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[MColes]

Why? You exactly -shouldn't- be able to alter it. I tried at first, I had her approval up at 30 through gifts I had carried over, I tried raising her will power and her constitution, nothing worked. And it hit me exactly as that. People don't survive the joining, the player needs to understand that, not get pissy Mhairi dies. She and every other person willing to become a Grey Warden is literally dooming themself to a death sentance. Whether immediately or just a bit further down the road, when The Calling hits. I'm actually glad from an observers standpoint they did it, and I wish they made everyone possibly die from the Joining. I only wish the player could be the one to actually perform the ceremony like Duncan did, to understand you're possibly killing these people for the greater good.

[LiptonBrisk]

Case wrote...

Anyone want to take the time to see what happens if you don't conscript anders or let oghdren partake of the joining?

Yes

Maybe she lives.

No

[vocalemuse]

Oh great, so this means I /have/ to use Imhotep... I mean Justice, for my tank now. Ugh. I'm annoyed.

Modifié par vocalemuse, 16 mars 2010 - 06:53 .

[MColes]

Make Oggy tank, and screw the shield!

[vocalemuse]

Yeah, but that's beside the point honestly.

Whether it 'makes sense' or not I was really looking forward to having a female tank without playing that role myself. Tanks being male gets old, damn it! There are two mages too, BW should have killed off one of them and not Mhairi. >/

Modifié par vocalemuse, 16 mars 2010 - 06:55 .

[Noir201]

MColes wrote...

Why? You exactly -shouldn't- be able to alter it. I tried at first, I had her approval up at 30 through gifts I had carried over, I tried raising her will power and her constitution, nothing worked. And it hit me exactly as that. People don't survive the joining, the player needs to understand that, not get pissy Mhairi dies. She and every other person willing to become a Grey Warden is literally dooming themself to a death sentance. Whether immediately or just a bit further down the road, when The Calling hits. I'm actually glad from an observers standpoint they did it, and I wish they made everyone possibly die from the Joining. I only wish the player could be the one to actually perform the ceremony like Duncan did, to understand you're possibly killing these people for the greater good.

Don't think you see the point, you don't hype up a new party member for a month, to then find out that its nothing but a repeat of jory/davath, its cheap, and takes player freedom, in all bioware games, you have the choice who lives and who dies, thats what sets bioware rpg apart from the yes crowd.

If she was like jory/davath, then shouldn't she not lvl, not get approvel, or not be able to give gifts, it a very cheap shock tactic and deja va of what happens in origins, doesn't make for a good story.

[Noir201]

sorry double post

Modifié par Noir201, 16 mars 2010 - 06:59 .

[MColes]

How exactly does an NPC's death, have anything to do with player freedom? That's like saying we should've been able to save our parent's in the HN origin, or stopped that douchebag from taking the women in the City elf origin. It's a story bioware wants to tell, and in it Mhairi does not survive the joining. It's a pointless death, and quite likely on purpose. Now you're not going to be quite so sure if you want to put the rest of your memebers through it or not, are ya?

edit: vocalemuse, theres 3 warriors though, not including a possible player =(

Modifié par MColes, 16 mars 2010 - 07:00 .

[yasuraka.hakkyou]

MColes wrote...

Why? You exactly -shouldn't- be able to alter it. I tried at first, I had her approval up at 30 through gifts I had carried over, I tried raising her will power and her constitution, nothing worked. And it hit me exactly as that. People don't survive the joining, the player needs to understand that, not get pissy Mhairi dies. She and every other person willing to become a Grey Warden is literally dooming themself to a death sentance. Whether immediately or just a bit further down the road, when The Calling hits. I'm actually glad from an observers standpoint they did it, and I wish they made everyone possibly die from the Joining. I only wish the player could be the one to actually perform the ceremony like Duncan did, to understand you're possibly killing these people for the greater good.

I think part of why people are getting pissy is because they gave her a full video, only to kill her off half an hour in, apparently. that, and she's the only female warrior. I wasn't on top of the Origins trailers or anything, did Daveth / Jory get videos?

I can understand that not everyone survives the Joining (duh), but as I said, people are mostly pissed because they hyped her up as a near full expansion kinda companion, not a girl Jory. EDIT: Noir more or less beat me to it.

You don't perform the Joining, either? gah, maybe I will regret buying this.

Modifié par yasuraka.hakkyou, 16 mars 2010 - 07:01 .

[RobbertDewulf]

DAMN THE MAKER!





:'(

[MColes]

yasuraka.hakkyou wrote...
You don't perform the Joining, either? gah, maybe I will regret buying this.

the cost of a Silent protagonist =( It would be a pretty ****ty ceremony if you didn't get to hear a badass voice entoning the Grey Warden motto.

[yasuraka.hakkyou]

I suppose, but I would have been fine with just saying it all through text. or just have a prerecorded voice for the scene for the different voice options, etc. but I understand that would have been a sh-tton more work.

Modifié par yasuraka.hakkyou, 16 mars 2010 - 07:04 .

[KendallX23]

bah..this is stupid//Mihairi was the only one i liked from all the companions..the others can bite the dust for all i care..don't like Oghren much either...we finally get a human warrior(female) and bam she dies...guess bioware still likes the mages more...and i hate mages..

[Massadonious1]

BioWare is such a tease. Legion gets mega-hyped, then gets bupkus for screen time. And now this.

[Noir201]

Name one bioware rpg that killed off a hype party member so quickly if you think this is just a "NPC" a NPC was jory, davath, tower guard.

Don't remember them getting devs talking about them, or video, and char profiles of them for month in da:o or any bioware game to date, in jade empire 1 of your party members dies but halfway during the game, saving your life.

If it was random who dies in a joning, it would make sence, from a replay point of view, killing the same member takes a great deal away from the story.

[Phantom_1]

Yeh Mhairi dies in my my playthrought also, and she was char i liked most and sux that she dies in way that you cant do anything to prevent it , i reloaded my game few times with different choices nothing helped so i figured it was linear plot from designers.

They wanted us to feel how is rly to be in charge of ritual joining , pretty much how Duncan feelt .
And most logical option is that any gray warden leader would pick any comptentent and skilled person for joining since they have lack of ppl and she volunteered

And now i got party full of males, looks pretty gay if you ask me and desperatly awaiting on part to comme accros Velana to recruit her.

At least Anora appearing in my game was nice since i dont like Alistair.

Modifié par Phantom_1, 16 mars 2010 - 07:29 .

[KendallX23]

did Mihairi met that guy who seemed to know her in the beginning ?from the trailer ?

[yasuraka.hakkyou]

you mean Roland?

[MColes]

Oh, I agree that the other memebers should be able to die too... and I totally think the player should have absolutely no control over it, beyond letting them do the Joining at all.



But I also, think Bioware should keep trying new things.

[Phantom_1]

KendallX23 wrote...

did Mihairi met that guy who seemed to know her in the beginning ?from the trailer ?

Yeh she meets him.  he dies to and she say she will aveng him.

[KendallX23]

yasuraka.hakkyou wrote...

you mean Roland?

dunno what his name is..don't have the game..but i like spoilers....was a guy from her trailer if that is roland then yes..and it sucks then...

Modifié par KendallX23, 16 mars 2010 - 07:15 .

[Noir201]

Its annoying and very frustrating, that at last a female gets a roll which is normaly a male roll as a warrior tank in a rpg, to then kill her off so soon, if bioware wants to use that sort of cliched view of woman, which normaly they don't, then its like going back to the 1980/90s of game storys.

[Phantom_1]

Noir201 wrote...

Its annoying and very frustrating, that at last a female gets a roll which is normaly a male roll as a warrior tank in a rpg, to then kill her off so soon, if bioware wants to use that sort of cliched view of woman, which normaly they don't, then its like going back to the 1980/90s of game storys.

Wtb my Morrigan back and her awesomenes .

Modifié par Phantom_1, 16 mars 2010 - 07:20 .

[yasuraka.hakkyou]

Noir201 wrote...

Its annoying and very frustrating, that at last a female gets a roll which is normaly a male roll as a warrior tank in a rpg, to then kill her off so soon, if bioware wants to use that sort of cliched view of woman, which normaly they don't, then its like going back to the 1980/90s of game storys.

I know. G-d forbid we depict (physically) strong women in a role usually taken by men. Morrigan is strong-willed, but she's still a squishy mage. Leliana is in the same squishy boat, and she's more mentally strong methinks. and, well, wynne is your healer, you don't exactly put clerics 5 feet from the boss if you can avoid it.

gah.

Modifié par yasuraka.hakkyou, 16 mars 2010 - 07:22 .

[Hyper Cutter]

If this was based on some unseen variable (like the "hold the line" segment in ME2), that'd be one thing, but doing it deliberately is just a dick move...