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[missedstations]

Personally, I just felt like a ****** with my female Shepard in full armour with Jack in her nipple harness behind me apparently as well protected as I.

[missedstations]

Oops, double post.

Modifié par missedstations, 16 mars 2010 - 05:39 .

[SuperMedbh]

nelly21 wrote...
I personally don't like it. It kind of takes the toughness out of the character for me. I am extremely attracted to strong women (as my wife can attest to lol). To me, there's nothing sexier than a tough girl who is still feminine. Anybody who watches NCIS will know exactly what I'm talking about (Ziva).

You know, that's one of the things that drew me to Bioware games.  Speaking as an adult woman who actually likes video games, it's nice to have a female character you can empasize with.  My FemShep is just the sort of person I'd like to be--  good looking, sure, but also tough and assertive.  I think the voice actor did a great job of conveying that, and the outfits actually looked like, well, armour and uniforms.  It's only a couple of NPCs in ME2 that break away from that.

To be fair, though, Miranda and Jack have backgrounds that explain their costumes.  Miranda is a bit of a vamp, and Jack is trying to be outrageous.  I suppose their biotic powers allow them to wear those outfits in combat   Maybe if you don't have any points in Lift, Miranda will fall over!

[Valmy]

nelly21 wrote...

I think the heels are used as a device to exude sexiness in otherwise tough female characters. Most mediums use this device (comics, tv shows, movies, video games).

Well real life women wear heels...in situations where one would wear heels.  If Miranda and Samara wear heals around the ship that would not be out of character for their characters at all.

But running around shooting assualt rifles with heels on is just silly.  And anyway it is not like Miranda or Samara were not feminine and needed to be dolled up to be sexy.  They both plenty sexy on their own merits because of their personality, style, and appearance.

[Valmy]

SuperMedbh wrote...
Miranda is a bit of a vamp

See that sort of annoys me.  She is not a Vamp, Cerberus put her in charge of a medical project for two years, not out seducing government agents for secrets or whatever...and nothing about her background indicates she was ever used for that sort of work.  She says she enjoys working for Cerberus because they give her impossible projects that test her abilities.  Being a vamp does not really fit that catagory.

Her outfit though has people assuming things about the character that otherwise are not there.

[Deviija]

The revealing outfits, heels, and ridiculous skimpy in combat really got to me. Did not like. Do not want. Unless the universe is uniform in everyone wearing skimpy outfits (meaning both genders) and running around purely for sex appeal in attire that shouldn't be in combat situations, then I'd rather not just have the ladies being exploited.

[SuperMedbh]

See that sort of annoys me.  She is not a Vamp, Cerberus put her in
charge of a medical project for two years, not out seducing government
agents for secrets or whatever...and nothing about her background
indicates she was ever used for that sort of work.

Point taken. I do know women who are completely professional/intelligent at work, and will act like that on their time off (each to their own, but stop complaining to me when you don't meet nice guys, m'kay?) But Miranda IS at work, isn't she?

She does drop that comment about how her looks were designed to help her get ahead, though. One could argue that she's just using that in the workplace. Her sexiness is just another tool to her.

Modifié par SuperMedbh, 16 mars 2010 - 06:03 .

[Lightice_av]

She does drop that comment about how her looks were designed to help her get ahead, though. One could argue that she's just using that in the workplace. Her sexiness is just another tool to her.

On ship fair enough - maybe. In combat, not so much.

Unless the universe is uniform in everyone wearing skimpy outfits (meaning both genders) and running around purely for sex appeal in attire that shouldn't be in combat situations, then I'd rather not just have the ladies being exploited.

Well, Thane has half of his chest bare and Jacob goes aroundin that ridiculous skintight outfit. And it's just as silly for them as it is for the ladies.

Though my complaint is mainly about Miranda, since Jack doesn't give damn about social conventions and you're supposed to pay attention to her tattoos rather than her assets, anyway, and Samara has the excuse of cultural differences, though she still shouldn't have heels in combat. .

[nelly21]

Valmy wrote...

nelly21 wrote...

I think the heels are used as a device to exude sexiness in otherwise tough female characters. Most mediums use this device (comics, tv shows, movies, video games).

Well real life women wear heels...in situations where one would wear heels.  If Miranda and Samara wear heals around the ship that would not be out of character for their characters at all.

But running around shooting assualt rifles with heels on is just silly.  And anyway it is not like Miranda or Samara were not feminine and needed to be dolled up to be sexy.  They both plenty sexy on their own merits because of their personality, style, and appearance.

Agreed. I'd be cool with the heels on the Normandy, but give her some frickin' combat boots when we're shooting Collectors darn it!

[A Fhaol Bhig]

This thread!

NO!

[ObserverStatus]

ME2 high heals are VERY practical they have pistons in them that propel the wearers as they run.
Here is the modern day equivalent.

[Blackveldt]

SuperMedbh wrote...

See that sort of annoys me.  She is not a Vamp, Cerberus put her in
charge of a medical project for two years, not out seducing government
agents for secrets or whatever...and nothing about her background
indicates she was ever used for that sort of work.

Point taken. I do know women who are completely professional/intelligent at work, and will act like that on their time off (each to their own, but stop complaining to me when you don't meet nice guys, m'kay?) But Miranda IS at work, isn't she?

She does drop that comment about how her looks were designed to help her get ahead, though. One could argue that she's just using that in the workplace. Her sexiness is just another tool to her.

Which makes her a big, flaming hypocrite considering how much she complains about it.

High heels are literally unhealthy:  it causes inflammation of the tendons, even altering your normal posture and gait the more you get used to and wear heels.  I actually have a friend who will not wear flats or tennis shoes anymore because she says, "it feels uncomfortable/weird."  Normally, weight and gravity is spread evenly across the foot when it is flat; heels make it so that it is specifically on your heel.  This in turn causes arthritis, back and knee problems.  And these are basically best-case scenarios as prolonged use can possibility lead to more detrimental conditions.

Now, Miranda is smart; she is practical and efficient.  How in the heck is this practical and efficient?  Even if you were to dredge up some nonsense about it being the future and therefore, they have technology to prevent this, etc, that just means that technology must be implemented in the first place, which drains resources and time.

I don't have a huge problem with high heels; I have a problem with consistency in character and plain common sense.  The woman is charging into battle for goodness sakes.  Daily.  Tell me that fashion is more important.

And what does meeting nice guys have anything to do with anything?  Are you saying that all males are so shallow as to only consider a female's shoeware?  That 'nice guys' place so much emphasis on appearance because personality is considered secondary?  If those are your nice guys, I'm afraid to know what your bad guys are.

[Elliotron]

I too hope that ME3 boasts more characters like Gunnery Chief Williams, Jill Dah, and Tali'zorah and less space witches.

[nelly21]

Elliotron wrote...

I too hope that ME3 boasts more characters like Gunnery Chief Williams, Jill Dah, and Tali'zorah and less SMOKING HOT space witches.

Fixed

[indiramourning]

I've been playing City of Heroes for too long to see anything strange about fighting in high heels.

[ilPianiste]

Miranda's (and Samara's) High-Heels go along with her catsuit (Samara's Superheroine-Costume) - both may(!?) be ok on the normandy (even if not exactly acceptable professional outfits by our present standards, aside from "certain" professions ...) but are totally ridiculous in combat or in space (= vacuum).

In combat they at least need ARMOR, in space they have to wear a proper helmet too (and NO heels in both places).

And though I like the look of heels on attractive women, even on "my" ship I'd rather have them wear outfits that are not TOO sexy, because it fits the setting much better. IMO.

(And by the way, those heels Miranda is wearing aren't very sexy, I feel. They just make her stick out her ass "naturally" ...)
 

Modifié par ilPianiste, 16 mars 2010 - 06:57 .

[Elliotron]

nelly21 wrote...

Elliotron wrote...

I too hope that ME3 boasts more characters like Gunnery Chief Williams, Jill Dah, and Tali'zorah and less SMOKING HOT space witches.

Fixed

lol. 
yes. i entirely support an army of high-heeled biotic space-hags under my command for ME3.

[nelly21]

Elliotron wrote...

nelly21 wrote...

Elliotron wrote...

I too hope that ME3 boasts more characters like Gunnery Chief Williams, Jill Dah, and Tali'zorah and less SMOKING HOT space witches.

Fixed

lol. 
yes. i entirely support an army of high-heeled biotic space-hags under my command for ME3.

I have to admit, the idea of what my Shep could do with an army of Mirandas is....enticing.

[Elvis_Mazur]

Don't you think that is a little useless to discuss this?

[nelly21]

Don't you think adding a useless question to what you claim is a useless thread is useless?

[OlG-fr]

Well I really don't think it's fanboys service and such.

In ME1 if you are a female Shepard and get Ashley and Liara in your Squad, with the same armor and helmet put on, you're exactly the same. It's not a problem per say, and fits the military squad background.
But ME2 is about The Dirty Dozen. They had to make sure you catch each character through their look. ME2 is all about your patchwork of companions, I don't think they wanted to dilute their unique character throught generic armour.

Don't get me wong, I find high heels on Samara and Miranda just moronic, but I understand the why, which isn't just to make sexy and make boys drools.

Very strong and self confident women with perfect control of their body (and sexuality), Alpha women, they must have pictured them on heels, taking hights i guess.

That said I find Samara outfit on the same level than her heels, way too high. It doesn't depict her well imho.

[Gocad]

Wearing high heels = NPC trips at least once per mission. (Twice during suicide mission for no reason)

[Elliotron]

on the other hand, as so many lecherous men in action movies point out, being able to walk in heels is a dying art. who am i to argue with a renaissance in footwear.

[CaptainZaysh]

Blackveldt wrote...

High heels are literally unhealthy:  it causes inflammation of the tendons, even altering your normal posture and gait the more you get used to and wear heels.  I actually have a friend who will not wear flats or tennis shoes anymore because she says, "it feels uncomfortable/weird."  Normally, weight and gravity is spread evenly across the foot when it is flat; heels make it so that it is specifically on your heel.  This in turn causes arthritis, back and knee problems.  And these are basically best-case scenarios as prolonged use can possibility lead to more detrimental conditions.

Being a soldier is literally unhealthy.  It causes you to get shot, blown up and otherwise mangled.  Even if you get lucky and survive all the loud noises cause hearing problems, carrying all that kit around is hell on your knees and back, etc.  However, plenty of smart, practical and efficient people choose to be soldiers.  Health is not the only thing people care about.

Blackveldt wrote...
Now, Miranda is smart; she is practical and efficient.  How in the heck is this practical and efficient?

Attractive people earn more money and are judged to be more competent than unattractive ones, so maybe that drives her wardrobe choices.  Also, she works closely under a known womaniser and hedonist.  Maybe without the heels and catsuits she wouldn't have fascinated him enough to be the second in command, in charge of the organisation's biggest project.

Blackveldt wrote...

And what does meeting nice guys have anything to do with anything?  Are you saying that all males are so shallow as to only consider a female's shoeware?  That 'nice guys' place so much emphasis on appearance because personality is considered secondary?  If those are your nice guys, I'm afraid to know what your bad guys are.

C'mon, physical attractiveness is important in a relationship.  In choosing between an ugly girl with a nice personality or a beautiful girl with a nice personality, you'd go for the beauty if you could.

[SuperMedbh]

Blackveldt wrote...

And what does meeting nice guys have anything to do with anything?  Are you saying that all males are so shallow as to only consider a female's shoeware?  That 'nice guys' place so much emphasis on appearance because personality is considered secondary?  If those are your nice guys, I'm afraid to know what your bad guys are.

You misunderstand me.  I mean the ones who can't turn off that stupid tease act don't meet nice guys, or at least seem to turn them off after a while (guys, you tell me--  it's just my observation of friends).  I hate to say it, but Miranda reminds me a bit of those sorts.