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[Godak]

November Cousland wrote...

Vaeliorin wrote...

*On a serious note, we're a bit more socially conservative in the Midwest.  Miss/Sir/Ma'am is generally the preferred form of address.

I grew up in Texas calling people sir and ma'am. I spent a summer in Illinois once and Ma'am was horribly offensive to most of the women I met there. I was unable to get out of the habit and so I pissed off a lot of nice ladies.

Why did they find "ma'am" offensive?

[Daewan]

If you've ever seen some of the cows from Illinois, you'd understand. They all think you're being insulting when you accuse them of being women.



(currently in the Midwest staring at a green river and wishing he could dump some people in it)

[Madame November]

It was explained to me that it was like calling them old. I don't really get it, because it's just a term of respect to me. Maybe I am just weird though. My best friend in Texas (she was probably the more mature of the two of us) always called me "momma." I still don't understand that either. *shrug*

[Godak]

November Cousland wrote...

It was explained to me that it was like calling them old. I don't really get it, because it's just a term of respect to me. Maybe I am just weird though. My best friend in Texas (she was probably the more mature of the two of us) always called me "momma." I still don't understand that either. *shrug*

To me, ma'am/madame/mrs. are all the same thing: terms used to show respect.

...Crazy Illinois people.

[Dark Lilith]

Godak wrote...

November Cousland wrote...

It was explained to me that it was like calling them old. I don't really get it, because it's just a term of respect to me. Maybe I am just weird though. My best friend in Texas (she was probably the more mature of the two of us) always called me "momma." I still don't understand that either. *shrug*

To me, ma'am/madame/mrs. are all the same thing: terms used to show respect.

...Crazy Illinois people.

watch it buster!.moooooooo

[Madame November]

Dark Lilith wrote...

Godak wrote...

November Cousland wrote...

It was explained to me that it was like calling them old. I don't really get it, because it's just a term of respect to me. Maybe I am just weird though. My best friend in Texas (she was probably the more mature of the two of us) always called me "momma." I still don't understand that either. *shrug*

To me, ma'am/madame/mrs. are all the same thing: terms used to show respect.

...Crazy Illinois people.

watch it buster!.moooooooo

So does Ma'am bother you, Lilith? Or was it just the people I was meeting?

[Statulos]

November Cousland wrote...

Vaeliorin wrote...

*On a serious note, we're a bit more socially conservative in the Midwest.  Miss/Sir/Ma'am is generally the preferred form of address.

I grew up in Texas calling people sir and ma'am. I spent a summer in Illinois once and Ma'am was horribly offensive to most of the women I met there. I was unable to get out of the habit and so I pissed off a lot of nice ladies.

That is the way I treat people over here since English, unlike German or Spanish, does not make difference between the standard you and the polite you.

No issues so far, but people in restaurants tend to look at me like a weirdo for treating even young people like that.

[Dark Lilith]

November Cousland wrote...

Dark Lilith wrote...

Godak wrote...

November Cousland wrote...

It was explained to me that it was like calling them old. I don't really get it, because it's just a term of respect to me. Maybe I am just weird though. My best friend in Texas (she was probably the more mature of the two of us) always called me "momma." I still don't understand that either. *shrug*

To me, ma'am/madame/mrs. are all the same thing: terms used to show respect.

...Crazy Illinois people.

watch it buster!.moooooooo

So does Ma'am bother you, Lilith? Or was it just the people I was meeting?

I take no offense at it.I was more taken aback by the cows from Illinois statement hense my moo.I was always taught to use sir or madame when speaking to an elder,but my dad was born in 1950,hense  his upbringing carried over into our family

[Statulos]

Cows in Illinois? Probably with the amount of polution in the state they are more like the bhramin from Fallout...

[Madame November]

Statulos wrote...

Cows in Illinois? Probably with the amount of polution in the state they are more like the bhramin from Fallout...

Everyone knows the fallout Brahmin were superior. Two head means twice as much food going in to be converted to energy. Plus, they defended me in battle.<3

[Dark Lilith]

Statulos wrote...

Cows in Illinois? Probably with the amount of polution in the state they are more like the bhramin from Fallout...

Chicago's air polution is terrible.I get anywhere near that city and my nose runs and my eyes tear up. Thank god I'll be leaving Illinois soon.

[Godak]

November Cousland wrote...

Statulos wrote...

Cows in Illinois? Probably with the amount of polution in the state they are more like the bhramin from Fallout...

Everyone knows the fallout Brahmin were superior. Two head means twice as much food going in to be converted to energy. Plus, they defended me in battle.<3

I love that perk...The Yao Guai would totally rage over everything that got within ten feet of me. They have this crazy awesome rape radius. Everything just turns into eyeballs and intestines.

[Statulos]

Coming from a country where industry is an anecdote compared to this one; it is shocking to get to the "rust belt" over here and even more, to the outskirts of Chicago.

Even here, almost in Kentucky, the light polution and radiation is so huge that night is never completely black; gettin a horizon line with a fancy pink/orange colour all night long.

Modifié par Statulos, 17 mars 2010 - 04:52 .

[AntiChri5]

Godak wrote...

November Cousland wrote...

Statulos wrote...

Cows in Illinois? Probably with the amount of polution in the state they are more like the bhramin from Fallout...

Everyone knows the fallout Brahmin were superior. Two head means twice as much food going in to be converted to energy. Plus, they defended me in battle.<3

I love that perk...The Yao Guai would totally rage over everything that got within ten feet of me. They have this crazy awesome rape radius. Everything just turns into eyeballs and intestines.

Nothing was my friend on that game. Well, nothing stayed my freind on that game. Maybe it has something to do with how often i used the Fat Man.

[Daewan]

I was being equal opportunity offensive with the cows thing. So, yeah. Moo.

I hate being stuck in the Sears Tower; you think the outside air is bad? Inside these old buildings, it's like allergy central. I think they don't clean the ventilation shafts because they are storing bodies in there.

Also, moo.

Plus, the real cows (moo) are somehow tastier here than in other states. Why is that?

[Dark Lilith]

Statulos wrote...

Coming from a country where industry is an anecdote compared to this one; it is shocking to get to the "rust belt" over here and even more, to the outskirts of Chicago.

Even here, almost in Kentucky, the light polution and radiation is so huge that night is never completely black; gettin a horizon line with a fancy pink/orange colour all night long.

its still better than northern Illinois.

[Dark Lilith]

Daewan wrote...

I was being equal opportunity offensive with the cows thing. So, yeah. Moo.
I hate being stuck in the Sears Tower; you think the outside air is bad? Inside these old buildings, it's like allergy central. I think they don't clean the ventilation shafts because they are storing bodies in there.
Also, moo.
Plus, the real cows (moo) are somehow tastier here than in other states. Why is that?

Jimmy Hoffa is in the Sears Tower. And Illinois beef is ok as long as its raised without growth hormones and pumped full of anti-biotics. Organic girl! sorry.

[MerinTB]

Dark Lilith wrote...

Godak wrote...

November Cousland wrote...
It was explained to me that it was like calling them old. I don't really get it, because it's just a term of respect to me. Maybe I am just weird though. My best friend in Texas (she was probably the more mature of the two of us) always called me "momma." I still don't understand that either. *shrug*

To me, ma'am/madame/mrs. are all the same thing: terms used to show respect.

...Crazy Illinois people.

watch it buster!.moooooooo

Different regions have different quirks of language.

I know one from many Southern states that really tickles us in the midwest - calling all drinks "Cokes."  It's one of those name-brand things, like people calling all facial tissue "Kleenex" or all plastic wrap "Saran wrap" or all adhesive bandages "band-aids" -
except, in this case, Coke is a kind of soda with a distinct flavor, but we witnessed all of the following (me an others, military and non-military, on various trips to Georgia and Texas and Oklahoma) -
"I'll have a Coke" is the intro, and "What kind?" is the question for all of the following:
tea, Mountain Dew, Pepsi, coffee, water.
So it went "I'll have a Coke", "What kind?", "Pepsi." and "I'll have a Coke", "What kind?", "Water."
Seriously.

So to many, yes, ma'am is insulting because it does, for many, refer to age.  Like senorita and senora.  Regional language quirks can be funny, sure, but I think I'd be silly to think Southerner's rude for asking me "what kind?" when I was asking for a Coke.  "Uhm, classic, I guess?"

It's like the Ms. vs. Miss thing.  Or calling an enlisted soldier, an NCO, "Sir" - that's inappropriate, yet to most calling someone "sir" is a sign of respect.

It's all "ha ha, funny, that bothers them" but to call them rude for it?  That's a bit much.

And calling them cows?  That's just being a jerk.

Modifié par MerinTB, 17 mars 2010 - 04:58 .

[Statulos]

Dark Lilith wrote...

Statulos wrote...

Coming from a country where industry is an anecdote compared to this one; it is shocking to get to the "rust belt" over here and even more, to the outskirts of Chicago.

Even here, almost in Kentucky, the light polution and radiation is so huge that night is never completely black; gettin a horizon line with a fancy pink/orange colour all night long.

its still better than northern Illinois.

I have been in Gary a couple times, so I assume it´s pretty much the same. Yes; it sucks.

I mean, if you´re in the Northern hemysphere and you cannot enjoy the star and the nightky in August something is terribly wrong. <_<

Buuut for those days I´ll be in my underdeveloped, poor and old fashion place; so it will not be a huge issue... till I have to come back here to teach...

Dark Lilith wrote...

Daewan wrote...

I was
being equal opportunity offensive with the cows thing. So, yeah. Moo.
I
hate being stuck in the Sears Tower; you think the outside air is bad?
Inside these old buildings, it's like allergy central. I think they
don't clean the ventilation shafts because they are storing bodies in
there.
Also, moo.
Plus, the real cows (moo) are somehow tastier
here than in other states. Why is that?

Jimmy Hoffa is in the
Sears Tower. And Illinois beef is ok as long as its raised without
growth hormones and pumped full of anti-biotics. Organic girl!
sorry.

Beef over here is quite good; especially the localy raised. But still, why did you named it? You just made me homesick from my little place back home were cows eat like centuries ago in massive grassfields close to mountains...

Modifié par Statulos, 17 mars 2010 - 04:59 .

[Daewan]

MerinTB wrote...
And calling them cows?  That's just being a jerk.

Yes, I was being a jerk.  There's no 'joke' symbol in the internet, I keep forgetting.  My bad.

Also, moo.

[Dark Lilith]

Daewan wrote...

MerinTB wrote...
And calling them cows?  That's just being a jerk.

Yes, I was being a jerk.  There's no 'joke' symbol in the internet, I keep forgetting.  My bad.

Also, moo.

I believe it's wisconsin girls anyways!

[Dark Lilith]

Statulos wrote...

Dark Lilith wrote...

Statulos wrote...

Coming from a country where industry is an anecdote compared to this one; it is shocking to get to the "rust belt" over here and even more, to the outskirts of Chicago.

Even here, almost in Kentucky, the light polution and radiation is so huge that night is never completely black; gettin a horizon line with a fancy pink/orange colour all night long.

its still better than northern Illinois.

I have been in Gary a couple times, so I assume it´s pretty much the same. Yes; it sucks.

I mean, if you´re in the Northern hemysphere and you cannot enjoy the star and the nightky in August something is terribly wrong. <_<

Buuut for those days I´ll be in my underdeveloped, poor and old fashion place; so it will not be a huge issue... till I have to come back here to teach...

Dark Lilith wrote...

Daewan wrote...

I was
being equal opportunity offensive with the cows thing. So, yeah. Moo.
I
hate being stuck in the Sears Tower; you think the outside air is bad?
Inside these old buildings, it's like allergy central. I think they
don't clean the ventilation shafts because they are storing bodies in
there.
Also, moo.
Plus, the real cows (moo) are somehow tastier
here than in other states. Why is that?

Jimmy Hoffa is in the
Sears Tower. And Illinois beef is ok as long as its raised without
growth hormones and pumped full of anti-biotics. Organic girl!
sorry.

Beef over here is quite good; especially the localy raised. But still, why did you named it? You just made me homesick from my little place back home were cows eat like centuries ago in massive grassfields close to mountains...

the stars are beautiful,but the air quality is just bad generally.

[Daewan]

Dark Lilith wrote...

Daewan wrote...

MerinTB wrote...
And calling them cows?  That's just being a jerk.

Yes, I was being a jerk.  There's no 'joke' symbol in the internet, I keep forgetting.  My bad.

Also, moo.

I believe it's wisconsin girls anyways!

.... That is entirely possible. 

[Jae Onasi]

MerinTB wrote...

Jae Onasi wrote...
This is not a news article, it's an op-ed essay pretending to be a news article.  I would recommend looking at the original meeting minutes instead of McKinley's very opinionated review of the meeting.  I'm sure it'll be far more enlightening.

Let's try another view on it then, shall we?

http://www.huffingto...u_n_498003.html

Huffington Post is is an extremely liberal organization--I take what they say with a pound of salt just like I take what Fox news says with a pound of salt.  The title alone 'Texas Textbook Massacre', tells me right off the bat that where they're going, and it's certainly not in the direction of 'objective reporting of the news'.  This is no better than what McKinley did.

I'm not saying everything the board did in Texas is correct--one of my undergrad majors was history, so I'm very concerned with it being portrayed accurately.  Our history has its warts just like everyone else's.  However, McKinley was so biased in his writing that it's patently obvious to me that he wasn't reporting the news, he was advancing his own agenda, and in an obnoxious and condescending manner on top of it. 

I despair at what journalism has become these days.  I hesitate to even call it journalism anymore--there is no objective reporting of just facts without opinion heavily biasing it anymore.  Twenty years ago I could get real news.  Now I get complete and utter crap from both sides of the political spectrum.  I have to weed my way through the garbage on both the liberal and conservative sides to get enough of the actual facts in order to make up my own opinion.  

[Sylvius the Mad]

November Cousland wrote...

Vaeliorin wrote...

*On a serious note, we're a bit more socially conservative in the Midwest.  Miss/Sir/Ma'am is generally the preferred form of address.

I grew up in Texas calling people sir and ma'am. I spent a summer in Illinois once and Ma'am was horribly offensive to most of the women I met there. I was unable to get out of the habit and so I pissed off a lot of nice ladies.

I find it so strange when I'm in the US and people call me sir.

"Good morning, sir."  Good morning, ma'am."

Why not just "good morning"?  Why do we need that address tacked on the end?