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[Servant of Nature]

Being young (12-13+) is no excuse for poor typing skills and general lack of coherency. I think a major problem with it (besides just general idiocy) is the abundance of cellphones and texting, if we're just looking at how they tend to type. Other stuff is just general immaturity but that varies from person to person as well.

For example, my freshman year, in my honors English class, first week we came to school, we were asked to write a letter of introduction.  Over half of the people in the class wrote it in text speak, the teacher flipped a lid.  Yeah that was not a fun year.

Modifié par Servant of Nature, 18 octobre 2009 - 04:05 .

[Jonp382]

"And also whats PCGH?"



PC Games Hardware magazine.



"I think a major problem with it (besides just general idiocy) is the abundance of cellphones and texting, if we're just looking at how they tend to type."



IDKMYBFFJILL

[Punahedan]

I just spent half an hour, maybe more, trying to phrase a good reply, but I kept going on tangents, so I think I'll try and keep this shorter: I trust my parents to judge what I can and cannot see/play/read/do better than some politician or rule-maker that doesn't know anything about me or my peers. But even my parents can misinterpret me and my thoughts, given that they're from a different generation and from a different society; I won't begrudge them for being raised differently, but it does mean that there's a lot lost in translation. So many teenagers are told to act their age but are treated like hormonal gasbags instead of thoughtful young adults that it stops mattering to us whether what adults think is true or not, they won't treat us any differently if we act mature or like idiots, so may as well have fun.



I know this is not universally true - there are plenty of **** teenagers that are like that by nature. But that's, in my opinion, the minority.



It is impossible to judge maturity by a physical quality, however, so age is the next best thing. I don't have to like it, though.



But keep in mind that there are just as many adults who act stupid. In fact, it's likely more, since there's no one else there to keep them in check. The law is going to fall on their side.



Furthermore, the 18-years-is-mature-enough idea is silly. Adolescence - the teenage years - is exactly when people develop their idea of morality and ethics. Don't work against it, work with it. Give us situations where we challenge our understanding of right and wrong so that we can mature better. A fictional setting is the best way to develop this, I think. Books can do it, why can't RPGs?

[flem1]

Servant of Nature wrote...

For example, my freshman year, in my honors English class, first week we came to school, we were asked to write a letter of introduction.  Over half of the people in the class wrote it in text speak

[Fulgrim88]

Servant of Nature wrote...
For example, my freshman year, in my honors English class, first week we came to school, we were asked to write a letter of introduction. Over half of the people in the class wrote it in text speak, the teacher flipped a lid. Yeah that was not a fun year.

10 years from now I worry this is the way ALL English will be spoken in my country.

"The only language where the number of words decreases every year..."
And it didn't even need weird '1984'-sci-fi socialism - just sloth

Modifié par Fulgrim88, 18 octobre 2009 - 05:05 .

[StonerMkII]

Servant of Nature wrote...

Being young (12-13+) is no excuse for poor typing skills and general lack of coherency. I think a major problem with it (besides just general idiocy) is the abundance of cellphones and texting, if we're just looking at how they tend to type. Other stuff is just general immaturity but that varies from person to person as well.

For example, my freshman year, in my honors English class, first week we came to school, we were asked to write a letter of introduction.  Over half of the people in the class wrote it in text speak, the teacher flipped a lid.  Yeah that was not a fun year.

The funny thing about the text speak is a few years ago they were talking about letting people turn in assignments in text speak. All i could think was oh great...and we wonder why half the people in the US dont know where Iraq is on a map.

But on topic, yea i have to agree "kiddies" is more along the lines of behavior rather then actual age. Ive met alot of mature 13-19 year old, and then turning the tables met alot of horribly immature 13-19 year olds. As far as letting teenagers play mature games, as long as they understand that its a game i think its fine. Ive played mature games since i was 13 and ive always understood that it was a game, im sure as hell not going to go out and shoot someone because i can do it in a game. Sadly though parents not taking the time to research the game and instead, buying it for their child, then complaining when their child goes out and shoots up a schoo. Then blameing the developers is ruining the gaming industry and those parents should be locked up just as much and their child should.

Wall o text mode i done

[Superium]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...
 I once saw this woman take her young (6ish) son to see Watchmen. <_<

Yea when Star Wars: Episode III came out I spotted a dad taking his three kids to it. They looked to be around 5,8,and 10. If I had kids I personally wouldn't let them see it until they were like 14 or 15 due to all the slaughter caused by Anakin after he becomes Darth Vader. That coupled with the scene of him burning on Mustafar.

But anyways my friend Nick across the street is 14 but he acts mature.

[SpiffymanXD]

Jonp382 wrote...

"And also whats PCGH?"

PC Games Hardware magazine.

"I think a major problem with it (besides just general idiocy) is the abundance of cellphones and texting, if we're just looking at how they tend to type."

IDKMYBFFJILL

Thanks Jonp382, and i agree with the texting because im trying to stop typing like that with the dumb lol, roftl what ever that one is.

and to the lad that said "if you like the game. your gay" it does make sense but only to the people that dont really understand what gaming really is.

[soteria]

There are exceptions to every generalization, but people get lumped into a category for a reason. I've been gaming online since I was a teenager, myself, and never really took offense when people talked about "kiddies" and whatnot. It didn't apply to me, so why should I be offended? Besides, the only way we can judge your age here is your behavior.



My guild in WoW is filled with, mostly, professionals in their 20s-30s, with some college students and such as well. For a while one of our tanks was a twelve-year-old kid. We actually didn't believe he was really that young until we heard him talking on vent. Great player, though. We respected him because he respected us--respect is a two-way street. Of course, we also had to privately laugh at times when he had to go because it was past his bedtime.

[DalishRanger]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...
Thinking about it, has anyone ever encountered someone being refused a game because of their age (and lack of proof)  in a game store? I am curious.

Yes, actually. My brother was trying to buy Halo 2, but was only 16 at the time. They carded him when they saw his age. Since he already had permission from my parents to buy it and already owned the first Halo, I bought it for him.

I also get asked for my ID constantly when buying M-rated games; I'm almost 23, but people frequently tell me I look 16 or 17. Guess where I live we take the "under 17" thing seriously.

Bit more on topic, have to agree with everyone who said it has more to do with maturity than actual age. I know people at my university with a lower level of maturity than some of my teenage friends.

[Cuuniyevo]

I've actually seen both sides of the maturity line in the sense that there were times in my teens when I acted very mature (at the age of 14, people on one forum thought I was in my mid-twenties), and yet there were other times when I was called out quite sternly for certain things I had said. Over the years and through discussions with—or observations of—various people, I've gained some perspective on the subject and can say with some level of certainty that people do not simply 'gain 1 point in maturity!' every once in a while while aging. People are multifaceted, and each facet matures individually. Some otherwise mature individuals are terrible at handling their finances; some are bad at dealing with annoying people; some can't keep a secret; some swear all the time because they think it's funny; et cetera… (I just geeked out after typing that and noticing that the Latin and ellipsis are redundant <--- a good example of minor immaturity)
Immaturity is part of life (sometimes a way of life ) and actually a very good one. It's burned into our psyches for the same reason learning curves are in games. Too much information can ruin the experience and cause you to burn out. We have a tendency to give ourselves 'time off' every once in a while and being purposefully immature in one area of your life while holding yourself to a high standard in others is essentially giving yourself a break.
People can attain 'enough' maturity at almost any age. I've seen very mature people below the age of 12, for instance. (GeekNote: In some cultures, people were considered adults at the age of 13 :EndGeekNote) However, most modern kids are much slower to progress, and need to be given the time to do it gently, without pushing all of the 'mature' content in popular culture on them all at once. I know for a fact that seeing several PG-13 and a couple R-rated movies affected my early growth negatively, though I won't go into detail.
Anyway, I know I'm not completely mature yet; I still lose my temper frequently (I absolutely LOATHE smirks, don't use it against me >:[ ) when dealing with young children, though I have improved in that regard.

Bah, now I'm just rambling. It's time for bed.

LAST NOTE: 'large group of the Earth's population #1' are annoyed with 'kiddies' because 'kiddies' ask questions that 'lgotE'sp#1' believes the answer to is obvious, and they dislike the idea of wasting their time explaining it again, when they think that next week's or next month's or next year's batch of 'kiddies' will ask the same thing, repeatedly, for the rest of their lives. It's no coincidence that 'lgotE'sp#1' is the group of people that tends to make FAQs on fora, then put links in their signatures pointing to them. The 'kiddies' age has nothing to do with it. It's just that, as another poster alluded to, "Get off my lawn! It's my lawn and I don't have to explain why you shoudn't run through it!"

[Mordaedil]

Note that people admitting to being younger than 18 years old with a DAO are basically asking to be banned from the forums.

Unless the age-gate no longer applies, which it doesn't appear to.

Just saying, be careful what you go around saying.

[Lucy Glitter]

Does the age gate work here? I expected it to ask for your age when you went on the Dragon Age section...

[Napoleon1853]

Mordaedil wrote...

Note that people admitting to being younger than 18 years old with a DAO are basically asking to be banned from the forums.
Unless the age-gate no longer applies, which it doesn't appear to.
Just saying, be careful what you go around saying.

I don't think they care that much. People lie about their age to get past the age gate all the time anyways. I do. Woops did I say that? I don't think there is an age gate on this website anyways. I could be wrong though.

I will be giving Bioware $ and I have given them a nice chunk of $ in the past. I don't think they care that much.

Good advice though I guess, but I already let the cat out of the bag so probably won't help me now if I where to get banned I suppose.

Modifié par Napoleon1853, 19 octobre 2009 - 09:33 .

[Mordaedil]

Napoleon1853 wrote...

Mordaedil wrote...

Note that people admitting to being younger than 18 years old with a DAO are basically asking to be banned from the forums.
Unless the age-gate no longer applies, which it doesn't appear to.
Just saying, be careful what you go around saying.

I don't think they care that much. People lie about their age to get past the age gate all the time anyways. I do. Woops did I say that? I don't think there is an age gate on this website anyways. I could be wrong though.

I will be giving Bioware $ and I have given them a nice chunk of $ in the past. I don't think they care that much.

Good advice though I guess, but I already let the cat out of the bag so probably won't help me now if I where to get banned I suppose.

For what it counts, I certainly hope you do not, since you're a particularly contributing member now.

I tend to favor order, but I favor mental faculties over years of existance more.

[Napoleon1853]

Mordaedil wrote...

Napoleon1853 wrote...

Mordaedil wrote...

Note that people admitting to being younger than 18 years old with a DAO are basically asking to be banned from the forums.
Unless the age-gate no longer applies, which it doesn't appear to.
Just saying, be careful what you go around saying.

I don't think they care that much. People lie about their age to get past the age gate all the time anyways. I do. Woops did I say that? I don't think there is an age gate on this website anyways. I could be wrong though.

I will be giving Bioware $ and I have given them a nice chunk of $ in the past. I don't think they care that much.

Good advice though I guess, but I already let the cat out of the bag so probably won't help me now if I where to get banned I suppose.

For what it counts, I certainly hope you do not, since you're a particularly contributing member now.

I feel so special, thanks.
I also hope I don't get banned, lol.

[Jonp382]

My bad, I meant PC Gamer magazine. PCGH is German.



The probably won't. They know the age gate is useless even if required. Or Chris might throw an elbow at you, never know.

[fluffyamoeba]

I've found out people I had assumed were 12 or 13 from their behaviour online were actually in their 30s or 40s with kids. That was really weird each time it happened...



In the UK, the age rating is a legal thing the same as it is for films, alcohol etc rather than a voluntary industry thing as it is in the US. However Mass Effect, whose forum won't let you post if you are under 18 according to your account profile, is rated 12 here. So there's people who can legally buy the game but not post in the forum

[Stebenator]

in MMO everyone thinks because you are 12-15 you are stupid kid I have met 20+ who are idiots and 11 year old his spelling was hard to read but thats it! this "no kiddos" are just stupid thing... I can´t really see logic on it they maybe think 18+ people are smart and grown up >.< I judge people not by their age only what they do! but anyway I will NEVER play MMO games again they repeated same old again 1. grind 2. grind .3 grind 4. Grind gear beats skill! In Dragon Age I believe tactics matter more than gear

[Amberyl Ravenclaw]

Ironically, let me reiterate a personal feeling that, for some individuals, potentially getting on the defensive about "haterz" risks yourself looking like you're unable to handle pressure / criticism and thus as juvenile and "kiddish" as others assume you to be. You don't necessarily win battles by flailing around and temper-tantruming against the impressions that others enforce on you - but you can win by proving, quietly and persistently, that you can rise up above those stereotypes, act in a mature way, and surprise your detractors in the process. It's just one side of the argument though, and feel free to disagree.

Modifié par Amberyl Ravenclaw, 19 octobre 2009 - 02:42 .

[Maria Caliban]

I don't trust anyone under 30.

[NewYears1978]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Too true, but for me, in the DA forum, we seem to have a lot of young people. These young people... don't sound like they are over 17. Obviously that won't stop people from playing it, but still, at least learn how to type first and not act like a doofus.

Dragon Age isn't a game that focuses on phat lewt or epic lvlz. It irritates me. I may be sounding harsh here, but it is one thing in the gaming world I really dislike. It also reflects on my dislike of parents letting their young kids see/play 17+ films/games. I once saw this woman take her young (6ish) son to see Watchmen. <_<

Do I ever agree.  Some of it just gets really old...  I think it is better here than a lot of the forums though.  Spend about 1 minute over at the GameFAQs/Gamespot Forums and you will see what I mean.  But as the game release gets closer..it gets worse around here as more of the kids are making there way over.

As Lucy said, at least learn to type!  I may not be the best at English, Grammar, etc..but I can at least type clearly..to an extent.  You get tired of "wat race will u b" and things like that..

I love kids though, I have 3 girls of my own, but I wouldn't let them play Dragon Age.

[Mordaedil]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I don't trust anyone under 30.

Does that mean you're over 30? Or do you not trust yourself?

I was under the impression you were roughly 2 years older than me, though I won't go into detail about that.

[Maria Caliban]

Mordaedil wrote...

I was under the impression you were roughly 2 years older than me, though I won't go into detail about that.

You said previously that you assumed everyone was 32. Does this mean you're 30?