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[AdrynBliss]

another reason rogues are awesome and i say that as a previously devout sword and board warrior.

yesterday i decided to start a new game with a dual weilder and i figured if i'm gonna DW i may as well roll a rogue and see what its like.



Well its awesome, more exp, more loot, more cash, more dialouge options. Rogues get more of everything.

[Rhys Cordelle]

Meadowz wrote...

Yeah, that makes no sense. I can accept being forced to pay a fine when caught stealing, but being sentenced to death? I've stolen a total of 3 items (and failed 3 times) and as a result I've had to kill 40 guards just to save my own neck. Come on, seriously? Does Ferelden have a bizarre zero tolerance policy in regards to stealing or what? You'd think they'd have worse things to worry about, what with that little Blight and all.

To be fair, you've now stolen three items and killed 40 guardsmen. I think a death sentence is definitely in order.

[dmv.vogel]

unfortunately I learned the hard way... I went stealing trying to find more healing and now when I try to travel I end up landing in this amazing battle where they call me a scoundrel for pilfering and kick the crap out of me... 50 against 4 is NO GOOD. recommend not stealing if it can be helped.

[ValentineHeart82]

Steal from the barkeep in The Spoiled Princess first thing, then just wander about and play the game normally pick pocketing as you fancy. Some interesting things will happen.

Oh and seriously the random encounters are the whole point IMO. You can pick pocket EXP, and it's fun and funny and you get some challenging fights. 50 against 4 may not sound fair, but I just killed a greater dragon, a bunch of drakes and lesser dragons, a ton of cultist, some shades, and several darkspawn. Do you think 50 armed humans can touch this?

Modifié par ValentineHeart82, 22 novembre 2009 - 09:03 .

[ValentineHeart82]

Habelo wrote...

Noxxio wrote...

For some reason I thought this was a thread about piracy.

Would you steal a car...?

-why the **** do i get this message? i BOUGHT the ****ing movie..

Would you steal from a shop?

- seriously people who download this movie dont have to watch this crap, why do i?

Would you steal a smurf?

- I WANT TO SEE ME MOVIE NOAW!!!

Haha yeah after downloading Warden's Keep I tried playing and it said something like

"You have purchased Warden's Keep, you must now be connected to BioWare in order to play the game, hahaha you suck idiot, you actually spent money on this over priced short shoddy invasively advertised DLC and now if your internet ever goes down or if there's a problem with the server you're screwed, but we already have your money and we're laughing all the way to the strip bar so we really don't care how you feel about it."

Of course I could be paraphrasing a bit. Anyway I couldn't help but think

-"I bought the damn DLC and this is the type of crap I have to put up with? People who download it illegally don't have to put up with this crap so why do I?"

You can pretty much guess what I did next. I'm so disappointed in BioWare right now, I still love them but I love them like I love ice cream after finding a hair in it.

Modifié par ValentineHeart82, 22 novembre 2009 - 09:17 .

[daemon1129]

I'm not pointing fingers, but with all these protection thing keep getting worse and worse, I might just go from buying to pirating.

[Dylath Leen]

I can't bring to mind any crpgs that handles this aspect of things very well. Infact the whole moral/ethical cause and effect thing is very rarely done 'right'. Perhaps Daggerfall came close, but it's been that long since I played it I can't be sure. Hmm, and maybe The Witcher with regard to consequences of actions.

[Sarevok Anchev]

I dont think the random encounter with 20 guards happens because you are stealing.

I mean: You are in Denerim and Loghain is the new ruler(almost) and lets everybody hunt Grey Wardens.



But there is something, that only happens to stealing Thiefs...

ehmm.. btw... we arent in the SPOILER section of the forumes...

[ValentineHeart82]

daemon1129 wrote...

I'm not pointing fingers, but with all these protection thing keep getting worse and worse, I might just go from buying to pirating.

Hundreds of thousands of otherwise legitimate gamers feel the same way.

[ValentineHeart82]

Sarevok Anchev wrote...

I dont think the random encounter with 20 guards happens because you are stealing.
I mean: You are in Denerim and Loghain is the new ruler(almost) and lets everybody hunt Grey Wardens.

But there is something, that only happens to stealing Thiefs...
ehmm.. btw... we arent in the SPOILER section of the forumes...

Some are caused by stealing, like from Dalish.

[Alneverus]

Sarevok Anchev wrote...

I dont think the random encounter with 20 guards happens because you are stealing.
I mean: You are in Denerim and Loghain is the new ruler(almost) and lets everybody hunt Grey Wardens.

But there is something, that only happens to stealing Thiefs...
ehmm.. btw... we arent in the SPOILER section of the forumes...

In all my playthroughs of the game I've never had that level of encounter from Denerim guards, and I spent a decent amount of time there. This is most likely a case of a stealing encounter, and if that holds true on my current playthrough where I steal everything not nailed down to test this then I can only say one thing. That is extremely bad design.

The reason is simple, it factors into their desire to limit player funds and prevent them from buying 'higher tier' equipment sooner and more readidly. Which, in turn, makes the stealing ability completely pointless and should not have been in the game if they decided such extreme measures should be used to 'punish' a player that engages in a high amount of theft.

At that point I'll definitely be looking for a mod that lets me manually level up characters and pitch out the useless crap it picks up from the auto-level.

[Valamyr]

astrallite wrote...

I like how you get ambushed by 20 guardsman for stealing, but when the Blight hits Denerim you have about 8 guards defending the City Gate with your party.

See, stealing has consequences. Otherwise youd have 28 guards helping you

Actually it would be pretty sweet if killing guardsmen impacted end-game friendly forces.

[Damiannnnn]

The consequences of stealing are that when you travel around cities groups of 20 guards will stop you to bring you to justice for being a thief.



Your party members will then help you slaughter the guards. Even Wynne and Leliana, who in every other instance are good people and against any form of evil/badness.



I guess the consequence of stealing is that it simply doesn't fit in with the character that you're forced to be, a Grey Warden, sworn to defend the land from evil.

[ValentineHeart82]

Damiannnnn wrote...

The consequences of stealing are that when you travel around cities groups of 20 guards will stop you to bring you to justice for being a thief.

Your party members will then help you slaughter the guards. Even Wynne and Leliana, who in every other instance are good people and against any form of evil/badness.

I guess the consequence of stealing is that it simply doesn't fit in with the character that you're forced to be, a Grey Warden, sworn to defend the land from evil.

Woah woah wait a moment. Excuse me but the Grey Wardens aren't above theft, murder, blood magic, genocide, regicide ect if it will secure the future safety of the world. Whatever it takes to win against the blight, no sacrifice is too great. Stealing lines your pockets so that you can buy better gear allowing you to better defend against the blight, there's no reason a Warden who thinks it's useful wouldn't do it.

Modifié par ValentineHeart82, 23 novembre 2009 - 02:30 .

[Alneverus]

ValentineHeart82 wrote...

Woah woah wait a moment. Excuse me but the Grey Wardens aren't above theft, murder, blood magic, genocide, regicide ect if it will secure the future safety of the world. Whatever it takes to win against the blight, no sacrifice is too great. Stealing lines your pockets so that you can buy better gear allowing you to better defend against the blight, there's no reason a Warden who thinks it's useful wouldn't do it.

Agreed. You need coin to wage a war. Just look at your freeloading allies and their constant want for your goods. But do they give back? Nooooo! No wonder the Wardens are needed.

[Elanareon]

You get a random encounter telling you are a thief and they attack you. Happened to me with dalish and denerim.

[Mnemnosyne]

Well I think it's been pretty well established that you can get random encounters that try to kill you in response to stealing, and perhaps some merchants and questgivers refuse to deal with you.

The question that's still in the air is whether you suffer any negative consequences if you never actually fail to steal.

[Meadowz]

Rhys Cordelle wrote...

To be fair, you've now stolen three items and killed 40 guardsmen. I think a death sentence is definitely in order.

I suppose you're right, but letting the guards kill me didn't seem like an option at the time. I figured I had to be alive to keep playing the game.

Sarevok Anchev wrote...

I dont think the random encounter with 20 guards happens because you are stealing.

I've been attacked by Denerim guards twice: the first I was accused of "pilfering" and the second they called me a "thief". I agree they were rather eager to punish me for my misdemeanor, but I have absolutely no doubts both encounters were the result of failed stealing attempts, probably in the Denerim market IIRC.

Modifié par Meadowz, 23 novembre 2009 - 04:02 .

[Alneverus]

Actually I just had a thought. There is a certain quest lines in Denerim of ill-repute. Trying to avoid any spoiler, but I'm curious if you might have done those also. I've done several but never had anything of that nature from doing those particular quests.



Have you done those? If you haven't and are getting that response I'd have to say it is rather disappointing. If you have, it might also be tied to those. I can't say for sure.

[Bibdy]

I honestly haven't seen any repercussions at all for Stealing the crap out of everything in sight. Seems to be just a method of making some bonus cash by sacrificing some skill points.

[Bibdy]

Meadowz wrote...

Rhys Cordelle wrote...

To be fair, you've now stolen three items and killed 40 guardsmen. I think a death sentence is definitely in order.

I suppose you're right, but letting the guards kill me didn't seem like an option at the time. I figured I had to be alive to keep playing the game.

Sarevok Anchev wrote...

I dont think the random encounter with 20 guards happens because you are stealing.

I've been attacked by Denerim guards twice: the first I was accused of "pilfering" and the second they called me a "thief". I agree they were rather eager to punish me for my misdemeanor, but I have absolutely no doubts both encounters were the result of failed stealing attempts, probably in the Denerim market IIRC.

I think those are a biproduct of doing 'certain quests' in Denerim for 'certain people', rather than making use of Stealing. My first playthrough as a Warrior, I didn't have Stealing at all, and encountered both groups of guards travelling through Denerim.

[Meadowz]

Alneverus wrote...

Actually I just had a thought. There is a certain quest lines in Denerim of ill-repute. Trying to avoid any spoiler, but I'm curious if you might have done those also. I've done several but never had anything of that nature from doing those particular quests.

Have you done those? If you haven't and are getting that response I'd have to say it is rather disappointing. If you have, it might also be tied to those. I can't say for sure.

Nah, I've deliberately ignored most of the shady quest NPCs. I've done a couple of quests for the Blackstone Irregulars, Mage's Collective and the Chanters, but I guess they none of those truly fall into the legally dubious category you're referring to.

I'll load an earlier save tomorrow and see if I can reproduce the guard event by failing to steal things.

[Alneverus]

If you've not done the quests with a certain NPC that is theft specific then it is most likely tied to your pickpocketing activities. That being said, that is rather sad to encounter that sort of resistance toward such a minor activity. The theft quests (and other far worse offenses) are something that would anger a few people in positions of power and warrant that level of response.



As a side note I did several of those and never had any issue of being called a thief during a random encounter. Even done some of the far more shadier type quests and never had anything of that nature. The only large encounters in the city I had were two large scale bandit encounters.

[Daryn Mercio]

Habelo wrote...

Noxxio wrote...

For some reason I thought this was a thread about piracy.

Would you steal a car...?

-why the **** do i get this message? i BOUGHT the ****ing movie..

Would you steal from a shop?

- seriously people who download this movie dont have to watch this crap, why do i?

Would you steal a smurf?

- I WANT TO SEE ME MOVIE NOAW!!!

wow, this is probably the funniest thing I have seen all day

[Sakiradesu]

For those who are worried about long-term effects, I've gone around pickpocketing most people without a care in the world.

Other than getting ambushed a few times which are actually really fun fights, it does not have any negative ramifications in the main plot.

That's kind of a spoiler, but I think people want to know so that they can pick up Pickpocketing or not.

Modifié par Sakiradesu, 24 novembre 2009 - 03:00 .