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[ImARedShirt]

Well it seems this way when you think about it. In ME1, there were no gay romance options. In ME2, there are still no gay romance options. And yet, there are lesbian options. I find this to be somewhat discrimnating. Opinions?

[Caozen]

This game is anti-me, since it doesn't have 'me' in it.

[Sloth Of Doom]

So, just because none of the characters are gay the game is homophobic?



I think it more likely you are being heterophobic.

[Busomjack]

This is on topic.

[Seagloom]

Not particularly. There are no gay relationships but plenty of lesbian implications strewn about thanks to the asari. I could turn this into an essay length post, but as I'm drowsy and uninterested I'll leave at this: Mass Effect is exactly what I expect from a series that frequently panders to heterosexual men in their late teens to late twenties. I do not see it as homophobic so much as narrowly targetted.

Modifié par Seagloom, 14 mars 2010 - 11:39 .

[Bryy_Miller]

The only thing homophobic about the games are the BioWare forums.

Seriously.

[ImARedShirt]

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

So, just because none of the characters are gay the game is homophobic?

I think it more likely you are being heterophobic.

No, that's not what I meant. I meant, if you're a male character, you have no options to pursue a homosexual relationship.

[Sloth Of Doom]

ImARedShirt wrote...

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

So, just because none of the characters are gay the game is homophobic?

I think it more likely you are being heterophobic.

No, that's not what I meant. I meant, if you're a male character, you have no options to pursue a homosexual relationship.

Yes but why does that equal homophobic?  Lack of on optin does not mean that the game (or rather, the designers) fear something.   You can't swim in ME, does that make the game hydrophobic?

[ImARedShirt]

Caozen wrote...

This game is anti-me, since it doesn't have 'me' in it.

Tou·ché,

[Caozen]

There isn't a real answer to this question. As we all know, sexuality is a preference. The only reason the OP is asking this question is because Bioware made the mistake of including romance in its game in the first place. The truth of the matter is as developers, they do as they please. You would think they have more of a right to deem the exclusion of gay love necessary than you do to complain about it.



Also, homophobic would imply there isn't any lesbian action going on either.

[ImARedShirt]

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

ImARedShirt wrote...

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

So, just because none of the characters are gay the game is homophobic?

I think it more likely you are being heterophobic.

No, that's not what I meant. I meant, if you're a male character, you have no options to pursue a homosexual relationship.

I can already see that this is going to take a negative turn. I just noticed that this is how it "seems." bringing up hydrophobia is inconsequential. Why would Shepard swim? It is inapropriate for the story. Shepard wouldn;t stop to take a dive while trying to stop the collectors.

Yes but why does that equal homophobic?  Lack of on optin does not mean that the game (or rather, the designers) fear something.   You can't swim in ME, does that make the game hydrophobic?

[ImARedShirt]

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

ImARedShirt wrote...

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

So, just because none of the characters are gay the game is homophobic?

I think it more likely you are being heterophobic.

No, that's not what I meant. I meant, if you're a male character, you have no options to pursue a homosexual relationship.

Yes but why does that equal homophobic?  Lack of on optin does not mean that the game (or rather, the designers) fear something.   You can't swim in ME, does that make the game hydrophobic?

I never said Bioware or the game designers were. Dragon Age is proof of that.

[tmelange]

ImARedShirt wrote...

Well it seems this way when you think about it. In ME1, there were no gay romance options. In ME2, there are still no gay romance options. And yet, there are lesbian options. I find this to be somewhat discrimnating. Opinions?

I don't think you can pin the homophobic tag on Bioware or the developers, for all of the reasons stated above. I think the homophobia has played out mostly on the forums, in the trolling and the irrational responses to the prospect of gay content. Clearly, Bioware and the developers have no irrational fear of homosexual content since they have implemented such in past games and even in ME, to an extent. The MOST you can say about Bioware (if you believe, as I do, that they made a specific decision to avoid gay male content in this franchise for marketing reasons) is that they punked out. They put in some lesbian action so as to not be accused of having no homosexual content at all, but they stayed away from the one thing that would be most controversial: m/m romance. Depending upon how you believe this decision played out, and what conclusions you reach about the inexplicable disparity in the romance options afforded to female Shep as opposed to male Shep, the most you can say is that ME is not gay-friendly, and posits a vision of the future that is too closely aligned to the prejudices of today, and too clearly driven by today's bottom line. 

Then congratulate Bioware on making an outstanding mass market video game.

[Statulos]

Seagloom wrote...

Not particularly. There are no gay relationships but plenty of lesbian implications strewn about thanks to the asari. I could turn this into an essay length post, but as I'm drowsy and uninterested I'll leave at this: Mass Effect is exactly what I expect from a series that frequently panders to heterosexual men in their late teens to late twenties. I do not see it as homophobic so much as narrowly targetted.

But you still played and liked it, lady...

[Seagloom]

@Statulos - It helps that I'm fairly open in my tastes. Also... I kinda like ME2 but I hated the original game. Mass Effect is by far my least favorite BioWare game. Scratch that... it's low on my list of RPGs, period. The sequel improved it a great deal, despite a few painful flaws.

Modifié par Seagloom, 15 mars 2010 - 01:34 .

[melkathi]

I agree with everything Seagloom has said in this thread so far.

[Darth-Mandalore]

ImARedShirt wrote...

Well it seems this way when you think about it. In ME1, there were no gay romance options. In ME2, there are still no gay romance options. And yet, there are lesbian options. I find this to be somewhat discrimnating. Opinions?

Actually Bioware originally intended Kaidan to be a gay romance option, they eventually decided cut the idea but signs that Kaidan was originally meant to be a gay romance option can be found throughout the game, just look at how Shepard approaches Kaidan on the Normandy whenever you speak to him, this absolutely screams brokeback mountain.

But if you still arent convinced take a look at this



Whoops wrong vid  try this one

[Daerog]

Shavon wrote...

It might be EA

No. Mass Effect came out before BioWare partnered with EA, EA came in and released the PC version, but the Xbox 360 ME1 was published by Microsoft.

Modifié par DaerogTheDhampir, 15 mars 2010 - 09:04 .

[Balerion84]

Or maybe, just maybe, they don't think Garrus, Thane, Zaeed, Joker, Kaidan, Wrex, Grunt, Niftu, Mordin are gay... you know, like that it wouldn't fit with their idea of those characters' personalities  

[SetAsEssential]

Nah, as Sloth of Doom said: Lack of an option doesn't equal homophobia. And I agree with most of what Seagloom has said in this topic so far.

[Rubbish Hero]

Just sticking it in for the sake of sticking along with other crap in it to appease the gay's, tranny's, blacks, Mexicans e.t.c... would be stupid.

Modifié par Rubbish Hero, 15 mars 2010 - 12:00 .