]

honestly. i think kotor 1 was the first rpg game ive ever enjoyed. I played the game so much during the summer holidays over and over again and i never bought kotor 2 cause i didnt want to rurin the end of an epic game because of a rushed game made by obsidian who are outclassed by bioware... I actually think its my favourite rpg game of all time. Closely followed by mass effect 1/2.

[Jamesnew2]

scyphozoa wrote...

argh, i hate to see kotor2 get bashed. Kotor2 has some very fatal flaws, but so much of its content is well worth overlooking the game's shortcomings. I love the story of KOTOR2, I think it is one of the best stories ever told in the SW universe. Specifically, I love the role and character of Kreia. The idea of the death of the force its great IMO.

Of anything that KOTOR2 could have done differently, it would be pacing. The introduction of peragus mining facility is tragic imo, as it is very tedius and drawn out. The redundancy of planets you visit from Kotor1 didn't help.

lastly, as all kotor2 fans should know, there is TSLRP - Kotor2 The Sith Lords Restoration Project

This is a mod that has been worked on for years to restore cut or unfinished content from KOTOR2. alternatively, there are other mod packs that offer similar restoration as TSLRP, but TSLRP is hopefully going to release some day.
http://www.team-gizka.org/

although this might change my mind...

[Loerwyn]

Jamesnew2 wrote...
[...]rushed game made by obsidian who are outclassed by bioware...

That's unfair, untrue and a complete load. If you knew the development history of KotOR2, then you'd be singing a different tune. Have you even tried KotOR2?

If you don't know the development history, then have this quote from yours truly:

Ugh. If you're going to rag on Obsidian for KotOR2, please arm yourself with the facts. Obsidian were approached (with BioWare's recommendation)to create KotOR2. Development started with, near enough, the release ofKotOR. Obsidian were given no pre-development time to familiarise themselves with KotOR or the Expanded Universe. They had about 17 months of development time to research, design and then complete their debut product as a company,fully test it and have it ready for release. That is totally and utterly unreasonable.

Anyway, LucasArts own the Star Wars franchise. [...]. It was their fault KotOR2 was released how it was, not Obsidian's. If they'd given Obsidian another 6 months, perhaps a year, it would be a much better quality game.

Here, have two Wookiepedia links:
KotOR2

Modifié par OnlyShallow89, 14 septembre 2010 - 09:32 .

[Mister Mida]

Bad management on LucasArts part which included the rushed deadline and constraining Obsidian in the development. If you knew what was NOT included you would think differently about it. Personally I like KotOR 2's story more, and some of the characters are really good.

In retrospect, LucasArts' decision to release it too soon was really stupid and didn't make any sense at all. Only the XBox version got released in December 2004, and only in the US. The PC version for the US and both versions for the rest of the world had to wait until February 2005. So why try to release it for the holiday when you know you can't have the entire market?

If Molyneux can admit that the first Fable was incomplete and could release the full version afterwards, why can't LucasArts do the same for KotOR 2? It would be a great marketing move for The Old Republic.

Modifié par Mister Mida, 14 septembre 2010 - 09:46 .

[Leinadi]

I doubt that it actually turned out to be a failure for Lucasarts though. I think the game sold really well and the game was well received by magazines and so forth as well.



I also think that the speculation on KOTOR2 cut content is very over-the-top. Yes, there was most definitely cut content but a *lot* of it was cut for a very good reason. I was very excited about the restoration project myself but after playing through it, I think the original game is far superior in *most* areas (there are a few important pieces that really would've been nice to have in the game). The pacing in particular is waaay better in the original game.

But yeah, a bit longer in development could've definitely ensured that it had been a tighter game overall, no question. But a lot of people seem to think that the inclusion of some of the cut content would've dramatically turned the game from a terrible one into an awesome one and I don't really see that at all.



I'm not really sure why anyone would say the game was terrible compared to KOTOR1 in the gameplay department though. Most changes were for the better if you ask me, subtle though most of them are. But it's also my opinion that both games are pure crap in terms of gameplay. KOTOR2's somewhat interesting story and good writing sorta saved that game for me (still feel it's rather mediocre) but I think KOTOR1 was completely uninteresting in pretty much any way whatsoever except for the novelty of having a cRPG set in the Star Wars universe.



I think it easily shares the spot of Bioware's worst games with NWN1 and ME1.

[Pacifien]

You guys know there's a KOTOR section to the forums, right? 'Cause there totally is.