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[Leon Elsa]

Drwhy wrote...

Just let her go at the end of the quest and don't recruit her, it's only way she lives in the epilogue as far as I know.

The way I see it, you helped her do what she was there for, she is a member of the Legion of the Dead and one of the only survivors left, I prefer to let her stay in her order and see what she does with it.

Are you confusing Mhairi, the female warrior, with Sigrun the member of the Legion of the Dead?

Modifié par Leon Elsa, 17 mars 2010 - 02:23 .

[Sunnie]

Well, I was worried that I may be wasting my hard earned money. I looked at the box real hard and long and decided to go ahead and take a chance. Boy am I disapointed. With all the hype and claims of new companions and the hype that led just about everyone to believe she was going to be around for a while, I'll bet one of those ambulance chasing attornies advetising on TV would love to get a hold of this as a class action suit. All sorts of false advertising in this, and there are laws in the US against false advertising. Not a really great move I'd say.

[Maria Caliban]

1. BioWare is a Canadian company.

2. No, it's not false advertizing. I mean, seriously, a class action lawsuit because a character dies?

[Robalicious_13]

The whole sense of realism kicks in, about how much of a sacrifice it is to be a Grey Warden.



It shows you through Duncan's eyes what he saw at your joining , the good and the bad. If everything was all dandy and peachy and there were no problems, DA:O wouldnt be a "dark" RPG. With the positive and negitives that reflect in the world of your character, it can hit as close to home as it can. From your parents being killed, to someone your PC falls in love with, but she must leave ( story of my Pc's life). You can't go in expecting everything to work out. My first time playing DA:O I was shocked at what Logahin did to the king. but thats the element that makes the game so compelling to play, how close it can hit to home, on both the good and bad notes.



With the good comes the bad. Atleast you didn't have to run a companion through like how Duncan did to Jory

[Sunnie]

There are plenty of people in this counrty that are sue happy. Just because BW is in Canada, does not mean they are exempt from US laws, especially when they are selling a product in the US. Well, actually, it would be EA that would be responsible since they are the publisher. So BW really won't be directly implicated. Just saying...

[cachx]

I just rushed here to ask if there was a logic for the joining. But you're telling me that the death is fixed? Whoa... I've been defending Awakenings for a while, but I'm officially shocked at how bad that was.

I'm not against characters dying, but that was just stupid. Couldn't they just have killed a redshirt during the joining and have the girl die in a more dignfied, better written way?

At least she was decent enough to give Cailan's armor set back...

[Banesidhe]

Someone dying at the Joining doesn't confuse me. What confuses me is why she was advertised as a companion for the expansion when it's clear now she was temporary at best.

[The Real Bowser]

Maria Caliban wrote...

NightOak wrote...

Does anyone know if there is a way to keep Mhairi alive during the joining or is she destined to die?

She dies. Always.

Le_Mieux wrote...

It's what is known in the industry as, 'Bad Writing'.

Daveth and Jory both died in Dragon Age: Origins. It's the Joining; someone has to die. That you don't like the fact that someone dies doesn't make it bad writing.

Daveth and Jory were throw-away characters, not characters we were planning on playing with throughout the game.  That's why it's bad writing.

[Jax Sparrow]

Sorry Maria but I have to go with Bowser on this, and say that BioWare needs to fix this because its broken. It IS false advertising to say "here is one of the team mates you can have" and then forcibly kill said team mate in the first chapter. If there was some mechanic to it? then I would say its fine and just part of the game. Yet now? there are simple ways to fix this and it would involve only a small amount of effort. The voice actor gets paid some more and you add one or more red shirts to die like Daveth and Jory.

We got that the joining kills people in the first game. I actually liked Daveth and wished he could have stuck around but oh well. Jory was to much of a whiner. Even later in Awakenings we learn something that may have explained partly why Howe turned crazy... over daddy issues... his daddy died during the joining. So yes there is still plenty of death in Awakenings to get that message across. As Bowser said, this is just a d!<k move and bad writing.

Modifié par Jax Sparrow, 17 mars 2010 - 04:13 .

[izmirtheastarach]

When the joining started, I was actually thinking it would be a betrayel of the mythology if no one died.

[Default137]

What?

So its bad writing to make a character whose sole purpose is to provide a Mage/Rogue a tankish character while they get Anderstair and Oghren die during a ritual with a generally high mortality rate, but its not bad writing to make it so everyone lives in peace, sunshine and flowers, and through sheer strength of being a character with a name can survive a ritual that has a 90% FARKING MORTALITY RATE?

Ah how I love these forums, everyone just wants to hate on Awakening, and refuses to actually look at facts, but instead on small opinions to try and prove they are right, its quite refreshing actually compared to most forums I visit. Although it makes one wonder, if these people hate Awakenings SO MUCH, why don't they just, oh I dunno, not visit the Awakening boards to make the same post 7-10 times a day, sadly, logic is to hard for people.

And Oghren is a damn good tank, he starts out with Threaten, some good armor, and a fairly high Constitution, add in that Anders has a fairly decent amount of heals at first, and if your dying due to a lack of a tank after you get Oghren, no offense, thats because your largely just either bad at games in general, or know next to nothing about how tanking works in Dragon Age. S&S Warriors are supposed to be CC based tanks, 2H are supposed to be just go in there and take the hits type tanks, and DW is supposed to be dodge based tanks, they can all tank very well.

*edit* I will say however, that they did somewhat drop the ball with Mhari, not by having her die, but by not building her character at all during that time, when she was first introduced, all we knew about her was that she was a soldier in the kings army that likes wardens, afterwards, we learn that she was a soldier in the kings army, and likes wardens, and well, thats basically all we ever learn from her. I really think it would have been better to build her character up a bit more before killing her off, now I'll just be suspicious everytime I see a potential squadmember who doesn't get much of a backstory.

*edit edit* As a fourth year law student, you have no case, and would probably lose money trying to sue Bioware over this, actually, Bioware could sue you if you tried sueing them over this as a waste of their time, and as a big business with EA backing them, they probably would win, so I would not advise you trying anything that stupid, unless you really really dislike money. Basically, they have never said she would be throughout the entire game, they said she was a companion, and she is in fact a companion in the game, once they pointed that out, your entire case would fall apart. Now if you can find a line saying Mhari will be there at your side fighting the Architect, you could POSSIBLY have somewhat of a case, but I doubt it would even make it to trial, and you'd probably be laughed out of a courtroom for wasting the Judges time.

Modifié par Default137, 17 mars 2010 - 04:50 .

[-norman]

Sunnie22 wrote...

Well, I was worried that I may be wasting my hard earned money. I looked at the box real hard and long and decided to go ahead and take a chance. Boy am I disapointed. With all the hype and claims of new companions and the hype that led just about everyone to believe she was going to be around for a while, I'll bet one of those ambulance chasing attornies advetising on TV would love to get a hold of this as a class action suit. All sorts of false advertising in this, and there are laws in the US against false advertising. Not a really great move I'd say.

I didn't see any advertising or hype over Awakenings. Maybe I wasn't looking in the right places, I don't know.

Just got through the first part past the joining, so I'm still in the it's too early to judge how I like camp. I was a little disappointed about the importability of a warden that made the ultimate sacrifice, and it sounds like other things don't quite make sense for every outcome from the original.

[Loc'n'lol]

Default137 wrote...

And Oghren is a damn good tank, he starts out with Threaten, some good armor, and a fairly high Constitution,

S&S Warriors are supposed to be CC based tanks, 2H are supposed to be just go in there and take the hits type tanks, and DW is supposed to be dodge based tanks

...

Oghren is, by default, a terribad tank. High constitution doesn't really pay in origins, it only means you get to drink more potions, though awakening tries to fix that with the guardian spec. Threaten is totally overshadowed by taunt and doesn't work that well in the first place (it only affects the enemies your tank is doing damage to)

S&S warriors are the dodge tanks and can pretty much go in there and take hits as well (shield wall provides defense, armor, knockdown immunity and projectile evasion), 2H are the CC based 'tanks', and DW are not supposed to be tanks at all, though it's true they can be marginally succesful dodge tanks (just less efficient than shield users)


As for Mhairi... it's not 'bad writing', it's just a complete waste of a character opportunity...

Modifié par _Loc_N_lol_, 17 mars 2010 - 04:54 .

[BigGuy28]

I'm really disappointed with the expansion over all so far. One of the two characters I was really looking forward to dies with no chance of saving in the first half hour of the game. We can't talk to our companions except at certain spots. Something that was hyped up to be a big bad guy dies in the first half hour as well and you find out that he wasn't unique. The only thing I have liked so far is Nathaniel, I was determined to hate him because of his father and he is actually becoming one of my favorite companions.



This is most likely the last thing to do with Dragon Age that I am going to spend money on, expansion took a lot of my love of the game away.

[Satanic Hamster]

The Real Bowser wrote...
]Daveth and Jory were throw-away characters, not characters we were planning on playing with throughout the game.  That's why it's bad writing.

Daveth died.  Jory was freaking murdered.

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[Default137]

BigGuy28 wrote...

I'm really disappointed with the expansion over all so far. One of the two characters I was really looking forward to dies with no chance of saving in the first half hour of the game. We can't talk to our companions except at certain spots. Something that was hyped up to be a big bad guy dies in the first half hour as well and you find out that he wasn't unique. The only thing I have liked so far is Nathaniel, I was determined to hate him because of his father and he is actually becoming one of my favorite companions.

This is most likely the last thing to do with Dragon Age that I am going to spend money on, expansion took a lot of my love of the game away.

You thought the Withered were the big bad guys? >_>

No offense, but every piece of promotion for this game basically came out and said they were basically the equivilent of Generals, and all pointed torwards the Architech as the big bad, if you got the Withered out of that as the big bad guys, well, uh, not much I can say about you.

[BeckShort]

Sunnie22 wrote...

Just because BW is in Canada, does not mean they are exempt from US laws

Canada is exempt from US laws. 

You are honestly pathetic if you're threatening to sue over a character dying.  I don't think it was bad writing at all - the joining is dangerous, like it or not.  Just...Jesus Christ, Sunnie22.

[BigGuy28]

Default137 wrote...

BigGuy28 wrote...

I'm really disappointed with the expansion over all so far. One of the two characters I was really looking forward to dies with no chance of saving in the first half hour of the game. We can't talk to our companions except at certain spots. Something that was hyped up to be a big bad guy dies in the first half hour as well and you find out that he wasn't unique. The only thing I have liked so far is Nathaniel, I was determined to hate him because of his father and he is actually becoming one of my favorite companions.

This is most likely the last thing to do with Dragon Age that I am going to spend money on, expansion took a lot of my love of the game away.

You thought the Withered were the big bad guys? >_>

No offense, but every piece of promotion for this game basically came out and said they were basically the equivilent of Generals, and all pointed torwards the Architech as the big bad, if you got the Withered out of that as the big bad guys, well, uh, not much I can say about you.

From everything I saw it seemed like the one they kept showing was going to be some big bad guy, not "the" big bad guy. Instead he was just cannon fodder like pretty much every other Dark Spawn I've run into. But thats beside the point and really the most minor of my complaints.

[BigGuy28]

BeckShort wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

Just because BW is in Canada, does not mean they are exempt from US laws

Canada is exempt from US laws. 

You are honestly pathetic if you're threatening to sue over a character dying.  I don't think it was bad writing at all - the joining is dangerous, like it or not.  Just...Jesus Christ, Sunnie22.

Yeah the joining is dangerous, so invent one or two other characters to die like they did with Origins. Don't hype up some character and get people excited to use it then go "lol just kidding" a half hour into the game, thats just stupid.

[FFLB]

When she first mentioned that she was there for the Joining, I immediately decided that I wouldn't equip her with my gear until after things quieted down. I was really wondering if they were going to have all three of them survive, but I was surprised, yet not, when Mhaeri didn't make it through.

I did not keep up with Awakening info at all, so I only have an inkling of an idea of who the companions will be. Before reading this thread though, I was considering the possible dialogue options and character skills that could possibly allow her to survive the Joining, but now I guess it's rather moot.

Anyway, I think it was a good choice by Bioware. It gives it more 'oomph' when compared to the blatantly obvious fodder characters.

Modifié par FFLB, 17 mars 2010 - 06:29 .

[RevengeofNewton]

Maria Caliban wrote...
Daveth and Jory both died in Dragon Age: Origins. It's the Joining; someone has to die. That you don't like the fact that someone dies doesn't make it bad writing.

I agree with this.

[BeckShort]

Yeah, it seems way more cheap and gimmicky to make up characters just to die in the joining. Like, how is that even a question?

[Default137]

BeckShort wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

Just because BW is in Canada, does not mean they are exempt from US laws

Canada is exempt from US laws. 

You are honestly pathetic if you're threatening to sue over a character dying.  I don't think it was bad writing at all - the joining is dangerous, like it or not.  Just...Jesus Christ, Sunnie22.

The amusing thing is, if they actually managed to get the case through, it would not be pretty for them.

They would have to convince a Judge that Bioware lied about Mhari dying, and would have to come up with proof that Bioware lied about her. Problem is, they never say she is a full game companion, just a companion, which is true, thus the entire case would be built around a single persons assumption torwards a video game. Also, for America at least, the Precendent is that Video Game characters are not real, and thus are less influential then real world events, so trying to bring up a case based around "well a video game character died" will more then likely cause your case to never even reach the courtroom, as they would assume you are trying to bring up the whole " a book/movie/vidyagame character died and it brought me mental stress, please give me money" thing.

There is also the fact that in America at least, there are now laws against wasting a judges time, its basically considered the same thing as obstructing justice, and if you bring a bad case to court, or try to sue for something that doesn't matter, you will be paying out of your ass in legal fees, and you can sure expect to spend at least a month behind bars for that, they've gotten really pissed at all the suehappy people recently.

Yay legal system!

Modifié par Default137, 17 mars 2010 - 06:40 .

[Starlight]

I understand the frustration of expecting something while being told it is an illusion. However, isn't that threaten for suing a little bit extreme?

Modifié par Starlight, 17 mars 2010 - 08:56 .