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[sylvanaerie]

Thor Rand Al wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

I did some testing... all for science.    HNF at 100 Love, Alistair hardened

Alistair duels Loghain- You skip right to Alistair executing Loghain, no Riordan sequence at all.  Then move to the scene where the PC is asked to decide who'll rule and she can declare herself queen.

I just did this for the first time where Alistair does the duel n to me at the end it just seemed rushed when he executed Loghain.  I guess I was looking for more as far as Alistair making any comments, not the "Forget Maric, this is for Duncan" n then whack, bye bye Loghain.  It would of been nice if he'd of included Cailan in that comment.  If he's come to terms with being King then he should of come to terms of Cailan being his brother.

Actually I think this was rather appropriate really considering Alistair doesn't really know/care about Maric and barely seems to care about Cailan (Unless you consider the wildly OOC behavior of Rt:O as canon which I choose not to).  Duncan was Alistair's family, the FIRST family he's ever really had.  His father abandoned him at birth (that Loghain tells you if you recruit him that Maric was considering acknowledging him is beside the point, he never did so Al was abandoned by his father).  His brother couldn't even say "Hello" the one time Al meets him, running off to the armory to play with the shiny blades.  There weren't any familial bonds there.  The situation doesn't really call for Alistair's snarky humour and it says a LOT about how he feels when he does this that he DOESN'T say much beyond that one line.  Makes me wonder how people could say they couldn't see his blow up coming ahead of time (if you want to spare Loghain).  This felt entirely right to me and was pure Alistair.

*Edit* I type too slow, Errant said it first   Yes executing Loghain was about what he did to Alistair's real family not about Maric/Cailan and the throne.

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 16 mars 2010 - 05:39 .

[Miri1984]

Just a note to say that if you corral Alistair before the landsmeet, tell him you're supporting Anora and then get him to duel Loghain he'll let you decide who's going to be king rather than taking the throne automatically the way he does if you DON'T tell him you're supporting Anora. You lose about 10 approval points, but since I didn't give him any of his gifts except the amulet I just buttered him up straight after the approval loss and got him back up to 100 before the landsmeet.



It took me ages to work out how to get Anora as queen because I kept doing the Loghain duel myself then letting Alistair kill him. Drove me NUTS.

[urvashi]

I've only played HNF twice. My first unspoiled PC didn't know to harden to Ali, wouldn't have dreamed of demanding to be made queen at the Landsmeet (was secretly hoping Ali would ask her afterwards) and then got dumped by him after making him king.

After that, I played all kinds of PC and whenever I let hardened Alistair duel Loghain, he would take the throne without my having any say in it. So when I played my most recent HNF with the intention of becoming Queen, I made sure to duel Loghain myself so I'd have the choice to rule with him. And here I learn I could have let Alistair do the duel and still have the choice. Ah well.

The funny thing is, even when hardened Alistair takes the throne himself, he'll start the post Landsmeet conversation with "You made me king." No, no I didn't. You made you king.

[errant_knight]

Yeah, that's the bit of unhardened dialogue that gets reused that we were talking about. It's jarring isn't it? And the only place where a hardened Alistair doesn't ask to be made king. It must have been to save money but it's probably the most noticable piece of reused dialogue not working in the game.

Oops, different line of reused dialogue! That's what typing before coffee gets me.

Modifié par errant_knight, 16 mars 2010 - 04:10 .

[Urazz]

sylvanaerie wrote...
Actually I think this was rather appropriate really considering Alistair doesn't really know/care about Maric and barely seems to care about Cailan (Unless you consider the wildly OOC behavior of Rt:O as canon which I choose not to).

I didn't find it OOC.  He wasn't acting like he was close to Cailan or anything.  More like he was feeling pity towards Cailan's fate and the times he talked to Cailan's corpse was him treating him as a king.  Which makes sense if you do RTO before the Landsmeet.

[urvashi]

errant_knight wrote...

Yeah, that's the bit of unhardened dialogue that gets reused that we were talking about. It's jarring isn't it? And the only place where a hardened Alistair doesn't ask to be made king. It must have been to save money but it's probably the most noticable piece of reused dialogue not working in the game.

Oops, different line of reused dialogue! That's what typing before coffee gets me.

 It's also jarring to have him tell you you made him king when you didn't. I was really glad that in my last playthrough where I announced our 'engagement' at the Landsmeet that he actually had something different to start the post-Landsmeet conversation with.
And then he said something about how my announcing the engagement saved him the trouble of asking me. As I said before, I've only played HNF twice, and the first time around didn't harden Alistair. If you harden him and he becomes king without you choosing to rule beside him at the Landsmeet, he doesn't actually ask you to later, does he?
I know he doesn't with mages or elves of course, but when he said that to Regan (HNF) I wondered if maybe it plays out differently for Cousland.

[SurelyForth]

urvashi wrote...

 It's also jarring to have him tell you you made him king when you didn't. I was really glad that in my last playthrough where I announced our 'engagement' at the Landsmeet that he actually had something different to start the post-Landsmeet conversation with.
And then he said something about how my announcing the engagement saved him the trouble of asking me. As I said before, I've only played HNF twice, and the first time around didn't harden Alistair. If you harden him and he becomes king without you choosing to rule beside him at the Landsmeet, he doesn't actually ask you to later, does he?

I know he doesn't with mages or elves of course, but when he said that to Regan (HNF) I wondered if maybe it plays out differently for Cousland.

If you are a HNF and don't make yourself Queen at the Landsmeet, he tries to break up with you. It sucks, but I think fangirls would burn down Bioware HQ if HNF's got the chance to be Queen AND a chance for a proposal.

[HoonDing]

Is there any way to have Anora executed by a hardened Alistar as King? I know he doesn't when the PC chose to support Anora initially, but what if you had her ignored all along and she betrays you during the Landsmeet?

[SurelyForth]

virumor wrote...

Is there any way to have Anora executed by a hardened Alistar as King? I know he doesn't when the PC chose to support Anora initially, but what if you had her ignored all along and she betrays you during the Landsmeet?

No. He'll always name her his heir and send her to be locked up to be dealt with after the Archdemon is defeated. There's no mention of what happens after his coronation.

[Aveiceae]

I had a weird "glitch" - Alistair made himself king, Anora got locked up, and my HNF married him, but in the epilogue, it made mention of "Queen Anora being uncomfortable with Alistair hanging around with his love" (not in those exact words, but pretty much that). I didn't quite get why that happened; I even redid my post-coronation scene and launched the epilogue again, but same thing. o_O

[Cuddlezarro]

Aveiceae wrote...

I had a weird "glitch" - Alistair made himself king, Anora got locked up, and my HNF married him, but in the epilogue, it made mention of "Queen Anora being uncomfortable with Alistair hanging around with his love" (not in those exact words, but pretty much that). I didn't quite get why that happened; I even redid my post-coronation scene and launched the epilogue again, but same thing. o_O

I got this glitch before...as a guy

[SurelyForth]

Aveiceae wrote...

I had a weird "glitch" - Alistair made himself king, Anora got locked up, and my HNF married him, but in the epilogue, it made mention of "Queen Anora being uncomfortable with Alistair hanging around with his love" (not in those exact words, but pretty much that). I didn't quite get why that happened; I even redid my post-coronation scene and launched the epilogue again, but same thing. o_O

It seems like the game recycles the same epilogue cards for the romances whether they fit or not. So, if Alistair is King and you stay in Denerim with him you get that card whether you're his wife or mistress (and Anora still disapproves even if you're his mistress but he isn't married to her).

If you don't have any mods to change the dialogue with Alistair after his coronation, you can bring up Anora at that point as well, even if she is completely out of the picture.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 16 mars 2010 - 08:09 .

[urvashi]

I've gotten that one too, whenever I play a female that has romanced Alistair and is still in a romance with him after he's made king, even though I didn't set him up with Anora.

I'm happy I've never gotten that one with a male PC, lol.