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[errant_knight]

...what does he say? I tried to find a video of it on Youtube, but all of those seem to be romance scenarios, or ones where he's unhardened.

The only time I did a male playthrough, I didn't know about hardening him, so he didn't do this, and my females are always in a romance with him (although sometimes it's ends minutes later , so it always defaults to me picking the ruler.

[sylvanaerie]

I thought Arl Eamon just says "So its decided Alistair will be king" or something like that and Al accepts? That being if he duels Loghain himself. Usually my PC does the duel unless its a mage then I have Al do it (I find it bad RP for a mage to root and rot the guy and nuke the bejeebus outta him right in front of the nobility considering what people think of mages anyway). So usually its up to my PCs to decide who rules.

[ejoslin]

That is exactly what happens. It's very fast.

[errant_knight]

Aw, that's too bad. I got the impression that there was a little more to it than that--a bit more 'bite me, Anora, I'm king'

[RBCharger]

My current playthrough I play a male mage with a hardened Alistair. He was at 100% approval. I supported him all the way so Anora was talking about Logain being the hero of Feraldin and that Alistair was unfit to rule. Even though Anora came out blazing against us, we got the 5 to 1 approval from the nobles. Alistair was the one who fought Logain so after he did the decapitation thing Arl Eamon said that we have to do something with Anora - that we can't leave Feraldin in a state of civil war. Alistair has a chance to have her executed but he chooses to have her locked away in a tower until the outcome of the AD is determined. . . meaning that if he dies, she can be queen.

[errant_knight]

So it doesn't add anything, it just skips the decision part. They missed a fine opportunity for some Alistair snark there, I think. Interesting that you can still win after having Anora against you. I'd heard that it's possible. I'll have to try it next time.

Modifié par errant_knight, 15 mars 2010 - 03:34 .

[RBCharger]

I know you are an Alistair fan, errant-knight. You would be proud of your guy - he really sounded like he was taking command.

Edit: You will also be happy to know that when you have Alistair is at 100% when you play a male friend, you click on him and he still says "my love?"  or his corny "Yeeeeesssss?"  The other companions questioning his male or female preference turns out to be closer to accurate than you would want to believe.  But at least you have the opportunity to choose that  he is really talking to errant-knight and not actually to your male character when he says "my love?" haha

Second edit:  I should not have thrown that first edit into my post with other people posting so fast on this thread.  The following two posts came in while I was doing the first edit.

Modifié par RBCharger, 15 mars 2010 - 03:55 .

[errant_knight]

Excellent! That's what I like to hear. My PCs go to a lot of effort for just that result.

[sylvanaerie]

**SPOILERS**



Its odd I had the vote on Anora in the playthrough with my battlemaiden and though it was 5 to 2, I still "Lost". Either it was seriously bugged or there is a hidden tally that made it impossible for me to win even though I had Vaughan, Bryland, Wulff, Sigherd and Alfstanna on my side and Loghain had that one old guy on the balcony and the man standing on the Landsmeet floor. Made for a very interesting Landsmeet, lots more dramatic if she stabs you in the back instead of supporting you. Loghain immediately orders you, Alistair and Eamon to be taken out and executed and then all pandemonium erupts in the Landsmeet.



After that I have had no trouble giving Loghain the very fate he wished on me, a traitors death on the Landsmeet floor.

[Addai]

errant_knight wrote...

So it doesn't add anything, it just skips the decision part. They missed a fine opportunity for some Alistair snark there, I think. Interesting that you can still win after having Anora against you. I'd heard that it's possible. I'll have to try it next time.

It is possible to win.  I was rather disappointed when I did, had been looking forward to exploding some fireballs in the LM chamber.    There appears to be a bit of randomization to the outcome.  I played it 3 times, choosing all the same responses, and won the vote 1 out of 3 times.

I like having Anora and Loghain lay their cards on the table.  If you lie to Anora, your PC is the bad guy.  Depends on the PC whether that fits or not.  My HNF rogue considered Anora too clever by half and saw right through every flickered eyelash, and didn't feel at all bad playing the game (edit:  i.e. sticking the knife in Anora's back rather than having it stuck in hers.  Been there, done that in Fort Drakon and was not going to go there again.)

Modifié par Addai67, 15 mars 2010 - 03:54 .

[Addai]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Its odd I had the vote on Anora in the playthrough with my battlemaiden and though it was 5 to 2, I still "Lost".

I believe Anora counts for 3 votes.

[RBCharger]

Anora counts for 3 votes? That would explain why they tried to have me executed on one playthrough. I was wondering later if I forgot to go to the tavern and to close out those quests. And I get a 5 to 1 count because after playing a city elf, I always have Vaughn give me his treasure chest key then kill him in his cell.

[sylvanaerie]

Addai67 wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

So it doesn't add anything, it just skips the decision part. They missed a fine opportunity for some Alistair snark there, I think. Interesting that you can still win after having Anora against you. I'd heard that it's possible. I'll have to try it next time.

It is possible to win.  I was rather disappointed when I did, had been looking forward to exploding some fireballs in the LM chamber.    There appears to be a bit of randomization to the outcome.  I played it 3 times, choosing all the same responses, and won the vote 1 out of 3 times.

I like having Anora and Loghain lay their cards on the table.  If you lie to Anora, your PC is the bad guy.  Depends on the PC whether that fits or not.  My HNF rogue considered Anora too clever by half and saw right through every flickered eyelash, and didn't feel at all bad playing the game.

Yea my HN usually plays the game against her and tells her sure I'll support you then stabs her in the back.  This girl though I played as pretty much honest/honorable almost to a fault.  She told Anora she was supporting Alistair and meant it (Cause I wanted to see what she says if you don't support her).

My Dalish actually DID support her since I figured she felt Anora had done an okay job before Daddy Dearest stuck his ugly mug into the mix so there wasn't much of a conflict there either.  Its the only playthrough where I let Anora rule alone and its still one of my favorite endings despite what happens with the Alienage.

For my mages it varies depending on how greedy for power they are or whether they honestly think Alistair would be a better ruler.  Sometimes I marry them to each other (since my PC romances Al almost all playthroughs, Anora is told in NO uncertain terms its strictly for politics) and thats actually my favorite (as far as whats good for Ferelden goes).  Al plus Anora is a one two punch that never fails to deliver every time.

[errant_knight]

I've lied to her since the time that all hell broke out at the landsmeet.That was my first playthrough, though, and my combat skills have improved a lot. It probably wouldn't be half as bad now. That time we survived by the skin of our teeth.
The lying really doesn't suit most of my characters. The only reason I can do it in character is that Eamon practically tells you to, but next time I won't. It might mean a battle, but that will just make it more exciting.

Modifié par errant_knight, 15 mars 2010 - 04:09 .

[sylvanaerie]

I actually DID enjoy that Landsmeet the best, lots more dramatic and FAR more urgency is felt with the duel cause you are fighting for your life knowing what waits you if you fail.

*Edit* best part is you get to call Anora a ruthless **** if you talk to her while in the decision making process

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 15 mars 2010 - 04:13 .

[Thalorin1919]

errant_knight wrote...

...what does he say? I tried to find a video of it on Youtube, but all of those seem to be romance scenarios, or ones where he's unhardened.

The only time I did a male playthrough, I didn't know about hardening him, so he didn't do this, and my females are always in a romance with him (although sometimes it's ends minutes later , so it always defaults to me picking the ruler.

-SPOILERS-

When he is hardened, and you have him duel Loghain. He will kill Loghain without you or Riordan being able to intervene. He will then accept the ruling of being King.

Then he gives this good speech. I mean, when you see him hardened during the Landsmeet you feel like you are in the presence of a King. But anyways, he gives a speech on how he never knew Maric - but that his committment was to protecting Ferelden, and that Alistair would do the same by defeating the Blight and coming back to rule as King.

This is what I have done on ever PC. Harden him and make him King on his own. He makes a very good king, and a man should be able to pick his own wife.

[Janni-in-VA]

If you're a HNF in a romance with Alistair, can you still marry him if he makes himself king?

[sylvanaerie]

not sure. I think it cuts to the decision scene? that way you can make the choice to be queen with him. Even if he duels Loghain, in which case you don't get the Al takes the throne line.

But don't hold me to that, I usually duel him on my HNF so I can marry him after.

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 15 mars 2010 - 05:20 .

[errant_knight]

Thalorin1919 wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

...what does he say? I tried to find a video of it on Youtube, but all of those seem to be romance scenarios, or ones where he's unhardened.

The only time I did a male playthrough, I didn't know about hardening him, so he didn't do this, and my females are always in a romance with him (although sometimes it's ends minutes later , so it always defaults to me picking the ruler.

-SPOILERS-

When he is hardened, and you have him duel Loghain. He will kill Loghain without you or Riordan being able to intervene. He will then accept the ruling of being King.

Then he gives this good speech. I mean, when you see him hardened during the Landsmeet you feel like you are in the presence of a King. But anyways, he gives a speech on how he never knew Maric - but that his committment was to protecting Ferelden, and that Alistair would do the same by defeating the Blight and coming back to rule as King.

This is what I have done on ever PC. Harden him and make him King on his own. He makes a very good king, and a man should be able to pick his own wife.

This is basically what happens when he's hardened but it reverts to the choosing dialogue to allow for the PC to become queen. I do wish that the game allowed for him to do the asking, given how persuasive he finds the PC, but that isn't the case. He does seem very happy about the engagement, although the low probability of an heir concerns him (we find out after the landsmeet). And  the choosing sequence unfortunately reuses one line of Alistair dialogue that is from the unhardened playthrough, which kind of spoils the feel a little. Not too much, though, because he has new dialogue when you ask him questions and he expresses his belief that he can be a good king, that he wants to, and that Anora isn't an option. All in all, Alistair steps up to the plate.

Janni-in-VA wrote...

If you're a HNF in a romance with Alistair, can you still marry him if he makes himself king?

It automatically cuts to the decision scene that I discussed above if he's not hardened, if you're in a romance, or if you engaged him to Anora but had him kill Loghain. If he's hardened, not engaged to Anora, and not in a romance, he'll just become king. Heh, I think I included everything there....

Modifié par errant_knight, 15 mars 2010 - 05:30 .

[sylvanaerie]

If he is in a romance he may grab the throne too. I have Al fight Loghain on my mages (and I always romance him cause I have only played one Cousland boy to get the male perspective on the game). On the first one he grabbed the throne for himself then I had to scramble after to keep him (my first playthrough, fortuneately I chose the right dialogues to keep from getting dumped). On subsequent plays it defaulted to my romanced PC to decide. Not sure if it was a prepatch glitch or what that caused him to grab it then. (he is always hardened in my games too)

[errant_knight]

sylvanaerie wrote...

If he is in a romance he may grab the throne too. I have Al fight Loghain on my mages (and I always romance him cause I have only played one Cousland boy to get the male perspective on the game). On the first one he grabbed the throne for himself then I had to scramble after to keep him (my first playthrough, fortuneately I chose the right dialogues to keep from getting dumped). On subsequent plays it defaulted to my romanced PC to decide. Not sure if it was a prepatch glitch or what that caused him to grab it then. (he is always hardened in my games too)

It was because you were a mage, I think.  I don't think it's supposed to go to the decision when you don't have the possibility of marrying him if he's hardened.

Modifié par errant_knight, 15 mars 2010 - 05:51 .

[sylvanaerie]

Maybe...although I like to decide who rules (I usually pick him anyway so its not too big an issue for me) and that time he's just so...wow ...he has really come into his own at this point. Just taking over the throne like that. I feel such a rush of pride when I see it. Funny how a fictional character can stir so much feeling in me.

[Addai]

I did some testing... all for science.    HNF at 100 Love, Alistair hardened

Alistair duels Loghain- You skip right to Alistair executing Loghain, no Riordan sequence at all.  Then move to the scene where the PC is asked to decide who'll rule and she can declare herself queen.

PC duels Loghain- you decide whether or not to execute Loghain, then it switches to PC deciding ruler and she can declare herself queen.  I assume this is the same if another champion besides Alistair duels.

I don't know why I never had Alistair dueling him.  My PC is a rogue so the duel is much easier for her, and there's what I said above about you being the general yadda yadda.  But if you're romancing Alistair and making him king, that scene is so...  <3.  He doesn't take any lip from Loghain and you can see clearly that he is ready to be king.  In fact I'm keeping it as my canon for that character, since I was planning on re-tooling her a bit to take her into Awakening.  So thanks to the thread for the tip!

Modifié par Addai67, 15 mars 2010 - 06:58 .

[RBCharger]

I was disappointed when there was no mention of Anora in the ending. Since she had Alistair killed if she became queen, I wanted to see that she had the same done to her. I can only assume that she was executed and that Alistair was just too polite to mention it. haha

[RBCharger]

I just logged back on and checked the journal. For Anora it just said that "in the end, she was deposed and Alistair was given the throne." No mention if she is alive or dead.