) However, this was on a game where she had set up Anora and Alistair to marry. It might be that the game skips right to Alistair accepting the throne, without that complication.Modifié par Addai67, 15 mars 2010 - 07:25 .
We discussed this in another thread or two. What my HNF would do is give Anora another opportunity to swear fealty after the Blight is ended. If she doesn't, she puts her own head on the block. A lot of other players seemed to think keeping her under house arrest was the way to go.RBCharger wrote...
I was disappointed when there was no mention of Anora in the ending. Since she had Alistair killed if she became queen, I wanted to see that she had the same done to her. I can only assume that she was executed and that Alistair was just too polite to mention it. haha
Modifié par Addai67, 15 mars 2010 - 07:23 .
Addai67 wrote...
I did some testing... all for science.HNF at 100 Love, Alistair hardened
Alistair duels Loghain- You skip right to Alistair executing Loghain, no Riordan sequence at all. Then move to the scene where the PC is asked to decide who'll rule and she can declare herself queen.
PC duels Loghain- you decide whether or not to execute Loghain, then it switches to PC deciding ruler and she can declare herself queen. I assume this is the same if another champion besides Alistair duels.
I don't know why I never had Alistair dueling him. My PC is a rogue so the duel is much easier for her, and there's what I said above about you being the general yadda yadda. But if you're romancing Alistair and making him king, that scene is so... <3. He doesn't take any lip from Loghain and you can see clearly that he is ready to be king. In fact I'm keeping it as my canon for that character, since I was planning on re-tooling her a bit to take her into Awakening. So thanks to the thread for the tip!
Modifié par errant_knight, 15 mars 2010 - 07:36 .
Addai67 wrote...
More testing. Dalish elf, 100 Love, Alistair hardened- it came out exactly as with an HNF character. She got the option to declare herself queen both when A. dueled Loghain and when she wiped the floor with him. (We all know how the queen bit works out in such cases.
Man, I had forgotten how much an ending like that sucks, even if Alistair keeps you as mistress.
This is basically the set-up I had him in, but the duel is still a lot harder than with my rogue PCs. With them, Loghain's having a grand day if he gets even a single hit in. Still, there was definitely some satisfaction in having Alistair shield-pommel him. He also did better on DE where I had him set up with Perfect Striking.errant_knight wrote...
Last time through, Alistair was like level 20, wearing the full king's armor, and carrying Maric's blade. He took Loghain apart. It was awesome! Then Loghain's all 'good to see you have some of Maric in you.' Heh. You're just seeing that now, huh, Loghain?
Modifié par Addai67, 15 mars 2010 - 02:52 .
Addai67 wrote...
This is basically the set-up I had him in, but the duel is still a lot harder than with my rogue PCs. With them, Loghain's having a grand day if he gets even a single hit in. Still, there was definitely some satisfaction in having Alistair shield-pommel him. He also did better on DE where I had him set up with Perfect Striking.errant_knight wrote...
Last time through, Alistair was like level 20, wearing the full king's armor, and carrying Maric's blade. He took Loghain apart. It was awesome! Then Loghain's all 'good to see you have some of Maric in you.' Heh. You're just seeing that now, huh, Loghain?
And Loghain sees Maric in him about three seconds before he sees nothing at all... too little, too late. Too bad he didn't see the Maric in Cailan, either, or it might have all been prevented.
You can't blame Alistair that warrior class sucks.virumor wrote...
I don't have any King's armour or Maric's blade... so the only time I let Alistair fight Loghain, he needed to guzzle about half my poultice supply. Some King, indeed. Amusingly Morrigan finished the job with a spell or three.
The deck is stacked for Loghain there, just as it is stacked for Wynne if you attack her in the Circle- suddenly she has all these spells she forgets if you recruit her.Modifié par Addai67, 15 mars 2010 - 03:45 .
virumor wrote...
I don't have any King's armour or Maric's blade... so the only time I let Alistair fight Loghain, he needed to guzzle about half my poultice supply. Some King, indeed. Amusingly Morrigan finished the job with a spell or three.
Modifié par errant_knight, 15 mars 2010 - 04:18 .
I do build Alistair correctly. The problem is that inherently Loghain is simply the superior sword&board fighter (of course, if he happens to join you, he suddenly sucks). He has more HP & does much more damage than Alistair.errant_knight wrote...
virumor wrote...
I don't have any King's armour or Maric's blade... so the only time I let Alistair fight Loghain, he needed to guzzle about half my poultice supply. Some King, indeed. Amusingly Morrigan finished the job with a spell or three.
There's something wrong with your stats, then. A mage is always more powerful than a warrior, but Alistair is as potentially strong as any of the fighters, and more so than some because of how early you get him. The only time he's ever had to guzzle poultices, he was wearing veridium medium chain to Loghain's massive plate.
I loathe that entire section after the Landsmeet. It is exactly the same as the Trial in Neverwinter Nights 2, where one is forced into a duel with a powerful melee enemy regardless of winning or losing the trial. I wish there were a dialogue option to avoid the whole mess.Addai67 wrote...
P.S. Oh, and aren't you ashamed to make
your swamp witch fight the regent? It's your fight, after all, or
Alistair's.
Modifié par virumor, 15 mars 2010 - 06:42 .
Modifié par ejoslin, 15 mars 2010 - 06:39 .
virumor wrote...
I do build Alistair correctly. The problem is that inherently Loghain is simply the superior sword&board fighter (of course, if he happens to join you, he suddenly sucks). He has more HP & does much more damage than Alistair.errant_knight wrote...
virumor wrote...
I don't have any King's armour or Maric's blade... so the only time I let Alistair fight Loghain, he needed to guzzle about half my poultice supply. Some King, indeed. Amusingly Morrigan finished the job with a spell or three.
There's something wrong with your stats, then. A mage is always more powerful than a warrior, but Alistair is as potentially strong as any of the fighters, and more so than some because of how early you get him. The only time he's ever had to guzzle poultices, he was wearing veridium medium chain to Loghain's massive plate.I loathe that entire section after the Landsmeet. It is exactly the same as the Trial in Neverwinter Nights 2, where one is forced into a duel with a powerful melee enemy regardless of winning or losing the trial. I wish there were a dialogue option to avoid the whole mess.Addai67 wrote...
P.S. Oh, and aren't you ashamed to make
your swamp witch fight the regent? It's your fight, after all, or
Alistair's.
At least a mage can finish it in under a minute.
Modifié par errant_knight, 15 mars 2010 - 07:04 .
sylvanaerie wrote...
I have no problems killing Loghain quite handily with Alistair if Al has been geared up prior. (Duncan's shield and lately I have had Cailan's armor from Rt:O on him with Starfang). I rarely have to pop a potion but usually if I do its only one. He mops the floor with Loghain, takes a bit but he does it quite nicely. Also I never use my mages (for the reasons Errant posts above) even a PC one.
In my playing around last night, I actually had an easier time with him wearing Wade's heavy plate + Keening Blade. That was an earlier game without RtO, but he had Perfect Striking which meant his blows were doing more damage. That's what is deadly about Loghain- he takes out so much health in one strike. The longer the duel goes on, the more chance you get hit with one of those swipes unless you keep him stunned or immobilized.errant_knight wrote...
He doesn't have to have stuff from the DLC, either. I've had just as good results when he was wearing Diligence and carrying a good game blade like Topsider's Honor, or the Keening Blade.
SurelyForth wrote...
In my last "official" Landsmeet, Alistair was wearing Cailan's armor and shield and had Maric's sword. When he went to fight, I took the shield and gave him Duncan's Sword. I think I had a gandmaster paralyze rune, a grandmaster hale rune and a master hale rune in both weapons so he couldn't be knocked over and Loghain spent the last half of the duel paralyzed. No health poultice's needed and he looked pretty fearsome, if I say so myself.
I do not consider it a same playing field... considering all human boss enemies have maybe twice or thrice the amount of HP of the tank in your party, and most likely deal out much more damage compared to your tank.errant_knight wrote...
And yet, Alistair manages to beat Loghain handily for me. If it takes more than a minute, it's not by much. Usually, it's less.
Personally, I'd never use a mage for this. It's supposed to be a duel which, to me, means both participants should be on the same playing field. Also mages are looked on with suspicion, and Morrigan isn't even a circle mage. It's a bit like making Wynne a bloodmage. The game mechanic allows it, but it doesn't make much sense. The nobles of the landsmeet would be up in arms if an apostate defeated the hero of Fereldan in a battle that could hardly be considered a fair duel.
Also, the only two companions with a vested interest in the outcome are the PC and Alistair.
Modifié par virumor, 15 mars 2010 - 09:26 .
virumor wrote...
I do not consider it a same playing field... considering all human boss enemies have maybe twice or thrice the amount of HP of the tank in your party, and most likely deal out much more damage compared to your tank.errant_knight wrote...
And yet, Alistair manages to beat Loghain handily for me. If it takes more than a minute, it's not by much. Usually, it's less.
Personally, I'd never use a mage for this. It's supposed to be a duel which, to me, means both participants should be on the same playing field. Also mages are looked on with suspicion, and Morrigan isn't even a circle mage. It's a bit like making Wynne a bloodmage. The game mechanic allows it, but it doesn't make much sense. The nobles of the landsmeet would be up in arms if an apostate defeated the hero of Fereldan in a battle that could hardly be considered a fair duel.
Also, the only two companions with a vested interest in the outcome are the PC and Alistair.
I've found that Alistair one on one against Cauthrien, Kolgrim or Piotrin (sp?) goes down very quickly without quaffing poultices or encapsulated into a force field. It's as if he's wearing paper instead of heavy armour.
On the other hand two-handed warriors have a very easy time due to Pommel strike which is impossible to resist.
Maybe I've just been unlucky, but Loghain basically resisted all Alistair's shield bashes & shield pummels. Considering Alistair had shield wall & precise striking up, he was out of endurance very quickly and the duel basically turned into a painfully slow battle of attrition.
Modifié par errant_knight, 15 mars 2010 - 09:39 .
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