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[Avissel]

The Governator wrote...
Hubris is almost a good enough reason, but not for a spiecies that is millions of years more advanced than the next most advanced species in the Galaxy...but...we need a reason to succeed, so this one gets a pass.

Like I said earlier you have to remeber, they see us as ants, to them it is not just unlikely for us to beat them, it is completely impossible. Alot of people see the line "You have failed" at the end as directed at Shepard, I think it makes more sense to see it as Harbringer being so convinced that HE cannot be beaten, that the fault must lie in the mindless collecters.

The Governator wrote...
Archeologists were...anyone who explored the Galaxy would not have passed it up.  I will grant that no one was looking for that specifically, but when we can find Prothean artifacts and not a Reaper, I begin to question how this new spawn of species missed that huge chunk of evidence.

Remember, until the events of ME1, nobody was aware of the Reapers, so nobody would be looking for it. Also Prothean Ruins are on the surface of Planets, where the Reaper was sitting inside the upper atmosphere of a Brown Dwarf, even then people were prepairing to explore it. The description gives the impression that Cerberus operatives "convinced" the explorers to investigate something else, just as they "convinced" the Alliance to build the first Normandy.

The Governator wrote...
Still not buying that they could not have, at that range, found the body and loaded it before the Alliance arrived.

They would have needed to locate Shepard body in the middle of the wreckage, or locate it on planet, land thier ship, send out search teams, reload unto the ship, leave the planet, and be far enough into space in order FTL jump away. It's not far fetched to say more Alliance Ships could have arrived in that time frame.

The Governator wrote...
But no response militarily for all the abductions and no surveillance of any kind to prove they were not slave raiders?  I find it dubious at best.  Furthermore, why no response after Kaiden/Ashley witnessed what was going on?

The abductions happened in the Terminus systems, which is outside both Council Space and the Alliance Jurisdiction, which is why it doesnt prompt an immediate military reprisal, the backlash from sending the Alliance Fleet into the Terminus systems would be an all out war. Ifi t's not your Field, you cant play ball.
As for Survilance, Jacobs stats that the Collecters may have a weapon to disables the Colony, and the Colony on Horizon had it's commincations blocked before the attack, it can be assumed that the security is disabled. in the case of Freedom progress the footage was recored by Veetors Omnitool, not downloaded from the Colonys security system.

The Governator wrote...
Well, I think better writing would have alleviated this problem.  Though, this is somehwat excused by explaining Cerberus as being a black operations branch of the Alliance, originally.  Also, since the Council is obstinate and the Alliance seems the weakest of the military powers of Citadel space, it makes sense that they are not in a position to help.

The Council Doesnt want to believe that the Reapers are still a threat. It's like Shepard said in ME1, and Jacob in ME2, They dont want to see the problem, they dont want people to know how fragile the system really is.

The Governator wrote...
If I had unlimited resources, yeah, I probably would.  I guess this could partially be explained by 'logic' and not being obsessed with security.  However, my view is that if it is possible, it will happen eventually and they should have guarded against it better.

Well thats just it, to the Reapers it's NOT possible. If nobody has beaten them for millina, why would this time be any different? If it werent for the actions of the Prothean Survivers, the ME univearse would be Reaper chow.

The Governator wrote...
Well, I did not mean for Legion to be brought to the Citadel activated but dormant.  Also, Anderson/Udina is on the Council.  I would have thought he would be able to persuade or convince the Council to be more respectful of the evidence that Sovereign left behind and now the Geth that could show that there is no way they could have fashioned that ship.

Anderson Believes you, but thats 1 against 3. Udina is just like the rest, he wants to keep the status queu and doesnt believe you ethier. It's not 100% "They are stupid and dont see" it's also partly that they dont WANT to see the evidence. People ( I use the term loosly here) Will Believe what they want to believe, reality be damned.


It's common occurance for people to make judgments of the Councils actions based on what Shepard and the Player know to be true, but not what the Council actually knows.

[Tooneyman]

Dont' get me wrong its a great game. It just didn't have the full RPG feel to it. Plus I think not being able to take off your helmet in it pizzed people off. hehe.

[Terraneaux]

The sales figures definitely show that EA's marketing team is worth every penny, but I found the qualities of the game itself to be lacking. I did actually enjoy the gameplay changes and the simplified inventory, but the story was terrible and they rebooted the series and got rid of a lot of the characters from the first game for no good reason I can see. The main character was also flat as cardboard. Of course, there's a lot of people who (consciously or no) can't bring themselves to see anything wrong with the game, because I guess if they do they're stupid for having spent money on it and not liking it. They don't really help the discussion. There has been some pretty valid constructive criticism of the game on this site, but it's almost always drowned out by people posting 'Y U HAET BIOWARE?!' like it's some sort of sin to criticize the game.

[Terraneaux]

Avissel wrote...
It's common occurance for people to make judgments of the Councils actions based on what Shepard and the Player know to be true, but not what the Council actually knows.

The council and Udina agree that the Reapers need to be stopped at the end of ME1.  Their opinion in ME2 is a retcon.  

[epoch_]

I have seen very "hate" threads. Less than any other game I've kept tracked of.

[InvaderErl]

Terraneaux wrote...

Avissel wrote...
It's common occurance for people to make judgments of the Councils actions based on what Shepard and the Player know to be true, but not what the Council actually knows.

The council and Udina agree that the Reapers need to be stopped at the end of ME1.  Their opinion in ME2 is a retcon.  

For the Council it's been 2 years and the great Reaper invasion Shepard promised never happened. There hasn't been a squeak as far as they are concerned/

And when you consider in 1 that they were portrayed as:



And Udina is primarily concerned with his own political career, its not really that out of character.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 15 mars 2010 - 08:27 .

[masseffectfan00]

they had amazing story and horrible gameplay in ME1 but horrible story and amazing game play for ME2 in me3 they're gonna include amazing story and game play and make me3 the best game ever created

[Terraneaux]

InvaderErl wrote...



For the Council it's been 2 years and the great Reaper invasion Shepard promised never happened. There hasn't been a squeak as far as they are concerned/

And when you consider in 1 that they were portrayed as:

And Udina is primarily concerned with his own political career, its not really that out of character.

You can say that the council was being stupid in ME1, but it was very clear at the end of the game that they had come around to your side.  They don't say '2 years went by and nothing happened, so we don't think they're coming.'  They say they have 'dismissed that claim.'  You'd think Udina, apparently so self-interested, would care a lot about not having all sentient life wiped out so he can *have* a political career.  Incidentally, 2 years is nothing to a race that lives for millions of years, the council should understand that.  Hell, 2 years is nothing to an ASARI.  Mac Walters changed their opinion on the issue so that Shep could work with Cerberus, but he did it in a way that forced a retcon.  It was very clumsy, another aspect of why the story of ME2 is a huge weakness.

[epoch_]

Darht Jayder wrote...

epoch_ wrote...

I have seen very "hate" threads. Less than any other game I've kept tracked of.

Hate threads is perhaps a little strong.  there has been a lot of negativity in the last few days but also a lot less forum activity in general.  I assume most fans are playing the game.

Welcome to the internet.

[KotOREffecT]

scyphozoa wrote...

Did ME2 fail? No. Does ME2 have flaws and room to improve? Of course.

I have a laundry list of criticisms and a laundry list of praises for the ME2 team. I love the game and like any fan who got his hopes up for 2 years, found myself disappointed or wanting more in certain areas. But its not as if the entire body of work has failed. So much of the content is so beautifully delivered and the overall experience is still epic.

ie. the intro cinematic is still epic to watch even though I've seen it dozens of times, and I still always feel emotional engagement when I'm Joker hobbling down the Normandy's cooridoors.

Finally, as the second chapter of a space opera trilogy, has ME2 failed? No, ME2 delivered in my eyes.

the two features I would more recommend bringing back are 1)squadmember armor customization and 2) planet surface exploration.

I completely agree with all of this. And yes, bring back Mako exploration!

[InvaderErl]

Terraneaux wrote...
You can say that the council was being stupid in ME1, but it was very clear at the end of the game that they had come around to your side.  They don't say '2 years went by and nothing happened, so we don't think they're coming.'  They say they have 'dismissed that claim.'  You'd think Udina, apparently so self-interested, would care a lot about not having all sentient life wiped out so he can *have* a political career.  Incidentally, 2 years is nothing to a race that lives for millions of years, the council should understand that.  Hell, 2 years is nothing to an ASARI.  Mac Walters changed their opinion on the issue so that Shep could work with Cerberus, but he did it in a way that forced a retcon.  It was very clumsy, another aspect of why the story of ME2 is a huge weakness.

I will repeat that considering the Reaper threat hasn't materialized in the slightest, they weren't able to recover most of it, the remaining Geth are largely routed and Shepard was no longer around to harass them about it - and that its clear even with Anderson as Council that Udina has had their ear all this time, and yes I consider him slimy enough to downplay the Reaper threat if it would gain him favor over Anderson  (He almost got all life destroyed the first time around!), I don' think its surprising that they've reverted back to their business as usual behavior.

Anderson for his part attributes their behavior to self-denial.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 15 mars 2010 - 08:49 .

[Elliotron]

I think it's important to dilineate between "things that are detrimental" to game play in ME2 and "things that I miss from ME1."



I miss the inventory system and femshep's hot (if overly exaggerated in the spinal curvature department) bod.



The AI is (still) detremental to game play.

[JeanLuc761]

Elliotron wrote...
The AI is (still) detremental to game play.

True, though I did notice it's much improved from ME1.  My teammates no longer stand in my way all the damn time and can use their powers responsibly.  Oh, and in an example of pure mind = blown...they actually push forward without me telling them to

Lots of room for improvement though.

[Terraneaux]

InvaderErl wrote...

I will repeat that considering the Reaper threat hasn't materialized in the slightest, they weren't able to recover most of it, the remaining Geth are largely routed and Shepard was no longer around to harass them about it - and that its clear even with Anderson as Council that Udina has had their ear all this time, and yes I consider him slimy enough to downplay the Reaper threat if it would gain him favor over Anderson  (He almost got all life destroyed the first time around!), I don' think its surprising that they've reverted back to their business as usual behavior.

Anderson for his part attributes their behavior to self-denial.

I think it's absolutely retarded that the Council would behave that way, as politicians.  Look at 9/11: terrible tragedy, terrorist attack on American soil, thousands dead.  2 years later, is the leadership sticking their heads in the sand about it?  No, they're milking it for all it's worth to sway public opinion to their side.  What the Council did was just stupid, there' no ifs, ands, or buts about it, and I find it extremely unlikely that aliens so competent as to rise to the absolute pinnacle of their races' political hierarchy would be that stupid.  EVEN IF the Council believed it was a Geth ship, they should be crapping their pants that the Geth are capable of building single ships powerful enough to take on entire fleets of their ships, and doing their best to figure out what the hell is going on.  

[Valmy]

Mass Effect 2 was great.

There have been a few anti-ME2 people around since the beginning.  But then lots of people hated ME1 for various reasons.  I loved them both for many reasons I wont go into here.

[TheLastAwakening]

No, ME 2 hasn't failed but certainly could be improved upon in ME 3. I mean, I don't mind playing GOW with dialogue choices.

[Avissel]

Terraneaux wrote...
 EVEN IF the Council believed it was a Geth ship, they should be crapping their pants that the Geth are capable of building single ships powerful enough to take on entire fleets of their ships, and doing their best to figure out what the hell is going on.  

You mean like sending the Citadels current Big Hero out to fight the Geth Forces while massing ships outside the Persus Veil? Cause both those things happened.

[InvaderErl]

Terraneaux wrote...



I think it's absolutely retarded that the Council would behave that way, as politicians.  Look at 9/11: terrible tragedy, terrorist attack on American soil, thousands dead.  2 years later, is the leadership sticking their heads in the sand about it?  No, they're milking it for all it's worth to sway public opinion to their side.  What the Council did was just stupid, there' no ifs, ands, or buts about it, and I find it extremely unlikely that aliens so competent as to rise to the absolute pinnacle of their races' political hierarchy would be that stupid.  EVEN IF the Council believed it was a Geth ship, they should be crapping their pants that the Geth are capable of building single ships powerful enough to take on entire fleets of their ships, and doing their best to figure out what the hell is going on.  

I think that its pretty clear that there is stuff that is going on that Shepard doesn't see. The Turians have already reverse engineered some of Sovereign's technology, and it was pretty clear that Ashley/Kaiden has been doing some kind of special ops work for Anderson. Did Mordin already know about the Reapers or was it explained to him? In any case I wouldn't be surprised if the Salarians are looking into the matter.

[primero holodon]

well, all in all I found it very dissapointing but still an exellent game... just not what I was looking for.

[Terraneaux]

Avissel wrote...

You mean like sending the Citadels current Big Hero out to fight the Geth Forces while massing ships outside the Persus Veil? Cause both those things happened.

Except that they apparently stopped once Shepard died.  Dialog choices in ME2 imply that they wanted Shep out of their hair so they sent him out there to deal with geth.  

[Alamar2078]

I don't think the game [ME2] has failed. By itself it is a very nice game. I think it's only when you look at it as part of a trilogy that there are some things to whine about.

[Mallissin]

I think the increase in hate threads are from people who pirated the game but their opinions are worthless, since they have made no investment and are horrible human beings.

As someone who bought the CE edition, my opinion carries three times as much weight as someone who bought the normal and 1.5 times a Deluxe owner.

So, when I say I think the game was wonderful, people should take notice.

[/Colbert]

Modifié par Mallissin, 15 mars 2010 - 10:17 .

[BlackMetal]

Sex Scenes Failed Compared To Mass Effect 1.

Virtually everything else was an outstading improvement.