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[Behindyounow]

Huh. I like the fact she dies. It illustrates how dark the world is.

I liked Mhairi. Her death has impact. If Velanna died, I'd just go "about time b***h".

Modifié par Behindyounow, 16 mars 2010 - 10:23 .

[Morroian]

5Warlocks wrote...

That is a lot of outrage over a minute-long trailer.

Maybe but as the only human female warrior NPC I think people were looking forward to her. I know I was looking forward to playing much of the game with her in my party. It wouldn't be so bad if it was a role of the dice as to which character died but it appears its not.

[BanditGR]

Behindyounow wrote...

 It illustrates how dark the world is.

If they wanted to illustrate how dark the world is, they would have (at the very least) "invented" a more meaningful death. As it stands, the character has almost zero depth, close to zero interaction and doesn't stick around long enough for you to develop any real "feelings". As a result, her death is pointless and a poor attempt to illustrate anything. In conclusion, it was foolish to provide people with the impression/illusion that she is going to be a meaningful companion. Sure, we can argue semantics all day and say that they never actually confirmed or denied it, but the video was unnecessary, for any other purpose than creating false expectations.

[Super_Cat]

I understand the sick pleasure writers get from making people care about a character only to kill them off. And that is their right as the writer and the character's creator. I don't think anyone can tell them otherwise.



This is just annoying because she is the only female Warrior, and also one only 3 female companions. The fact is she was a strong female warrior who didn't have the strength to make it through the joining while all the males can. It's unfortunate implications that can't be ignored.



I also think giving her her own trailer, gaining approval with her, and letting her gain levels all to make it seem like she is a permanent companion was a really cheap trick.

[Sabriana]

Indeed. Although I won't buy the game yet (and it remains to be seen if I ever will), the concept of a female warrior was exiting. I remember thinking "Bravo. It's about time for a strong female warrior, I've just about had it with the endless stream of mages and rogues (female)"

Ah well. Shot to heck and all back again. I'm curious to see if the token female warrior truly is the token dead warden. So far the reviews are few and far between, to few to really make sure that BW has taken a gigantic step backward, while they made it seem like a great step forward.

[Uzzy]

The list of reasons not to buy the expansion seems to keep increasing. Sigh. Getting to stomp a Howe's face isn't enough anymore!

[KnightofPhoenix]

The game sounds much better than I expected. I actually thought there was a way to make everyone survive. I am glad some people have to die. That's part of being a Grey warden Commander. We are supposed to feel like Duncan when he saw recruits, good ones, die.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 16 mars 2010 - 11:43 .

[ImNotTrent]

eh, i disliked her from the get go, so was far from game breaking for me.

[Leon Elsa]

Great, one of the few of the companions I was looking forward to having. Just freakin' great.

[wikkedjoker]

What is you send off the Mage?



has anyone done this, than tried doing the joining? Maybe its a thing of you have to pick one or the other.

[BanditGR]

wikkedjoker wrote...

 Maybe its a thing of you have to pick one or the other.

Nope, she dies regardless of any choices.

[hazzard4]

Damn, I intend to use her as my main tank and she just die during the joining. Guess I gotta get stuck with that annoying Oghren for the time being.

[Schwinni]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

Ser Cauthrien was shown in pictures and well liked in the forums before release of DA:O, and I was disappointed at how little her role truly was. Mhairi getting killed is also a bummer. Well, I guess someone could always mod in a Genevieve clone or something.
Not gamebreaking in the least for me, but she seemed quite likable, so it's just sad. At least I know Ser Cauthrien is still alive in all my playthroughs, couldn't let myself kill her, Summersword be damned! Could always use toolkit or console if I really wanted it...

You didn't had to worry about Ser Cuthrien. She's immortal.

[Behindyounow]

Tell that to her severed head. Serves her right. Nobody calls me a churl and gets away with it.

Modifié par Behindyounow, 16 mars 2010 - 01:44 .

[Schwinni]

Ser Cauthrien MUST be immortal - or how can it happen that you decapitate her twice and she still shows up at the funeral?

[Case]

I think it's pretty cool bioware went through all the trouble to make you think she's a real character then kill her off. It is unfortunate that it had to be the only female warrior though. The only thing that took away from the impact for me was I thought I was going to have to start over to get her back because I thought I messed up. But that's not biowares fault.

[Nimander]

I can understand being upset because you liked the character and wanted to play her, from the trailers. I'll feel the same way if Justice goes down. But sexist? It's the same situation as the first game with Daveth and Jory. It's not like they were targeting women and putting them in fridges. Unless of course any death of a woman = women in fridges, and sorry, it's not.

[Sabriana]

Sexism? Where did you get that from? I am disappointed that the only female warrior kicks the bucket. Pick a good mage or a good rogue (male or female), and the GW-commander will feel just as bad. There is a distinct lack of strong female warriors in games, while there is an over-abundance in femMages and femRogues.

Hmm, well, ont he other hand, you could be right. There's overt sexism, and there's covert sexism. Like doing something the same old - same old way, just because that's the way it's always been done. Without malice, but still following the good-old-boy path. Good thinking, Nimander

[Behindyounow]

Yeah... women in fridges... lol wut?



What about all the male party members who get killed off? I dont remember anyone going up in arms about that (except maybe Daveth's legion of fangirls).



IMO, it just looks like the Femmi****s are looking for an excuse to brand Bioware as sexist.

[Thor Rand Al]

Leon Elsa wrote...

So far, it seems Mhairi is forced to go into the joining and die, yes. Not sure about Velenna.

She's not forced, she's waited her whole life for this opportunity but unfortunately thats just not the case .

Modifié par Thor Rand Al, 16 mars 2010 - 02:41 .

[Nimander]

Sabriana wrote...
Sexism? Where did you get that from? I am disappointed that the only female warrior kicks the bucket. Pick a good mage or a good rogue (male or female), and the GW-commander will feel just as bad. There is a distinct lack of strong female warriors in games, while there is an over-abundance in femMages and femRogues.

Lots of folks in the past few pages are going on like it's some huge insult to women that Mhairi died.

Sabriana wrote...
Hmm, well, ont he other hand, you could be right. There's overt sexism, and there's covert sexism. Like doing something the same old - same old way, just because that's the way it's always been done. Without malice, but still following the good-old-boy path. Good thinking, Nimander

How passive aggressive.

Yes, it's totally old boys club and not something as simple as 'we had two people die last time.  Let's have this person die this time' and she happened to be female.  It was all a plot by the writers!

While I, too, think a female fighter would be cool, I think this is taking sour grapes and trying to push an agenda to make one's opinion the 'right one'.

[Sabriana]

Passive aggressive? That's very funny. You seem to have no clue what you are talking about. If you are tossing big words about, make sure you know their meaning.

It was sarcastic. If you had read my whole post, you would have realized that. I don't care if they sacrifice a femMage or femRogue, there is an over-abundance of those floating around. However, there are precious few femWarriors available as companions. I would have loved to see how it plays out. But I can't. Because she dies. End of story.



Passive-aggressive:

Passive Aggressive (adj.) Of, relating to, or having a personality disorder characterized by habitual passive resistance to demands for adequate performance in occupational or social situations, as by procrastination, stubbornness, sullenness, and inefficiency.

[Thor Rand Al]

Sabriana wrote...

Passive aggressive? That's very funny. You seem to have no clue what you are talking about. If you are tossing big words about, make sure you know their meaning.
It was sarcastic. If you had read my whole post, you would have realized that. I don't care if they sacrifice a femMage or femRogue, there is an over-abundance of those floating around. However, there are precious few femWarriors available as companions. I would have loved to see how it plays out. But I can't. Because she dies. End of story.

There's actually a major shortage of Female Wardens period lol.  Again my pc's the only female warden, that kinda blows.  I was hoping that I'd finally be having a sister warden with me.  Oh well maybe someday that might happen lol

[Noir201]

After thinking about it, i've learned to accept what has happen, has happen, belive me i'm still really annoyed at this but it's no good changing what can't be changed (untill someone makes a mod for it)

Desided going to get awakening and do three things.

One, kill any party member i can't stand and shouldn't have the space Mhairi should have had (Not Nathaniel he's too good of a char in my view)

Two, post constructive feed back on rest of game.

Three, enjoy it for what it is, a expansion, not DA 2 which i do belive will be much better handled then this, and hopefully a real strong female warrior char, that isn't getting killed off for cliched story sake.

Oh i won't let bioware forget about this tho  not in a long shot.

[Nimander]

Sabriana wrote...
Passive aggressive? That's very funny. You seem to have no clue what you are talking about. If you are tossing big words about, make sure you know their meaning.

Pretending to agree with someone while still arguing a point is pretty much textbook passive aggression.

Anyway.  What I'm saying is this: it's totally cool to be upset that Mhairi died, or that there aren't female warriors.  But trying to extend this to some sexist basis is just...well.  Not a good thing.  It cheapens it when it actually -happens-.  Unfortunately, it's very common on fora.  Everyone seems to think they're entitled.