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[pivopivobeer]

duncan himself is dead, but a darkspawn is occupying his body. duncan can't die, because then the maker can make beards for elves... gross

[Booglarize]

kingthrall wrote...

He is going to end up in Mass Effect II in a cryo tank. Duncan probally will think that the Reapers and the bad aliens are darkspawn in space.

Hah, why not? We already had Morrigan and Loghain in ME2, so might as well give Duncan a go.

[TheRealIncarnal]

RIP Duncan. I never really thought that he was alive until RtO when suddenly his body was mysteriously absent. Looks like it was just an odd oversight then, definitely a missed opportunity, but in reality it just means that nothing changes from the last time we actually 'Saw" Duncan. He died like a good Grey Warden. 

Modifié par TheRealIncarnal, 16 mars 2010 - 03:48 .

[_- Songlian -]

bluebullets wrote...

http://social.biowar...ndex/1690759/31

"Remember, remember, the Fifth of November, the Gunpowder Treason and Plot..."

[melkathi]

Yay!



Finally all the silly Duncan threads can be put to rest.

[GameBoyish]

goodbye Dunc, and your epic beard T_T

[Kulyok]

Whatever David Gaider says on the forum is not canon. He is a great writer and a Bioware developer, but you can't expect every Dragon Age player to come to the forums and read *that* post, right?



Even books are only "sort of" canon, because - how many people played the game, but never read the books? Many, I'd say. So, unless we see Duncan body, there's no "set in stone" answer. Personally, I believed he is dead until RtO came out. Then I started thinking: "Aha! But his body isn't there! There must be a story to it!". Ah well. Maybe EA/Bioware will use Duncan's body in yet another expansion, hmm?

[Feraele]

Alas..poor Duncans..I knew him well

[T1l]

Wasn't the speculation that Duncan was still alive all in jest? Were people seriously contemplating that Duncan may still be alive? I find it a little sad David Gaider felt the need to clarify this point, to be honest. I understand the love for the character but did this really come as a shock, or have I been trolled?

Kulyok wrote...

Whatever David Gaider says on the forum isnot canon. He is a great writer and a Bioware developer, but you can't expect every Dragon Age player to come to the forums and read *that* post, right?

Even books are only "sort of" canon, because - how many people played the game, but never read the books? Many, I'd say. So, unless we see Duncan body, there's no "set in stone" answer. Personally, I believed he is dead until RtO came out. Then I started thinking: "Aha! But his body isn't there! There must be a story to it!".Ah well. Maybe EA/Bioware will use Duncan's body in yet another expansion, hmm?

That's like saying that Maric died at sea isn't canon, or that the Fourth Blight isn't canon. You literally have words in black and white from the lead writer of the IP stating the facts, and you shrug it off as if it's just speculation. Believe what you will. The information is right there but I guess at the end of the day it is entirely up to you if you wish to accept it or not. It's not like David knows what he's talking about, right? I mean, what would he know?

Modifié par T1l, 16 mars 2010 - 10:10 .

[melkathi]

T1l wrote...

Wasn't the speculation that Duncan was still alive all in jest? Were people seriously contemplating that Duncan may still be alive? I find it a little sad David Gaider felt the need to clarify this point, to be honest. I understand the love for the character but did this really come as a shock, or have I been trolled?

Awesome forum avatar.


Now to your post.
Have you read the response two posts above yours? That's the attitude of quite  few people here.

Personally I now demand proof that my dwarven commoner is really a dwarf and not a moglin. Just because the game says he's a dwarf and he thinks he's a dwarf, is not proof he is a dwarf, right?

Modifié par melkathi, 16 mars 2010 - 10:07 .

[T1l]

melkathi wrote...

Awesome forum avatar.

Thanks  Brian Blessed is a hero of mine. His laugh makes me laugh.

[Kwanzaabot]

With the amount of Dune homages in this game/franchise, expect to see a Duncan ghola (ie. clone) at some point. *coughDuncanIdahocough*

Modifié par Kwanzaabot, 16 mars 2010 - 10:41 .

[Kulyok]

You know what immersion is, right? What happens in the game is real. What happens outside of the game(books, forum posts, card games, game designer interviews) isn't canon - it isn't real, and it has no impact whatsoever on the world of Dragon Age.

[Ignus Burns]

Thank god! This will decrease the amount of stupid speculation in the forum.

[Kwanzaabot]

Kulyok wrote...

You know what immersion is, right? What happens in the game is real. What happens outside of the game(books, forum posts, card games, game designer interviews) isn't canon - it isn't real, and it has no impact whatsoever on the world of Dragon Age.

Except when it's written by the guy who pretty much created the franchise, and the books are advertised as prequels with the whole "find out what happens before the Blight and blah blah blah" and are designed to flesh out the setting with things that just aren't feasable in a game.

[Behindyounow]

I dont get it. Why didn't they show Duncan's body in RTO then?



Also, Dev's aren't above lying. Look at ME2. We where told we'd get to recruit an unstable biotic. Then when Jack's trailer was released Devs said that she wasn't the unstable biotic. Which turned out to be BS.

[Ignus Burns]

Ignus Burns wrote...

Thank god! This will decrease the amount of stupid speculation in the forum.

Who am I kidding!
Let the stupid speculation continue.

[Feraele]

Ignus Burns wrote...

Ignus Burns wrote...

Thank god! This will decrease the amount of stupid speculation in the forum.

Who am I kidding!
Let the stupid speculation continue.

Stupid speculation is FUN ....hehehe

[Onyx Jaguar]

Behindyounow wrote...

I dont get it. Why didn't they show Duncan's body in RTO then?

Also, Dev's aren't above lying. Look at ME2. We where told we'd get to recruit an unstable biotic. Then when Jack's trailer was released Devs said that she wasn't the unstable biotic. Which turned out to be BS.

Looks like some foul beasts dined well that night

[melkathi]

Kulyok wrote...

You know what immersion is, right? What happens in the game is real. What happens outside of the game(books, forum posts, card games, game designer interviews) isn't canon - it isn't real, and it has no impact whatsoever on the world of Dragon Age.

The orlesians never occupied Ferelden?
Loghain's mother was not raped and murdered by orlesians?
It happened outside the game.

There always is more backstory than will be shown in a game. It's used to create the immersion. A world can only be immersive by having it so rich, that there is more than we see. Thinks have to happen that you are not aware of, otherwise the world would be twodimensional.

Just because you limit yourself to one medium, does not mean the writers have to.

And you seem to missunderstand what "the world of Dragon Age" is.
It is the history of Thedas, of which Dragon Age: Origins presents a small part. The world of Dragon Age is far greater than one computer game. It's the reason why the game is so good.
You can enjoy Dragon Age: Origins by itself without bothering with anything else, but that does not change the fact that events outside of the game have lead to the events in the game.

And there is no need for a canon discussion anyway. The game states that Duncan died. A decission on Canon would have only had to be made if there was a future product which suggests otherwise.

[Kulyok]

Except when it's written by the guy who pretty much created the franchise, and the books are advertised as prequels with the whole "find out what happens before the Blight and blah blah blah" and are designed to flesh out the setting with things that just aren't feasable in a game.

He still doesn't own the world. It's still other writers's as well as his. And, more importantly, too many people will play the game but never read his forum posts or books.



I would agree with you to a point if we were talking about Babylon-5 and its creator, JMS, but even then it's not quite right because of the sheer amount of people who watched the series but never got to read the books. Same with Harry Potter. Millions of people read the books, only a small part of them read JKR interviews. So, if I only read the books but not the interviews, I'd never find out that Malfoy's wife wasn't Pansy Parkinson, for example.

[TeamRyan]

T1l wrote...

Wasn't the speculation that Duncan was still alive all in jest? Were people seriously contemplating that Duncan may still be alive? I find it a little sad David Gaider felt the need to clarify this point, to be honest. I understand the love for the character but did this really come as a shock, or have I been trolled?

Kulyok wrote...

Whatever David Gaider says on the forum isnot canon. He is a great writer and a Bioware developer, but you can't expect every Dragon Age player to come to the forums and read *that* post, right?

Even books are only "sort of" canon, because - how many people played the game, but never read the books? Many, I'd say. So, unless we see Duncan body, there's no "set in stone" answer. Personally, I believed he is dead until RtO came out. Then I started thinking: "Aha! But his body isn't there! There must be a story to it!".Ah well. Maybe EA/Bioware will use Duncan's body in yet another expansion, hmm?

That's like saying that Maric died at sea isn't canon, or that the Fourth Blight isn't canon. You literally have words in black and white from the lead writer of the IP stating the facts, and you shrug it off as if it's just speculation. Believe what you will. The information is right there but I guess at the end of the day it is entirely up to you if you wish to accept it or not. It's not like David knows what he's talking about, right? I mean, what would he know?

The thing for me is that both deaths were inconclusive they didn't really finalize anything, and the logic i think most people are going by is that duncan isn't dead until they see him dead, or at least he isn't dead until they are shown his dead body hanging from a ogre's mouth. And with maric I think people know he's dead they just want a better explanation of how he came to his death.

I don't really see this as the fan base being idiots for not accepting the deaths but more of a compliment to the creators for creating characters that many fans are interested in and attached to. It's not like they are refuting laws of the universe, they just want to believe that certain characters had a more significant death than was shown or explained by the story so far.

That or everyone grew up reading Marvel comics, and knows as a rule of thumb no one dies... ever. Really it was probably just a clone.

[Kwanzaabot]

Kulyok wrote...
He still doesn't own the world. It's still other writers's as well as his. And, more importantly, too many people will play the game but never read his forum posts or books.

I would agree with you to a point if we were talking about Babylon-5 and its creator, JMS, but even then it's not quite right because of the sheer amount of people who watched the series but never got to read the books. Same with Harry Potter. Millions of people read the books, only a small part of them read JKR interviews. So, if I only read the books but not the interviews, I'd never find out that Malfoy's wife wasn't Pansy Parkinson, for example.

I'll admit he doesn't own the world. He's a co-owner of the world. We can't forget Dragon Age was (and is) a group effort.
That said, it's not like the novels are fanfiction. They're actual offical prequels to the game, written by the game's head writer.

And let's face it. Sometimes there's things that just wouldn't fit in a game or novel (for example, it'd be pretty silly to state in the next book's epilogue, "Oh, by the way. Duncan's dead and never coming back, the end"), and thankfully the developers really interact with the fans here, so they have an outlet to say things they can't really put in elsewhere.

I didn't even know Harry had a wife, let alone Draco. That epilogue was so godawful I erased all memory of it from my mind.

TeamRyan wrote...
That or everyone grew up reading Marvel comics, and knows as a rule of thumb
no one dies... ever. Really it was probably just a clone.

 See my Duncan Idaho thing a few posts up.
I mean, the original Duncan is dead and gone, but $20 says we'll be seeing a clone of some kind somewhere down the line.

Modifié par Kwanzaabot, 16 mars 2010 - 10:57 .

[_- Songlian -]

melkathi wrote...
The game states that Duncan died.

I'm sorry, but the way I see it, the game states nothing like that.

The game states that Cailan died, whereas in Duncan's case it only implies it. In the king's case you see an ogre crushing his body and later on you get to return to Ostagar and see his actual corpse. That's as dead as they come in my books.

Now what happens to Duncan? You see the screen flash white just before a couple of darkspawn are heading his way; you see none hitting him, nor his actual death. When you return to the battlefield, you see no corpse of his. Just because Flemeth and Morrigan declare that everyone on the battlegrounds were wiped out, that doesn't make it law. The two witches are not exactly the model of honesty. And then they even say that some humans were being dragged underground alive. Ta da.

Under these conditions, do you honestly find it so hard to believe that a player who adored Duncan -- like me and many others -- was being completely  unrealistic by keeping the hope of him being alive? I don't. Do I doubt Mr. Gaider's post? Of course not, in Gaider we trust. But in my opinion there was valid room for interpretation, and just because a certain point of view was eventually confirmed, that does nothing to annul it.

Modifié par - Songlian -, 16 mars 2010 - 11:09 .