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[LawNinja]

So here's what I thought for my infiltrator:  I took AR as a bonus talent in ME1, because I liked to be a little more aggressive with my gunplay.  It worked very well for me, probably my favorite class build of all time.

So what I thought about for my next Infiltrator build for ME2 is to forgo the Widow and take Assault Rifle training instead, then pick up the Geth assault rifle, Warp Ammo as the bonus power, and use either Disruptor or Cryo Ammo along with my Geth AR, SMG, and the Viper SR.  Thoughts?

Modifié par LawNinja, 16 mars 2010 - 10:31 .

[GiroX-]

Well, I personally say HELL NO, but thats just because I feel an infiltrator uses it full potential using the Widow.



If you like to use the Viper (which I hate for the Infiltrator) then it could be good, but I still find a Widow, Tempest, and Carnifax do just fine.

[CmdrFenix83]

GiroX- wrote...

Well, I personally say HELL NO, but thats just because I feel an infiltrator uses it full potential using the Widow.

If you like to use the Viper (which I hate for the Infiltrator) then it could be good, but I still find a Widow, Tempest, and Carnifax do just fine.

This is my stance as well.  The widow on an Infiltrator is just too good to pass up.  You already have the Tempest for spraying, and the Carnifex for heavy hitting when you want to save shots from your sniper.  Not to mention Incinerate.  The AR would just be redundant with what you've already got available.  Sure, the Vindicator would be a step up from the Carnifex for a backup, but you're going to be using your sniper most of the time(you are, right?) and the Widow not only does *far* more damage than the Mantis, but it even carries a couple more rounds.

[Kronner]

AR is a waste for Infiltrator. Widow is awesome and you have SMG for close combat anyway.

[TheSpaceKraken]

Yeah, first playthrough I took the AR. Big mistake. I was using incisor and vindicator (both with three round bursts) which seemed like an attractive combonation at first but ended up being far inferior to the smg with disruptor ammo to take down shields and Widow with armor piercing to kill shieldless enemy in 1-2 shots.



The AR, IMO, is not ment for infiltrators.

[Gumbeaux Jr]

TheSpaceKraken wrote...

The AR, IMO, is not ment for infiltrators.

This.  The Widow is just that good.

[FoFoZem]

I took the AR on my Infiltrator. I feel that the Infiltrator can be a good sniper regardless of the widow. And I don't like to sit and snipe so I use the Viper and the GPR. No complaints

[Lord Coake]

Widow for Infiltrator, all the way.



AR training is great for most of the other classes, though. It certainly was for my Sentinel.

[Blaise Voltaire]

FoFoZem wrote...

I took the AR on my Infiltrator. I feel that the Infiltrator can be a good sniper regardless of the widow. And I don't like to sit and snipe so I use the Viper and the GPR. No complaints

Personal preference, of course. In scheme of argument pertaining to superiority, preference negligible: widow more efficient.

However, if personal preference linked to success, decision to take AR sensible. Also, point is to have fun; AR more fun, choose AR. Only sensible conclusion.

Viper nice addition for Sentinels. Extends Sentinel's range beyond that of his own powers, or his Tempest. A lot of ammo, too. Very helpful backup weapon.

Infiltrators...Excel at headshots on unsuspecting enemies. Widow clearly superior to Viper in this respect. Almost used Viper/AR's once, changed mind at last minute, went with Widow. Better weapon.

Again, personal preference and individual skill supersede any arguments, yet discussion of which is a more efficient weapon yields Widow as victory. AR's a bit redundant, given similarities between most AR's and Tempest. If you want Vindicator, perhaps understandable. 

Anyway, do what's most fun for you. All that matters, really.

[DeathByWoodchipper]

The Widow is AMAZING. It'll tear through almost any enemy with one hit, even on Insanity.



But...if you're playing on Veteran difficulty or lower, it might be overkill to take the Widow.

[Blaise Voltaire]

DeathByWoodchipper wrote...

The Widow is AMAZING. It'll tear through almost any enemy with one hit, even on Insanity.

But...if you're playing on Veteran difficulty or lower, it might be overkill to take the Widow.

Ahh yes, difficulty very important. Assumed Hardcore or Insanity. I play Hardcore exclusively, personally. Insanity on occasion. Widow definitively perfect weapon for Infiltrator on Hardcore+ but on Veteran or below...Viper can handle enemies with only one or two layers of protection. Easily. 

[Ollympian]

Geth AR is rubbish and not worth sacreficing the widow, if you wanted something else then get shotgun training...

[Lord Coake]

Blaise Voltaire wrote...

DeathByWoodchipper wrote...

The Widow is AMAZING. It'll tear through almost any enemy with one hit, even on Insanity.

But...if you're playing on Veteran difficulty or lower, it might be overkill to take the Widow.

Ahh yes, difficulty very important. Assumed Hardcore or Insanity. I play Hardcore exclusively, personally. Insanity on occasion. Widow definitively perfect weapon for Infiltrator on Hardcore+ but on Veteran or below...Viper can handle enemies with only one or two layers of protection. Easily. 

You type the way Mordin speaks.  Nicely done. 

[Xpheyel]

Heh. I took the Widow on my Soldier because I hadn't gotten the Viper (didn't know it existed, thought the Widow might be the only other SR) yet so I took AR on my Infiltrator. On the plus side it let me play with the Geth Pulse Rifle a lot, on a soldier I'd be hard pressed to pass up the Revenant now that I've played with it (has more dakka).



Having done it though, I'm willing to guesstimate that the Widow is more fun on the Infiltrator.

[Jayce]

LawNinja wrote...

So here's what I thought for my infiltrator:  I took AR as a bonus talent in ME1, because I liked to be a little more aggressive with my gunplay.  It worked very well for me, probably my favorite class build of all time.

So what I thought about for my next Infiltrator build for ME2 is to forgo the Widow and take Assault Rifle training instead, then pick up the Geth assault rifle, Warp Ammo as the bonus power, and use either Disruptor or Cryo Ammo along with my Geth AR, SMG, and the Mantis SR.  Thoughts?

Having done the same in ME1 and already tried this in Me2, I wouldn't bother.  Trust me, neither the Vindicator or Avenger bring anything to the party the Tempest doesn't already and you'll miss the Widow.

If you could pick up the revenant it would be worth it but you can't.....

[LawNinja]

Blaise Voltaire wrote...

DeathByWoodchipper wrote...

The Widow is AMAZING. It'll tear through almost any enemy with one hit, even on Insanity.

But...if you're playing on Veteran difficulty or lower, it might be overkill to take the Widow.

Ahh yes, difficulty very important. Assumed Hardcore or Insanity. I play Hardcore exclusively, personally. Insanity on occasion. Widow definitively perfect weapon for Infiltrator on Hardcore+ but on Veteran or below...Viper can handle enemies with only one or two layers of protection. Easily. 

I <3 the Mordin-speak.

Anway, I enjoyed the Widow, but the lack of spare ammo always vexed me.  12-13 shots and I'm putting on Tactical Cloak to scrounge more clips.  The Viper is less powerful, but has semi-automatic fire and larger clip size/reserves.  And the Geth AR has a damage to shield bonus, meaning I could dispense with disruptor ammo and upgrade cryo.  The Tempest SMG was good, but I wanted something that had more oomph to it.  But if everyone says Geth AR is junk, I'll believe ya.

Ah well.  Thanks for the advice everyone.

[TheBellTolls4Me]

Blaise Voltaire wrote...

DeathByWoodchipper wrote...

The Widow is AMAZING. It'll tear through almost any enemy with one hit, even on Insanity.

But...if you're playing on Veteran difficulty or lower, it might be overkill to take the Widow.

Ahh yes, difficulty very important. Assumed Hardcore or Insanity. I play Hardcore exclusively, personally. Insanity on occasion. Widow definitively perfect weapon for Infiltrator on Hardcore+ but on Veteran or below...Viper can handle enemies with only one or two layers of protection. Easily. 

Your typing is win XD I could totally hear Mordin saying that.

[Atmosfear3]

sigh when are people going to learn that the Tempest serves the same purpose as an AR? Whats the point of even playing the Infiltrator if you're going to ignore the class' most powerful strength, which is sniping? May as well just switch to Soldier =/.

[LawNinja]

Atmosfear3 wrote...

sigh when are people going to learn that the Tempest serves the same purpose as an AR? Whats the point of even playing the Infiltrator if you're going to ignore the class' most powerful strength, which is sniping? May as well just switch to Soldier =/.

Tactical Cloak.

[tonnactus]

Atmosfear3 wrote...

sigh when are people going to learn that the Tempest serves the same purpose as an AR?

The accuracy and damage of the vindicator is far superior then that on the tempest.The vindicator seems to be also better against armor then the hand cannon.

Modifié par tonnactus, 17 mars 2010 - 12:42 .

[OniGanon]

Personally, I find a definite gap between the effective range of a Tempest and the comfortable distance for sniper rifles. This gap can only be filled by Heavy Pistols (which have little ammo) or Assasult Rifles. If you want to be able to cover every range comfortably, the addition of the Assasult Rifle will do that for you. Taking AR also means you'll probably never run out of ammo, ever.



That being said, I don't think an AR will bring as much to your game as the other options- the Widow to maximise your long ranged power, or Shotguns to add a whole new dimension to the class. The Vindicator would be a wonderful backup weapon for the Widow, but unfortunately you can't have both.

[FoFoZem]

Atmosfear3 wrote...

sigh when are people going to learn that the Tempest serves the same purpose as an AR? Whats the point of even playing the Infiltrator if you're going to ignore the class' most powerful strength, which is sniping? May as well just switch to Soldier =/.

You can be a good sniper and not take the Widow. The Tempest is nice but generally needs to be used close-range for maximum accuracy.

If the Tempest served the exact same purpose as AR, then BioWare would not have created the two different weapon categories.

Statistically, the Soldier does make a better sniper and with Assassin Cloak + Widow very few people do any actual infiltrating (which is the Infiltrator's best strength) and they sit and spam Cloak Shots.

Using Enhanced Cloak and Agent with AR training you can destroy defenses with your Viper and then close in undetected to spray them to death.

Works fine for me. I wouldn't say that I am missing out on anything to be honest. In fact, it makes the Infiltrator more fun. In my opinion, at least.

But if you feel that the Tempest is the same as an AR then say that you feel that way. Don't act all exasperated that people don't share your same opinion and don't play it off as fact

[Tlazolteotl]

I also tried using a shotgun with an infiltrator.

Evi at point blank with assassination cloak is lolworthy.

[Lord Coake]

Atmosfear3 wrote...

sigh when are people going to learn that the Tempest serves the same purpose as an AR? Whats the point of even playing the Infiltrator if you're going to ignore the class' most powerful strength, which is sniping? May as well just switch to Soldier =/.

Tempest serves the same purpose as an AR at close range.  HAven't played an infiltrator yet, but my Sentinel got screwed several times on Haestrom (hardcore) for not having the ability ti reliably take down defenses at long range and open up targets for biotic attacks.  After picking up an AR on the Collector ship, her survivability has skyrocketed.

And yes, I use both Warp and guns to take down shields, barriers and armor.  It's just pretty hard to survive popping up from cover to do so when I'm getting hammered by six or eight targets.  AR's are reliable and efficient for that job.

[DaKroganKillla]

BLASPHEMER! KILL IT! KILL IT WITH FIRE![/troll]



Seriously though, why why WHY would you choose ANYTHING over the Widow? Especially the Pulse Rifle?