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[Balerion84]

Luc0s wrote...


Also, I think Apple's Mac OS X (Snow Leopard) is a way better OS than Windows 7, but that might be just my personal preference.

No virusses, no mallware and a clean and fast system withouth the need of extra tools and programs is also reason to consider buying a Mac. No need for stupid Northon, McAffee or Adware anymore

I'm not going to argue with you, but I just want to point out that the "superior security of MAC over Windows" is pretty much a myth. Or at least not entirely true.

Contrary to popular Mac fanboy belief, Macintosh is not more secure from a software standpoint than modern Windows; it's merely safer to use because malware writers prefer to target the platform with the biggest install base, according to Charlie Miller and Dino Dai Zovi, co-authors of The Mac Hacker's Handbook, which came out this spring.

So it's true and it's not. As long as Macs will be in the minority they'll be safer as they'll be pretty much ignored. But if it was the other way around...

P.S. Charlie Miller won the last 2 years in Pwn2Own by hacking a Mac every time, he cracked Safari under 10 seconds and worked for NSA, so I'll take his word on this.   He said that Windows 7 is actually harder to hack than Snow Leopard.

P.P.S. I was using Vista for 2 years, no re-install, no defrag, no format, no viruses. Ran smoothly. No problems. Maybe 3 crashes in those 2 years. Though I messed it up 2 months ago, so my 2 years of smooth sailing ended heh. But that was entirely my fault.

Modifié par Balerion84, 17 mars 2010 - 12:37 .

[Godak]

Luc0s wrote...

However, if you're a creative person, an artist, who uses a lot of creative programs, Mac might be interresting for you. It has a lot of interresting Mac-only programs and through my experience I can say Mac's run programs such as Adobe Photoshop or Maya smoother and less buggy than Windows (XP, Vista or 7) does.

My sister would like to disagree with you, there. She is pursuing a career in graphic design, and she feels that Windows outperforms Macs when using photoshop. She says the entire program is far smoother than when she tried to operate it on a Macbook.

[Seagloom]

Out of curiosity, did she use a Windows notebook when comparing it to a Macbook or a desktop? Also, were they of comparative generations? Luc0s opinion is common. One of my artist acquaintances swears by Macs too, as did my landlady in CA and several others I've met over the years. This is the first I've heard of someone preferring Windows for that.

Modifié par Seagloom, 17 mars 2010 - 01:56 .

[Godak]

Seagloom wrote...

Out of curiosity, did she use a Windows notebook when comparing it to a Macbook or a desktop? Also, were they of comparative generations? Luc0s opinion is pretty common here. One of my artist acquaintances swears by Macs too. This is the first I've heard of someone preferring Windows for that.

She was using her Dell Laptop, and my cousins brand new (as in: opened that day) Macbook. It might help that my sister is a bit of a computer nerd, so she can probably do more with a computer than your average graphic arts student.

[Seagloom]

I guess Apple dropped the ball at some point if she's right. Even if she is, I wonder how widespread that view is.



I'm a computer nerd too, but I'm no graphics designer. Ah well, curiosity momentarily sated.

[Godak]

Seagloom wrote...

I guess Apple dropped the ball at some point if she's right. Even if she is, I wonder how widespread that view is.

Well, I think if you know your way around a computer, owning a Windows PC is going to be more useful. If you only know your way around graphic design programs, then you should probably stick with a Mac.

[Jae Onasi]

Windows 7 for me atm, though I really like Macs better.

[Tenjac]

I remember when I was in college Apple made a big todo about their revolutionary mouse.... they added a third buttton. Weeeeeee.....



Oh yeah.... Win 7 64bit and XP 32 bit.

[Sloth Of Doom]

I have a few friends currently doing animation and their schooling taught them that mac-only programs such as Final Cut Pro were the only way to do things, making Macs necessary for the industry.



Moving out into the real wold they have discovered that most studios use PC, since it is silly to carry around a $4000 brick to run one program when there are cheaper, upgradeable alternatives available.



As for photoshop running smoother on a Mac....I really question that. I think the biggest misconception there is that people are running photoshop on "business" PCs and then comparing that to the latest mac.



Don't get me started on the security thing. Macs are in no way more secure than a PC, and the fact that there is no protection available as an option is -not- a selling feature, it is a detriment. I have a friend that can highjack a mac in about 7 minutes flat and there is nothing the user can do to stop her except to shut down their system or take it offline. On a PC, a similar attack can be thwarted by multiple software suites or OS tweaks. The mac is the the computer equivalent to a "bubble boy" claiming he has never caught a cold.

[TippertonThistledown]

Windows because Steve Jobs is a class A number one flaming jerk who doesn't deserve my support in anything he does.

[SargeantRenegade]

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

Don't get me started on the security thing. Macs are in no way more secure than a PC, and the fact that there is no protection available as an option is -not- a selling feature, it is a detriment. I have a friend that can highjack a mac in about 7 minutes flat and there is nothing the user can do to stop her except to shut down their system or take it offline. On a PC, a similar attack can be thwarted by multiple software suites or OS tweaks. The mac is the the computer equivalent to a "bubble boy" claiming he has never caught a cold.

Hear hear.  The belief that macs don't get viruses is a myth - the only reason why there are relatively few mac virus outbreaks (and there have been a few, here and there) is because they have a lower share of the market.  if you want to make a big virus attack, you write a virus that targets the majority (Windows platforms).  If macs had the majority share, they'd be the ones getting viruses thrown at them from every angle.

On top of that, Apple is very slow to respond to security holes.  Microsoft makes the effort to patch up holes in Windows' security as quickly as possible.  I recall a security hole in the Mac OS that went unnoticed (Read: ignored completely) by Apple for 6 months, and then they finally released a patch to fix it another 2 months later.  To me, that sounds like Apple's way of saying "all of our customers are total suckers and we don't care about them."

No prizes for guessing what OS I use.


Off on a tangent: OS Airline companies:

Mac Airlines
All of the stewards, captains, baggage handlers, and ticket agents look and act exactly the same.  When you ask about details, you are told that you don't need to know, don't want to know and everything will be done for you without you ever having to know, so sit the f*** down and shut the hell up.

WinXP Air
The terminal is pretty and colourful, with friendly stewards, easy baggage check and boarding, and a smooth takeoff.  After about 10 minutes in the air, the plane explodes with no warning whatsoever.

Vista Airways
The same as WinXP Air, but costs more, uses bigger planes, and takes out all other aircraft within a 40 mile radius when it explodes.

[Sloth Of Doom]

hehe, the airline analogy almost made me snort tea out of my nose.

[Noilly Prat]

I don't think that anyone is denying that the relative absence of Mac-afflicting viruses is due to the fact that there are fewer Mac users than PC users. At least personally, I've never heard anyone deny this, and, as a lifelong Mac user, I have always been aware of that fact.



It still doesn't change the fact that it's pretty damn nice not to have to worry about that sort of thing.



That's not to say that we don't get the occasional software conflict or other such problem. But I find that instability, crashes, viruses, and failure-prone software seem to fairly common topics of conversation among PC users, while they almost never come up between Mac users. Even if you think that it's a rather spurious thing to cite as a benefit, hey-- at least we're not constantly having to straighten out viruses and things.



Or, put another way: people can rail against the boy in the bubble all they like, telling him that he only manages to avoid catching colds because of his isolation, but I won't be entirely convinced they aren't just a little jealous... especially when they happen to be sick.

[Godak]

Noilly Prat wrote...

Or, put another way: people can rail against the boy in the bubble all they like, telling him that he only manages to avoid catching colds because of his isolation, but I won't be entirely convinced they aren't just a little jealous... especially when they happen to be sick.

Ah, but what happens when bubble boy does get sick? He dies. Same with Macs. There ARE viruses out there that target Macs, and you will find far less support because of the smaller user base.

[SargeantRenegade]

Noilly Prat wrote...

Or, put another way: people can rail against the boy in the bubble all they like, telling him that he only manages to avoid catching colds because of his isolation, but I won't be entirely convinced they aren't just a little jealous... especially when they happen to be sick.

To continue with that analogy...

Those of us who do get colds do get a benefit from it.  Our immune systems adapt and become better able to deal with future colds.  The same happens to PCs - with every virus outbreak, security holes get patched and security software gets updated to better identify and neutralise similar bugs in the future.

Bubbleboy, on the other hand...  One cold and suddenly he's worse off than a Quarian who took off his helmet in a cloud of Anthrax.

[Sloth Of Doom]

I'm glad to see that some people fully understood my bubbleboy analogy.

[Balerion84]

I always thought living in a bubble is bad. I mean that's what everyone and their mom says. I think this is the first time in my life I've seen someone actually defending a life in a bubble.
I personally like the freedom that comes with the PC. Closed systems like Apple stuff reminds me of communism, but to each his own.

Modifié par Balerion84, 17 mars 2010 - 07:49 .

[Noilly Prat]

Uh... I wasn't defending life in a bubble.  I was simply giving a contrary view using an analogy that had already been brought up.

I think analogies are fine, for argumentative purposes, but let's not take it too literally now.  Fact is, human biology and computer hardware are two different things, and should not be equated except in a purely rhetorical sense.  The last time I checked, I don't think that my body's immune system was subject to market considerations in its ability to defend me against infection.  (Okay, perhaps in a very indirect sort of way, with the pharmaceutical industry's influence in doctor prescriptions and the effect that can have on one's immunity, but that's another matter.)

We can argue over the comparative advantages to having a great immune system while being barraged with a constant viral and bacterial onslaught versus having a weak immune system while having relatively few environmental contaminants to worry about, but I don't think it's really worth it.  Personally, I'm not that interested in defending my choice of computer.  I'm not one of those Mac users.  I fully admit that the choice comes down mostly to personal preference.  We all have our own personal preferences, and I'm not about to suggest that anybody else's is wrong, or try to dress up my own personal preference in purportedly objective criteria.

Modifié par Noilly Prat, 17 mars 2010 - 08:06 .

[Sloth Of Doom]

Ugh, "those" mac users!



I really have nothing against macs, I just don't see any reason why I would ever want to pay three times more money for one than I would for a PC of equivalent power and utility. If you prefer macs and don;t care about throwing a couple thousand extra dollars at something for no reason, then by all means enjoy yourself. Were I to win a mac, or um...find one lying around, or something...I wouldn't burn it while chanting praises to the almighty PC gods.



I do, however, have a problem with "Those" mac users. The pretentious kiddies who have no idea what computers really do, but their mommies bought them them one with the shiny apple because that is what everyone at starbucks uses so that makes them better

[Jae Onasi]

Macs because the "I'm a Mac/I'm a PC" ads are made of awesome-sauce. However, I'll run a Windows until Macs drop down in price to a more reasonable level.

The airline analogy made me LOL.

Modifié par Jae Onasi, 17 mars 2010 - 08:31 .

[Statulos]

Those ads never used me as image and Intel should have. You´re a mac-hipster; I´m a Death Metal pcman.

Modifié par Statulos, 17 mars 2010 - 08:35 .

[Noilly Prat]

I mean, don't get me wrong, I have my reasons for liking Macs, it's just that they pretty much come down to reasons of preference. I find the OS presentation elegant, easy to get around, I like Apple's software suite that comes standard on new Macs (some of those programs, like iTunes, are readily available on PC as well, though), and I generally know my way around Macs, after many years of use. (Although, the new OS is quite different than the old ones, and Apple's sort of recent switch to Intel-based processors means that, for the first time, we have serious software backward compatibility issues.) I do fine with PCs too, though, except for when they start getting crazy.

I can be a bit pretentious, admittedly, but not when it comes to computers.

Modifié par Noilly Prat, 17 mars 2010 - 08:58 .

[Statulos]

I stay away from Mac´s for a very simple reason: overpriced like hell.

[Sloth Of Doom]

Noilly Prat wrote...

I can be a bit pretentious, admittedly, but not when it comes to computers.

Liking Noilly Prat dosn't make you pretentious, it just means you know how to mix a good martini