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[Karas7]

Yeah so Bioware... seriously, was just wondering.....What the hell were you think when you made mages in this game? They heal, they crowd control, the burst damage, they drain life, they wear plate, they dual wield. And they even get to combine some of these spells together to make bigger even better spells. What's going on, seriously. I think DA:O is possibly one of the worst balanced RPGs I've played since the first Diablo game. The balance is just abysmal. You may argue  that the other classes are there to "add to the party experience" and not be balanced with the mage. But at the end of the day they dont add anything, they just suck. The best party in this game is four mages. If I could get three morrigans, each one with varying bust size, bumper size. And varying hair colour I would. I would have a blonde morrigan that heals, a oriental themed morrigan which crowd controls and dual wields katana.and a latino morrigan with fire spec. Then there would me the king mage, ie Blood magic mage with some healing. I could then put the game on nightmare difficulty and boast on the forums about how pro I am that I school this game on nightmare difficulty in 15 hours. Whilst some other noob is playing the game properly with mage/warrior/rogue and getting his ass rectified on normal.

No exscuses, poorly balanced game. In the worst possible way. IE the game is not fun when played properly with mixed party,

[Korgaah]

I think the mage is slightly overpowered as well in the hands of an experienced PC gamer/tactitian..

I played with a rogue... I played with a 2h warrior..and, by FAR, Im having a much easier time with a mage playing through then the other two classes.. maybe the specializations will balance it out but I did not play rogue/warrior out that far.. maybe I will go back to them after I beat the game with my Mage

[bcooper56]

It's a party game why does it matter who is better?

[Nosuchluck]

Mages are always overpowered in fantasy games. You simply can't give any other class comparable abilities because you guessed it magic kicks arse. On hard difficulty if mages get meleed they die very fast I find, and a lot of the main bad guys are very resistant to mage spells so you do need a tank.

[ITSSEXYTIME]

I've been having a ton of fun with my Rogue and I certainly don't feel underpowered at all. Granted Mage's are extremely versatile but warrior and rogue are hardly unplayable.

[gcanders]

Im a mage and I die all the time. It took me 10 or more tries to get past the first ogre. Oh well, maybe it gets easier later?



My party is:



Fighter: Alistar

Mage:me

Mage; Hot chick I don't want to shelf

Rogue

[Karas7]

bcooper56 wrote...

It's a party game why does it matter who is better?

Well it matters because there's no reason to have a balanced versatile party in the game.

I understand it's possible to complete the game with a balanced party. very possiible. But that doesn't discredit the fact that there is a class in the game which is completely self dependant and does not needd any of the other classes.

Modifié par Karas7, 08 novembre 2009 - 01:49 .

[Parhasard]

Karas7 wrote...

bcooper56 wrote...

It's a party game why does it matter who is better?

Well it matters because there's no reason to have a balanced versatile party in the game.

turn off easy

[Karas7]

Parhasard wrote...

Karas7 wrote...

bcooper56 wrote...

It's a party game why does it matter who is better?

Well it matters because there's no reason to have a balanced versatile party in the game.

turn off easy

So wait. You're saying a balanced party> a party of mages? 

[Arandomindividual]

I find that the Hard difficulty suits me perfectly. I feel the need to include tanks. I haven't done much with a rogue in the team though. (2x tank/2x mage).



I think that playing as a rogue will add to the difficulty level, and playing as a mage will lower it - you get to choose, so if you think 2x+ mages make life too easy, then try playing on hard without them for the challenge that'd bring.



It is a fantastic game. BioWare has done it again.

[Mordaedil]

Wait. So me playing a rogue on Hard difficulty is like applying a mallet to my balls? I'll remember that.

[TheNecroFiend]

Why shouldn't a guy who can shoot lightning bolts out of his hand be more powerful then some dullard who swings a sword.

[Broloc]

 TBH I just bought the game off steam and after reading about everyone saying that "ZOMG THE GAME IS TOO HARD" I was kinda scared.. So I rolled a Mage (my favorite class in any rpg/game) and started playing... I decided to be an "electrical" mage first, since hell, who doesn't loves lightning effects? So after getting the PBAE lightning spell + Mind Blast (aoe stun) I seriously had no trouble at all killing... Then I got Morrigan and her sick DD spells and it's just a breeze.

Mage class is super ez in this game, makes combat too ez... I CANT imagine playing another class, specially after that part in the tower where you fight like 20 dudes. AOE = too important to not have.

Edit: Once I finish the game I will try it in nightmare with Mage again to see how hard it gets 

Modifié par Broloc, 08 novembre 2009 - 02:12 .

[Valamyr]

I usually ignore balance rants, waahh nerf paper, scisors are fine!!!11, but this one is admittedly pretty funny. The part about the Morrigans was a cute touch.

[Arandomindividual]

Indeed. The main point is that the game is incredibly fun, and keeping in mind the power of a certain class when picking it for the team is something anyone should be capable of doing. There has been a huge pile of situations where I'd never imagine how I'd pull through without the cooperation between the two companion mages on the team. (Hard difficulty).

AOE is a life saver. I've got to try and cut it down to one mage next time. Just for the sport of it.


Also; The Pause and Play gameplay is great. I often stop and just watch a freezed combat situation from multiple angles.

Modifié par Arandomindividual, 08 novembre 2009 - 02:15 .

[TheRealIncarnal]

Well, it's all fun until you face something with Templar abilities. Then it's Bye Bye mages.

[Gacatar]

Crowd control duration is lowered by a LOT on higher difficulties and enemies start having elemental resistance and higher saving throws.

Also, some of the more powerful spells costs 60-70 mana. You can only cast 4-5 of those until you run out.

You can always spam potions, but they aren't THAT cheap. Enough for boss fights, but the cost starts to add up if you want your mages kill everything.

Also, while they might have heals, they can still be killed easily. A warrior will survive being knocked down 3 times in a row. A mage won't, because it relies on heals(an active ability) instead of heavy armor (passive).



Sure, you can use Arcane Warrior and Heavy Armor, but then you can barely cast spells with that high fatigue.

[TugBot]

your probably a stupid wow gamer who thinks mages are useless, as they are in that game and cant do anything a mage should be able to do, go cry somewhere else, enjoy each class for what they are, and as some said, take your settings off easy lol.



This game is easy if you use your brains.

[vizering]

And mages in Baldur's Gate 2 were....?

[Thanatos45]

Karas7 wrote...

Parhasard wrote...

Karas7 wrote...

bcooper56 wrote...

It's a party game why does it matter who is better?

Well it matters because there's no reason to have a balanced versatile party in the game.

turn off easy

So wait. You're saying a balanced party> a party of mages? 

Depends. I just encountered a dragon for the first time (hard mode) and a party full of mages would probably have just been splattered. It resists stuff like horror so you have a really hard time to disable it (while it has a very easy time disabling you) and it dishes out some crazy damage so those flimsy spellcasters would die very soon. I really needed my main char (darf warrior) and Sten to tank so Morrigan and Leliana could slowly whittle away at it until it was wounded enough for Morrigan to kill with spells (because if I fired my spells immediately the thing would just go after her and kill her because she'd be the biggest threat, leaving me with a dragon with 2/3rds health and no mage).

[Karas7]

vizering wrote...

And mages in Baldur's Gate 2 were....?

 In D&D on the computer (BG etc). They were late bloomers. And were not that great for the first half of the game. You definitely didn't want a party of mages from the start unless you knew what you were doing and knew what every spell did etc. In other games, well mages have been good at damage. but I think this is the first time I've seen a mage class with dps and healing. And also massive amount of CC. Compared to the remaining two classes it's just sad to be honest. You can't help but feel sorry for them because  they are utter crap in comparison. That imo is a problem. it's just terrible class balance. And is not in the spirit of BG. Because in BG you definitely needed a tank and a cleric, and most of the other classes definitely felt viable in comparison to the mage. Paladin had good class specific items (holy avenger exp). And there were other classes that did a ton of dps such as the kensai.

[Craptrain]

Anyone saying that you don't need a tank or that mages can do everything is obviously playing on easy difficulty. I'm playing on hard, and if I didn't have a tank, my mage would be splattered on the wall constantly.

[Chromie]

Broloc wrote...

 TBH I just bought the game off steam and after reading about everyone saying that "ZOMG THE GAME IS TOO HARD" I was kinda scared.. So I rolled a Mage (my favorite class in any rpg/game) and started playing... I decided to be an "electrical" mage first, since hell, who doesn't loves lightning effects? So after getting the PBAE lightning spell + Mind Blast (aoe stun) I seriously had no trouble at all killing... Then I got Morrigan and her sick DD spells and it's just a breeze.

Mage class is super ez in this game, makes combat too ez... I CANT imagine playing another class, specially after that part in the tower where you fight like 20 dudes. AOE = too important to not have.

Edit: Once I finish the game I will try it in nightmare with Mage again to see how hard it gets 

It's a different story on nightmare

[Karas7]

Craptrain wrote...

Anyone saying that you don't need a tank or that mages can do everything is obviously playing on easy difficulty. I'm playing on hard, and if I didn't have a tank, my mage would be splattered on the wall constantly.

This game is really not that difficult to figure out. Imagine four mages each one with that one talent point in heal. there would be no reason for a tank. Maybe just on bosses to hold agro. Everywhere else no reason. And I haven't touched easy mode. I started on hard mode.

Modifié par Karas7, 08 novembre 2009 - 02:55 .