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[Napoleon1853]

It seems some people in games and on the internet like to complain about little kids all the time for various reasons. There are times people whine just to be whining. It seems kid or adult people can be mature or immature.

Modifié par Napoleon1853, 18 octobre 2009 - 05:05 .

[SpankyV]

Hey you! Get off my lawn and keep the noise down!



I'm trying to watch Matlock.

[Lucy Glitter]

Too true, but for me, in the DA forum, we seem to have a lot of young people. These young people... don't sound like they are over 17. Obviously that won't stop people from playing it, but still, at least learn how to type first and not act like a doofus.

Dragon Age isn't a game that focuses on phat lewt or epic lvlz. It irritates me. I may be sounding harsh here, but it is one thing in the gaming world I really dislike. It also reflects on my dislike of parents letting their young kids see/play 17+ films/games. I once saw this woman take her young (6ish) son to see Watchmen. <_<

Modifié par Lucy_Glitter, 18 octobre 2009 - 05:15 .

[SovereignSith44]

I think I'm a weird 17 year old, because I completely agree with what you're saying. I can't stand MMOs because they're all about the loot and none about the world or characters. I hate what's being done to Mass Effect 2 with the "nuke gun" and the general focus on action and not story...

I don't think many 17 year old gamers would play through Dreamfall: The Longest Journey and actually like it, but I absolutely loved that game.



woops, ramble...

[Quixal]

Is any of that really about age though? It seems to me it is just another sub-culture. One that gets on my nerves, but technically has just as much right to be here as we do. They are just more likely to be disappointed by DA:O.

[Napoleon1853]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Too true, but for me, in the DA forum, we seem to have a lot of young people. These young people... don't sound like they are over 17. Obviously that won't stop people from playing it, but still, at least learn how to type first and not act like a doofus.

Dragon Age isn't a game that focuses on phat lewt or epic lvlz. It irritates me. I may be sounding harsh here, but it is one thing in the gaming world I really dislike. It also reflects on my dislike of parents letting their young kids see/play 17+ films/games. I once saw this woman take her young (6ish) son to see Watchmen. <_<

Ya, I'm 16.
However, playing M rated games doesn't bother me and my parents don't really care that I do. Bioware probably doesn't care either because they will be getting my $ as they have in the past.

[Napoleon1853]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Too true, but for me, in the DA forum, we seem to have a lot of young people. These young people... don't sound like they are over 17. Obviously that won't stop people from playing it, but still, at least learn how to type first and not act like a doofus.

Dragon Age isn't a game that focuses on phat lewt or epic lvlz. It irritates me. I may be sounding harsh here, but it is one thing in the gaming world I really dislike. It also reflects on my dislike of parents letting their young kids see/play 17+ films/games. I once saw this woman take her young (6ish) son to see Watchmen. <_<

Double post.

Modifié par Napoleon1853, 18 octobre 2009 - 05:30 .

[OwenM]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Too true, but for me, in the DA forum, we seem to have a lot of young people. These young people... don't sound like they are over 17. Obviously that won't stop people from playing it, but still, at least learn how to type first and not act like a doofus.

Dragon Age isn't a game that focuses on phat lewt or epic lvlz. It irritates me. I may be sounding harsh here, but it is one thing in the gaming world I really dislike. It also reflects on my dislike of parents letting their young kids see/play 17+ films/games. I once saw this woman take her young (6ish) son to see Watchmen. <_<

Quoted for truth. I'm all for younger people playing games, but I do wish some of them would at least try and communicate in proper sentences...or if you're on voice chat (which is when I notice a lot of people getting upset with kids), that they would use it sensibly, rather than screaming "n00b h4axx0r" all the time....which is often what happens.

It's mainly a case of stereotyping, but when the majority do act like that, it becomes something of a sore point with more mature players. Of course, when kids aren't being stupid or immature, you can't actually tell that they are kids, which is where the internet is great - it's all about how you present yourself rather than about who you are grouped with. Idiotic 30-somethings can be put in the same category as idiotic 12 year olds. It's just that the kids then end up feeling picked on even when they aren't acting that way, because as I said, no-one can tell they are kids.

Quixal wrote...

Is any of that really about age though? It seems to me it is just another sub-culture. One that gets on my nerves, but technically has just as much right to be here as we do. They are just more likely to be disappointed by DA:O.

Exactly. It's not about age at all, it's about the perception you give about yourself.

SovereignSith44 wrote...

I think I'm a weird 17 year old, because I completely agree with what you're saying. I can't stand MMOs because they're all about the loot and none about the world or characters. I hate what's being done to Mass Effect 2 with the "nuke gun" and the general focus on action and not story...
I don't think many 17 year old gamers would play through Dreamfall: The Longest Journey and actually like it, but I absolutely loved that game.

woops, ramble...

You're not weird. You're just not an idiot like most 17 year olds are. And I'm pretty sure that means everyone here will respect you more.

Ya, I'm 16.
However, playing M rated games doesn't bother me and my parents don't really care that I do. Bioware probably doesn't care either because they will be getting my $ as they have in the past.

Personally, I think that this is where the rating system falls down. If you're playing a Mature game, it doesn't matter what age you are, it matters how mature you are. If you can stand the blood and gore, or the nudity and sex, or the drugs and whatnot, then fine. The thing is, some people with qualifications decided that these can have a negative effect on a growing mind. It's sad that your parents don't care, tbh, because even if you think you can take it, it might have negative effects on you in the future.
I've been allowed to play restricted games for many  years, as long as I run it past my parents first, and they think that it's OK. It's a **** when retailers refuse to sell an underage person a game simply because of a rating, but that's what they are meant to do. Then again, you also have the case where parents are buying games for their kids without checking what it is, and just doing it so their kids can be put in a room for a few hours.

Long post is long, but it's all about how kids can be mature, despite the majority, and how it's on a case-by-case basis. If you post like a 12 year old, then expect to be treated like one - that is to say with little respect, no matter your real age.

[Napoleon1853]

Personally, I think that this is where the rating system falls down. If you're playing a Mature game, it doesn't matter what age you are, it matters how mature you are. If you can stand the blood and gore, or the nudity and sex, or the drugs and whatnot, then fine. The thing is, some people with qualifications decided that these can have a negative effect on a growing mind. It's sad that your parents don't care, tbh, because even if you think you can take it, it might have negative effects on you in the future.
I've been allowed to play restricted games for many  years, as long as I run it past my parents first, and they think that it's OK. It's a **** when retailers refuse to sell an underage person a game simply because of a rating, but that's what they are meant to do. Then again, you also have the case where parents are buying games for their kids without checking what it is, and just doing it so their kids can be put in a room for a few hours.

Long post is long, but it's all about how kids can be mature, despite the majority, and how it's on a case-by-case basis. If you post like a 12 year old, then expect to be treated like one - that is to say with little respect, no matter your real age.

I don't think it's sad that my parents don't care. They don't care because they know that I know the difference between games and real life. I'm not gonna go out and run over people just because I can in Grand Theft Auto IV. I know the difference between games and real life. It won't have a negative impact on me. I don't see any reason it would.

Modifié par Napoleon1853, 18 octobre 2009 - 06:01 .

[SovereignSith44]

overconfidence...this is the path to the dark side.

[Jonp382]

Sorry, quoting is messed up for me.



"Dragon Age isn't a game that focuses on phat lewt or epic lvlz. It irritates me. I may be sounding harsh here, but it is one thing in the gaming world I really dislike."



I agree, the gaming industry would benefit immensely from the removal of such views. 'Phat lewt' and 'epic lvlz' are artificial and have no real benefit to the player.



"I once saw this woman take her young (6ish) son to see Watchmen."



If they're ready there's nothing wrong with it. Of course, the parent should provide proper guidance.



"Is any of that really about age though? It seems to me it is just another sub-culture. One that gets on my nerves, but technically has just as much right to be here as we do. They are just more likely to be disappointed by DA:O."



Being younger, they are more impressionable. But as you say it's not just age, it's also perspective. From the reviews that have come out so far, it sounds like at least we are going to be pleased. PCGH UK gave it 94% and called it the RPG of the decade. French gave it 95%. I'm excited.

[SpiffymanXD]

Yea its all about a persons state of mind when i was 15-17 i never once got on anyones bad side on xbox live in fact of older friends because of how mature I am. But than you get those little kids that really are bad. Like the other day I was playing call of duty4 and this little bastard would not stop saying ****** when he thought it was the funniest thing hes ever heard. Mature games are for the kids that can take the responibilty of playing those games not the four year old who wants to play it because his dad does.

And also whats PCGH?

Modifié par SpiffymanXD, 18 octobre 2009 - 08:44 .

[HeathenKing]

Quixal wrote...

Is any of that really about age though? It seems to me it is just another sub-culture. One that gets on my nerves, but technically has just as much right to be here as we do. They are just more likely to be disappointed by DA:O.

It's not about age so much as it is about maturity or intellect. Some people want an immersive game with a great story, likable characters, etc. And other's just want to blow sh*t up. Sadly, the latter is in the majority, and so the rest of us tend to get screwed over as most developers would much rather make something that sells rather than something that is truly a beautiful work of art.

[Nekator]

HeathenKing wrote...

Quixal wrote...

Is any of that really about age though? It seems to me it is just another sub-culture. One that gets on my nerves, but technically has just as much right to be here as we do. They are just more likely to be disappointed by DA:O.

It's not about age so much as it is about maturity or intellect. Some people want an immersive game with a great story, likable characters, etc. And other's just want to blow sh*t up. Sadly, the latter is in the majority, and so the rest of us tend to get screwed over as most developers would much rather make something that sells rather than something that is truly a beautiful work of art.

Exactly.
During my time of Onlinegaming, i´ve encountered many people, there were great young as well as older guys, but sadly also many idiots, regardless of age.

[swirlwind]

Jonp382 wrote...

If they're ready there's nothing wrong with it. Of course, the parent should provide proper guidance.

Taking a six-year-old to see Watchmen? I respectfully disagree. Movies for adults are not meant for children for a reason. I had a similar experience when I went to see the latest incarnation of Beowulf and in front of me was a mother and a father with two under ten-year-old children, probably expecting to see a children's movie since it was animated. I had to cringe every time there was bloody slaugher on screen because I couldn't help but think about the kiddies.

Now I don't see a problem in parents taking their teenagers to see more adult movies as long as they can talk about it afterwards. However, small children should not be treated like tiny adults because they simply aren't. Children don't compartmentalise things the way adults do, and they don't have the mental faculties to process things in the same way.

[Lucy Glitter]

SovereignSith44 wrote...

I think I'm a weird 17 year old, because I completely agree with what you're saying. I can't stand MMOs because they're all about the loot and none about the world or characters. I hate what's being done to Mass Effect 2 with the "nuke gun" and the general focus on action and not story...
I don't think many 17 year old gamers would play through Dreamfall: The Longest Journey and actually like it, but I absolutely loved that game.

woops, ramble...

It's not about the age, actually when I think about it, it's about the maturity level. I used to LOVE WoW and I rp'ed as well. However, more and more silly people ruined the RP servers... and Blizz sold out their lore for epix bosses. I loved WC3, the ending cinematic made my eyes pop out of my skull. So intense. I was sorely disappointed when Arthas became the 80+ boss. His story was just amazing, and they ruined it.

OwenM wrote...

Everything said here.

Definitely agree 100 percent with your comments. Especially:

You're not weird. You're just not an idiot like most 17 year olds are. And I'm pretty sure that means everyone here will respect you more.

Very true . Also, I don't think it's about a changing generation, I believe there has always been a lot of very immature people in the world. I always have to bite my tongue when I get someone calling me a n00b/haxx0r whatever, because even if I did scream my head off, they'd just call me a drama queen or something. Catch-22. 

p.s Just adding in the fact that younger people would never fully appreciate a game like this, because it is about the story more than anything, and when you are younger it is more difficult to process such dark and complex themes. Unless you are some kind of child prodigy. Another reason we have ratings. 

Thinking about it, has anyone ever encountered someone being refused a game because of their age (and lack of proof)  in a game store? I am curious.

Modifié par Lucy_Glitter, 18 octobre 2009 - 10:35 .

[HeathenKing]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...
Very true . Also, I don't think it's about a changing generation, I believe there has always been a lot of very immature people in the world. I always have to bite my tongue when I get someone calling me a n00b/haxx0r whatever, because even if I did scream my head off, they'd just call me a drama queen or something. Catch-22.

Welcome to the internet.
If you take anything seriously, you're gay.
If anything upsets you, you're gay.
If you point out the lack of intelligence or maturity in another person, you're gay.
If you're good at the game, you're gay.
If you're bad at the game, you're gay.
If you love the game, you're gay.
If you hate the game, you're gay.

I think you get the gist of it.

[Lucy Glitter]

I think I do People think they are allowed to be bullies on the internet when irl they can't. I suppose it's how you view the internet and it's uses.

[Dennis Carpenter]

OwenM great post I agree with it entirely so with that being said there is nothing left for me to post although it would be nice to have a way to block a jerk from further posting on a thread.



(Flameboy 23 comes to mind)

[Dennis Carpenter]

I wonder if there should be a thread of biggest jerks online or most annoying or something like that where everyone could drop a name of a problem poster >>>NAAAHHHHH that would just boost there egos :-)

Modifié par Dennis Carpenter, 18 octobre 2009 - 12:53 .

[bioware_fan]

HeathenKing wrote...

Lucy_Glitter wrote...
Very true . Also, I don't think it's about a changing generation, I believe there has always been a lot of very immature people in the world. I always have to bite my tongue when I get someone calling me a n00b/haxx0r whatever, because even if I did scream my head off, they'd just call me a drama queen or something. Catch-22.

Welcome to the internet.
If you take anything seriously, you're gay.
If anything upsets you, you're gay.
If you point out the lack of intelligence or maturity in another person, you're gay.
If you're good at the game, you're gay.
If you're bad at the game, you're gay.
If you love the game, you're gay.
If you hate the game, you're gay.

I think you get the gist of it.

That's why SWTOR has a  50/50 chance to be the worst Bioware game ever .

[SovereignSith44]

"Thinking about it, has anyone ever encountered someone being refused a game because of their age (and lack of proof)  in a game store? I am curious."

When I was still sixteen this year I went to best buy (was pumped about the whole driving thing, wanted to go somewhere alone) and tried to pick up Resident Evil 5. I had the money out and everything, and they wouldn't let me have it until I came back with my mom. I guess that's their job, but I know, and anyone who knows me knows, that I can treat almost any game situation with a mature mind, even though I'm still a teenager.

[Amberyl Ravenclaw]

Like others have said: the majority appear to lack a good mindset or intellect, and frequent run-ins with such persons leads one to project the same image on the other, more even-tempered and mature individuals. To that effect I've always felt that it's a disadvantage to reveal one's age in forums, because it fixes people's impressions and expectations of your behavior. I've been told when I reveal my age to others, that I am "younger than I thought you would be". (I'm neither 'kiddy' or 'teen' btw, but it still suggests that people believe more or less in that old adage, that 'with age comes wisdom'.)

Modifié par Amberyl Ravenclaw, 18 octobre 2009 - 03:12 .

[DigitalOrigami]

Amberyl Ravenclaw wrote...

I've been told when I reveal my age to others, that I am "younger than I thought you would be". (I'm neither 'kiddy' or 'teen' btw, but it still suggests that people believe more or less in that old adage, that 'with age comes wisdom'.)

Well, according to that theory and after reading quite a few of your posts, I have come to the conclusion that you are 856 years old.