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[hithomas]

Valmy wrote...

Finding women sexy in high heels means I do not respect women eh? Sorry no guilt for feeling how I feel.

I think you misunderstood me, there is nothing wrong with finding women in high heels sexy(I mean that is the most common reason they are worn and a lot of the time they have the desired effect.) All I was saying was that there is nothing wrong with disliking the portrayal of women in the media (which isn't exactly respectful in any way shape or form.) 

I also fully support kmcd5722's posts.

Modifié par hithomas, 15 mars 2010 - 09:15 .

[Lightice_av]

I also fully support kmcd5722's posts.

Amen. Though with Samara there's at least some justification, if you ignore the necessities of combat, like most squadmates in the game. She's an asari matriarch, and they seem to show their cleavage to emphasize their maternal qualities. It's fanservice to be sure, but halfway justified in her case, unlike with Miranda. And neither really should wear heels in combat. Thankfully it's so small detail it's fairly easy to ignore.

[MaaZeus]

SuperMedbh wrote...

It's marketing, really. Character modelers routinely make these realistic models, only to have the marketing boys come in and tell them to give the males bigger biceps and the women larger cup sizes. High heels and peek-a-boo armour also fall under that motif. It sells, apparently, and they've got the spreadsheets to prove it.

That would be true to egoshooters and otherwise shallow games, they ride on more superficial things like sex appeal and whatever. But what makes Mass Effects sell is totally different from those games. ME2 would have sold equally well with more cleanly modeled characters, and as a bonus it would have annoyed less the gamers who have more (IMHO atleast) mature POVs (or are just perfectionists) on these subjects.

Modifié par MaaZeus, 15 mars 2010 - 09:25 .

[Gingeraids]

Well I do have to say, this is one of the first topics I've been a part of that hasn't exploded into a flame war.



Well done, good sirs and madams.

[CaptainZaysh]

Mass Effect is supposed to be a little camp and pulpy, though, right? I seem to remember the devs talking about how they wanted it to have the feel of an 80s sci fi epic. I think putting the actresses in heels kind of plays into this. It's a small thing to make them more attractive, like the way the girls of Dragon Age don't all come with authentic hairy legs and rotting teeth.

[Kileyan]

Chaos-fusion wrote...

Lightice_av wrote...

Well, while I can't make a personal assessment, a fair number of fangirl squeals say that your opinion isn't the only one around. And incidentally, if Jacob is Mr. Cartoon-Proportions, then Miranda definately qualifies as Ms. C-P, in that case, and Thane is a lizard, not a fish; moisture actually makes him sick.

Oh, I know, I know. Good point about Thane too. I don't claim to have the one true opinion either (In fact, I'm quite sure I'm in the minority). They should ramp up the female fan service though. Have Jacob wander around topless or something, to make it up to us.

Only if the females on the ship wonder around topless. I'm all for equal rights and women being able to do everything men can do. We must be equal in all things. Its just the right thing to do.

[rabbitchannel]

YES! I want it! To hell with practicality!



Here you go: high heels for soldiers

[Schneidend]

Dave the Seagull wrote...

I'm afraid TV Tropes disagrees.

(Mildy NSFW for obvious reasons.)

TV Tropes is all kinds of awesome, but I have to agree with the OP. Everybody should be in customizable N7-like armor.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

I personally cannot stand any liberties with reality in my video games about space men and aliens traveling across the universe to defeat living machines from beyond time.



I get so angry on the inside. :*-(

[Kileyan]

rab****annel wrote...

YES! I want it! To hell with practicality!

Here you go: high heels for soldiers

That shoes is so unrealistic for combat, everyone knows greys and dull blacks are the camo colors for Mass Effect.

[Scottthesnow]

You know Samara dosent just run in high heels, she can fly too.



The model for Samara and Miranda is simply the stripper body model retooled from ME1, its not new. It also sacrificed the capability of easily having customizable armor for them.

[SuperMedbh]

MaaZeus wrote...

SuperMedbh wrote...

It's marketing, really. Character modelers routinely make these realistic models, only to have the marketing boys come in and tell them to give the males bigger biceps and the women larger cup sizes. High heels and peek-a-boo armour also fall under that motif. It sells, apparently, and they've got the spreadsheets to prove it.

That would be true to egoshooters and otherwise shallow games, they ride on more superficial things like sex appeal and whatever. But what makes Mass Effects sell is totally different from those games. ME2 would have sold equally well with more cleanly modeled characters, and as a bonus it would have annoyed less the gamers who have more (IMHO atleast) mature POVs (or are just perfectionists) on these subjects.

FWIW, I was paraphrasing what a lead character modeler at a major game company once told me.  But I agree with you--  Bioware does a much better job of having realistic women characters, both in the modeling and their behavior, and I think that reflects/attracts an audience with a somewhat more mature POV.  I don't have a problem with Miranda, though.  In a way, she's her daddy's Barbie doll.  She's quite literally artificial. 

[OneBadAssMother]

Schneidend wrote...

Dave the Seagull wrote...

I'm afraid TV Tropes disagrees.

(Mildy NSFW for obvious reasons.)

TV Tropes is all kinds of awesome, but I have to agree with the OP. Everybody should be in customizable N7-like armor.

Aye!

[KainrycKarr]

I just don't get why it has to unrealistic to be sexy. Mass Effect had tasteful, sexy scenes without the females running around in completely un-combat-efficient outfits. The change really wasn't needed...if they wanted Miranda to have huge boobs and a shapely butt, they could have simply molded her armor mesh to show it. They didn't need to put her arse in high-heels.

[AngryFrozenWater]

gauntz wrote...

Actually, thinking about it, didn't European nobles, at least French ones, use high heeled boots back in the 18/19th century? I'm talking about men with the equivalent of military boots. I swear I've seen a painting of Louis XIV with high heeled boots.

You are right, although these were mainly worn by aristocrats. Have a look at this archived website.

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

It is kind of goofy how Miranda and Samara are dressed. Then again there are several things that don't make sense about the outfits of our companions. Like whenever they are boarding a Reaper for the IFF or are in presumably hostile environments yet all they have on are breather masks with portions of skin or their eyes exposed to toxins, bacteria or extreme temperatures.





I agree with a previous poster in taking Garrus and Tali almost everywhere with my Shepards. At least they are dressed for the missions.

[Archangel5585]

simple, its the future and a GAME, anything goes in games look at half the unrealistic crap your arguing over petty things why not argue about how the geth heretics make up 5% of the geth population better yet, mass effect fields and biotics. Pick your battles wiser people. Also Its not unrealistic to think a character in a future game can fight epicly with high heels, props to miranda and samara and shame on you guys.

Modifié par Archangel5585, 16 mars 2010 - 12:30 .

[kmcd5722]

Archangel5585 wrote...

simple, its the future and a GAME, anything goes in games look at half the unrealistic crap your arguing over petty things why not argue about how the geth heretics make up 5% of the geth population better yet, mass effect fields and biotics. Pick your battles wiser people. Also Its not unrealistic to think a character in a future game can fight epicly with high heels, props to miranda and samara and shame on you guys.

1) Have you ever worn high heels?  I haven't, but common knowledge shows that they don't make it easy to maneuver or run.  I guess you must have thought by it's not unrealistic to think in "future games" you could fight in them must mean that the character literally has been wearing heels since day one, they actually melded into the skin.  I assure you, that did not happen.

2) Using the excuse, "it's a GAME,"  doesn't do anything.  Yes, I agree you could argue away with the physics of mass effect fields and FTL, and so on.  However, I believe you have it backwards; it would actually be better to argue the small things and not the big things.  Why?  Because of everything else about the game relies on the big things!  To refute what you said, if breaking the second law of thermodynamics when you use mass effect fields offends you so much you can't play Mass Effect, then obviously you couldn't accept ANYTHING about the game, including high heels.  

3) Do not presume to know us and thereby believe you have some power to paternally insult us with "shame on you."

[Archangel5585]

well i like to enjoy games but you all try to ruin it by pointing out all that is bad, i dont know you but i know you as people are pretty much trying to ruin the game for other people by arguing such things.

[Djehutynakht]

HakkyounoTenshi wrote...

I admit when I saw the shoes my first thought was "What is she wearing? She's going to break an ankle in those shoes. And someone with her background should know better."

As a female player, I find all this a bit insulting. I mean it's not like Bioware goes out of it's way to give the male characters sex appeal.

As a male player, I find this all to be insulting.  Not only is BioWare expressing a rather unenlightened view of women, they're clearly communicating that men are expected to hold this same view.  It's infantile at best, and rather pathetic.

[kmcd5722]

Archangel5585 wrote...

well i like to enjoy games but you all try to ruin it by pointing out all that is bad, i dont know you but i know you as people are pretty much trying to ruin the game for other people by arguing such things.

Because you know SO much about us...  I loved Mass Effect 2 and 1 (both in my top 5 games after 19 years of gaming), its just I find some things a little out of place.  I must be ruining something, it couldn't be that I would like to see some change to make things more realistic.

[Archangel5585]

also for realistic it can only be realistic if you can feel the gunshot wounds and feel the blood and all five senses are appeased only then will it be realistic.

[RighteousRage]

celticeagle13 wrote...

gauntz wrote...

I really don't see the appeal of high heels at all, and I'm a man. I feel the same about the portrayal of women in loads of media. Makes me cringe. Tight bodysuits? Hell yeah, this is sci-fi and we're already making "unbreakable" t-shirts of nanotubes. Cleavage and high heels, no thanks.

You call yourself a man?  Apparently not much of one based on your veiws<_<

Modifié par RighteousRage, 16 mars 2010 - 01:34 .

[Archangel5585]

put it this way no matter how much you want it games cannot be totally realistic. period.

[RighteousRage]

Pfft, the point isn't to make the game as realistic as possible, it's to make it realistic enough so as to not break willing suspension of disbelief