Awakening Launch Letters from the Team
#176
Posté 06 avril 2010 - 12:18
I had my share of difficulties, mainly because of the DLC's folder needing to be void of anything for the expansion to work.
I have to say that I was a bit sad that you couldn't develop more such a good story with these great NPCs and companions. It feels like the conflict between good evil and the rest could have been explored a bit further. The keep could have been more of a minigame that it was.
That being said, I found the maps very well done and some were beautiful. The new monsters are monstrous enough and the new spells and powers are great.
Somehow I feel like the story and characters could have been the basis for a Dragon Age II and it feels like it was shortened to create an expansion. Still I liked it enough to buy the next expansion you put out.
#177
Posté 06 avril 2010 - 04:42
Varenus Luckmann wrote...
I wonder how it feels to launch something like Awakening, only to realize that it's a horrible mess that doesn't actually add anything to the game it supposedly "expands", and introduces so many bugs people can't even make heads or tails of it anymore.
And then just.. leaving it like that.
The two developers behind Awakening (and I refuse to believe that it is more than two, considering that it acts like a premium module); You.. you have created an abomination!
Um, I quite enjoyed (and am enjoying) Awakening...there are some bugs but none are game breaking for me. I understand some don't like it but, wow, such hostility over a game! It isn't THAT bad!
#178
Posté 06 avril 2010 - 05:31
Hammer6767 wrote...
Varenus Luckmann wrote...
I wonder how it feels to launch something like Awakening, only to realize that it's a horrible mess that doesn't actually add anything to the game it supposedly "expands", and introduces so many bugs people can't even make heads or tails of it anymore.
And then just.. leaving it like that.
The two developers behind Awakening (and I refuse to believe that it is more than two, considering that it acts like a premium module); You.. you have created an abomination!
Um, I quite enjoyed (and am enjoying) Awakening...there are some bugs but none are game breaking for me. I understand some don't like it but, wow, such hostility over a game! It isn't THAT bad!
You are one of the few my timely friend! Awakening is hardly and expansion of DAO. The storyline in and of itself doesn't follow up DAO. Alister appears only as a CAMEO. If we were able to carry over our developed characters especially those who had romanced Leliana, where is her Cameo? Ogren the drunken ale pissing Dwarf would not have been my choice as a return character either. I would have much prefered Shale over Ogren. Apparently you are just into hacking and slashing with little back story or substance that's not a true RPG. You may as well play World at War, Grand Theft Auto, or Call of Duty 4. Mindless killing games with no substance.
However, I haven't played the expansion game and won't--just based upon what I have read here in these forums. Why would I want to spend $40 to be disappointed?
#179
Posté 06 avril 2010 - 05:43
Anyway, not saying people can not LIKE the game, but perhaps it is just your have unrealistic expectations?
Also, you can't possibly believe I am one of the "few" as I think you are basing that on forum posters. You have to realize that only a small minority of gamers post regularly in forums. You can't base your sampling from them as they tend to be the people who bark the loudest when they don't like something. I moderate for another developer's forum and it is the same there. We have roughly 7% registered users when compared to the total game sales. Hardly a majority. And, only about 10% of those registered users post regularly.
Just look at the metacritic scores....there is your answer. It's a good, not Excellent, expansion. And it was fun to play, quirks aside.
Perhaps you are confusing the word "Expansion" with "Continuation"???? Not meant to be rude, but Bioware writers have stated that the purpose of the expansion is to EXPAND on the game world and introduce new characters and stories, not CONTINUE the characters from DAO.
Modifié par Hammer6767, 06 avril 2010 - 05:47 .
#180
Posté 06 avril 2010 - 08:00
Hammer6767 wrote...
Um...all of that is totally subjective on your part. Opinions based on YOUR expectations of an expansion. It is pretty consistent with what I have seen in Bioware expansions of the past. Perhaps you didn't play Baldur's Gate?
Anyway, not saying people can not LIKE the game, but perhaps it is just your have unrealistic expectations?
Also, you can't possibly believe I am one of the "few" as I think you are basing that on forum posters. You have to realize that only a small minority of gamers post regularly in forums. You can't base your sampling from them as they tend to be the people who bark the loudest when they don't like something. I moderate for another developer's forum and it is the same there. We have roughly 7% registered users when compared to the total game sales. Hardly a majority. And, only about 10% of those registered users post regularly.
Just look at the metacritic scores....there is your answer. It's a good, not Excellent, expansion. And it was fun to play, quirks aside.
Perhaps you are confusing the word "Expansion" with "Continuation"???? Not meant to be rude, but Bioware writers have stated that the purpose of the expansion is to EXPAND on the game world and introduce new characters and stories, not CONTINUE the characters from DAO.
I stand corrected then. However, my expectation of the expansion was a follow up of DAO. Why else was I saving my characters who had beat the archdemon --to play in the expansion. Apparently I assumed that some of the storyline from DAO would continue. IAt the very least the storyline for the Awakening was weak. I liked DAO for the storyline and the character development. In that regard the Awakening doesn't fit into my gameplay. I feel cheated out of $40.
Modifié par Jallard, 06 avril 2010 - 08:02 .
#181
Posté 06 avril 2010 - 09:05
Jallard wrote...
Hammer6767 wrote...
Um...all of that is totally subjective on your part. Opinions based on YOUR expectations of an expansion. It is pretty consistent with what I have seen in Bioware expansions of the past. Perhaps you didn't play Baldur's Gate?
Anyway, not saying people can not LIKE the game, but perhaps it is just your have unrealistic expectations?
Also, you can't possibly believe I am one of the "few" as I think you are basing that on forum posters. You have to realize that only a small minority of gamers post regularly in forums. You can't base your sampling from them as they tend to be the people who bark the loudest when they don't like something. I moderate for another developer's forum and it is the same there. We have roughly 7% registered users when compared to the total game sales. Hardly a majority. And, only about 10% of those registered users post regularly.
Just look at the metacritic scores....there is your answer. It's a good, not Excellent, expansion. And it was fun to play, quirks aside.
Perhaps you are confusing the word "Expansion" with "Continuation"???? Not meant to be rude, but Bioware writers have stated that the purpose of the expansion is to EXPAND on the game world and introduce new characters and stories, not CONTINUE the characters from DAO.
I stand corrected then. However, my expectation of the expansion was a follow up of DAO. Why else was I saving my characters who had beat the archdemon --to play in the expansion. Apparently I assumed that some of the storyline from DAO would continue. IAt the very least the storyline for the Awakening was weak. I liked DAO for the storyline and the character development. In that regard the Awakening doesn't fit into my gameplay. I feel cheated out of $40.
Wow! When it rains it pours! I have been griping about GameStop because I haven't received the Awakening since it was said to have been mailed out on March 15th. Well, I finally got their customer service number, from a local store and called them. It turns out that the tracking number claims that it was successfully delivered to my address on the 17th of March. Yet, I had not received it. Then I got to thinking about our new female mail carrier who had mistakeningly put residents Social Security checks in the wrong mailboxes. So, I wonder where the heck is the Awakening disk? At any rate GameStop is overnighting me a new one.
Now it is decision time: "Do I install and play the bug infested game or do I return it to a local store for a refund?"
Modifié par Jallard, 06 avril 2010 - 09:05 .
#182
Posté 07 avril 2010 - 12:40
#183
Posté 07 avril 2010 - 04:46
#184
Posté 07 avril 2010 - 11:05
TimeLordCat wrote...
I have played through three times now (warrior, mage, rogue) to Jallard play it. While it is not the holy grail of expansions it is after all an adventure. Having to spar with Loghain was a treat. I have total disdain for the character. Bringing up all your DAO characters to see how you initially fair is just well plain wicked. No armor and no weapon to very well equiped. I was hoping the letter to the community would give a glimpse of the next expansion and date. The Feastday DLC has its moments and they are just moments. I will play around with DAO and take the character to DAA to appease my need for DA. I have started looking for another rpg to play on the PS3 ME would be nice filler. FF13 and WKC are waiting on the shelf. Bioware you got me now let me show you how much by putting out some more DLC and Expansions.
I would prefer to play another game like DAO. Awakening doesn't seem to fit the bill in that regard. The sad thing is I am growing tired of playing DAO. There is little reason to keep playing if the expansion, to me, is a flop. Apparenly there is little dialogue and very little substance in Awakening. Those are some of things that attract me to RPG. The storyline should read like a novel or novelette; Awakening being a short expansion and all. If I was just into mindless killing things I'd be playing some first person shooter.
I don't want to open the box and be thoroughly disappointed and not be able to return it for a full refund. That all being said, if someone were to develop a lengthy game like DAO, I'd be willing to shell a $100 bucks for the game. But it would have to damn good! After all I have spent more than that on DAO.
I am a retired adult looking to play adult type RPG games, like DAO. I am not a teenager who only cares about mindlessly killing things such as in Grand Theft Auto and the like. Thank you.
Modifié par Jallard, 07 avril 2010 - 11:16 .
#185
Posté 07 avril 2010 - 02:45
Jallard wrote...
Jallard wrote...
I stand corrected then. However, my expectation of the expansion was a follow up of DAO. Why else was I saving my characters who had beat the archdemon --to play in the expansion. Apparently I assumed that some of the storyline from DAO would continue. IAt the very least the storyline for the Awakening was weak. I liked DAO for the storyline and the character development. In that regard the Awakening doesn't fit into my gameplay. I feel cheated out of $40.
Wow! When it rains it pours! I have been griping about GameStop because I haven't received the Awakening since it was said to have been mailed out on March 15th. Well, I finally got their customer service number, from a local store and called them. It turns out that the tracking number claims that it was successfully delivered to my address on the 17th of March. Yet, I had not received it. Then I got to thinking about our new female mail carrier who had mistakeningly put residents Social Security checks in the wrong mailboxes. So, I wonder where the heck is the Awakening disk? At any rate GameStop is overnighting me a new one.
Now it is decision time: "Do I install and play the bug infested game or do I return it to a local store for a refund?"
So you haven't played it yet? Interesting that you feel so strongly about it.
Anyway, the game does continue the story as you go to the new home of the grey wardens awarded to them at end game DAO. You meet relatives of characters from the first game and it also refers back to your actions in DAO...so, not sure where you think the story is unrelated. You just aren't running around all of Fereldan with the same NPC's...that's about it.
#186
Posté 07 avril 2010 - 03:54
Hammer6767 wrote...
Jallard wrote...
Jallard wrote...
I stand corrected then. However, my expectation of the expansion was a follow up of DAO. Why else was I saving my characters who had beat the archdemon --to play in the expansion. Apparently I assumed that some of the storyline from DAO would continue. IAt the very least the storyline for the Awakening was weak. I liked DAO for the storyline and the character development. In that regard the Awakening doesn't fit into my gameplay. I feel cheated out of $40.
Wow! When it rains it pours! I have been griping about GameStop because I haven't received the Awakening since it was said to have been mailed out on March 15th. Well, I finally got their customer service number, from a local store and called them. It turns out that the tracking number claims that it was successfully delivered to my address on the 17th of March. Yet, I had not received it. Then I got to thinking about our new female mail carrier who had mistakeningly put residents Social Security checks in the wrong mailboxes. So, I wonder where the heck is the Awakening disk? At any rate GameStop is overnighting me a new one.
Now it is decision time: "Do I install and play the bug infested game or do I return it to a local store for a refund?"
So you haven't played it yet? Interesting that you feel so strongly about it.
Anyway, the game does continue the story as you go to the new home of the grey wardens awarded to them at end game DAO. You meet relatives of characters from the first game and it also refers back to your actions in DAO...so, not sure where you think the story is unrelated. You just aren't running around all of Fereldan with the same NPC's...that's about it.
I see!?! Well perhaps I will take a chance and play it? I just wish someone would fix these damn bugs, which they seem to be in denial about.
#187
Posté 07 avril 2010 - 07:21
i have had very few issues with Dragon Age origins; so i'm happy to get DLC and Expansions.
the only problem: with so many cool additions in awakening, it seems like any additional expansion would not be able to improve the game further. but i trust bioware not to release bad content. after all, there were quite a few things in awakening that i didn't think of before hand.
unfortunately, i have a lot of work to do and so have not yet played through awakening
Modifié par sim2er, 07 avril 2010 - 07:29 .
#188
Posté 08 avril 2010 - 10:35
#189
Posté 08 avril 2010 - 12:45
THEY DON'T CARE! People are probably still buying the game and all its gimmicks.
I think we should all start boycotting EA and Bioware or at the very least write letters to our State Congressmen and Senators, complaining about their business ethics and poor customer service and support.
I am seriously thinking about contacting a local TV station-- Channel Two On Your Side-- who are dedicated in protecting their local consumers. Perhaps if it makes national news EA and Bioware would have to respond in kind. I don't think they want bad publicity!?!
#190
Posté 08 avril 2010 - 05:39
Anyway, the Silverlight Mine issue is an easy fix...you just restart the save before you entered the mine (you save your game, I hope) and take off all you're character's armor/weapons...solved.
I played through the expansion three times and there really aren't any gamebreaking bugs. A few quests that won't spawn, some improper codex entries, and the stealing issue. Most of these have workarounds and will surely be addressed in the forthcoming patch....
Modifié par Hammer6767, 08 avril 2010 - 05:41 .
#191
Posté 08 avril 2010 - 05:55
Hammer6767 wrote...
Kind of empty and extreme to hold a "boycott" for a game you haven't played...just saying. And, where did this notion come that they aren't going to fix anything? I think three patches have been released in 5 months...that's pretty damn good compared to other developers. They are actively chatting on their forum, designers, writers, etc. And, they are keeping track of any potential bugs...why all the hate?
Anyway, the Silverlight Mine issue is an easy fix...you just restart the save before you entered the mine (you save your game, I hope) and take off all you're character's armor/weapons...solved.
I played through the expansion three times and there really aren't any gamebreaking bugs. A few quests that won't spawn, some improper codex entries, and the stealing issue. Most of these have workarounds and will surely be addressed in the forthcoming patch....
I am not just talking about the Awakening. As for those three so-called patches being released in the last 5 months all I have seen is patch 1.03. Where are the other tow patches.
Why would I want to play a game that is full of bugs? Do you honestly think consumers are that friggin stupid? I just know my local TV station would love to hear about this. I'd gladly give them access to my account to see it for themselves.
Where is the patch now? My game crashes incessentely. Just a few
minutes ago it crashed twice in a span of ten minutes of play. Are you
some kind of secret forum observer for EA and Bioware. You certainly give them
way to much credit for fixing things.
(And, even if I wanted to play the Awakening I haven't yet received the one I purchased from GameStop, back in early March?!? Another fiasco in the gaming world!?!) They are all rip offs!)
I just got off the phone with GameStop about why I haven't received the replacement disk of the Awakening, that they had promised to overnight to me. That was three days ago. I never received the first one, although they claim that it was delivered and signed for: But, it wasn't signed by me! I don't know who has it or where was delivered? Anyway, supposedly they have issued me a full refund of my $39.99. They also stated that it would take 3 to 5 business days to reappear on my bank account. I guess we will see, won't we????? Somehow I have my doubts and I will have just thrown away $40 for nothing. Atypical of the gaming these days.
Modifié par Jallard, 08 avril 2010 - 06:14 .
#192
Posté 09 avril 2010 - 04:11
Item #1: Patch 1.03 is patch number three. The number "3" denotes that it is the third revision of the game. The initial release is always 1.00 or 1.0. There have been two patches before 1.03, aptly named 1.01 and 1.02.
Item #2: Every game ever made has bugs or technical glitches. And, every game that will ever be released in the future will have bugs or technical glitches. If it bothers you, you may want to consider another hobby. Not trying to be rude, just realistic. Plus, more often then not, the crashing issues displayed are almost always a conflict with software or a driver in your system.
Item #3: Your local TV station could not care less about a video game crashing on your PC.
Item #4: I have no affiliation with EA or Bioware. I just have an understanding of the industry and some common sense.
Modifié par Hammer6767, 09 avril 2010 - 04:14 .
#193
Posté 09 avril 2010 - 04:41
Hammer6767 wrote...
Item #2: Every game ever made has bugs or technical glitches. And, every game that will ever be released in the future will have bugs or technical glitches. If it bothers you, you may want to consider another hobby. Not trying to be rude, just realistic. Plus, more often then not, the crashing issues displayed are almost always a conflict with software or a driver in your system.
True, however most developers fix these bugs, especially ones that have nothing to do with the system they're played on (epilogue and dialogue bugs, missing items, pickpocketing, not to mention dexterity still isn't fixed in console versions). As for crashing, it seem to have become more frequent after 1.03 was released, therefore it isn't unreasonable to assume that the patch caused it. Perhaps a side effect of trying to solve the loading time issue?
Anyway, all games have bugs is true, it is the state the game is released in and how quickly and thoroughly those issues are solved by which i judge a developer. BioWare isn't the best example right now, to put it politely.
#194
Posté 09 avril 2010 - 06:54
All this time I have been complaining about the bugs and the Awakening expansion. I was basing my (ignorant) opinions solely upon what I was reading here in the forums. That being said, I want to openly apologize for my asinine rantings. With all of the trouble that I was having woth GameStop Online and not receiving the Awakening and such, I went to Pioneer Square to the GameStop store this morning and purchased a copy and installed it.
I just got done clearing out the Vigile Keep and I was relatively impressed --so far. I even used a character in the original game that was only at level 8: An Elf Mage in fact.
The installation went very smoothly and thus far I have not seen any bugs nor has my game crashed in almost two hours of play time.
Again, I apologize to everyone! Thank you.
Jallard
#195
Posté 09 avril 2010 - 08:21
Very enjoyable installment, but not "expansive" enough in storyline, character development, or hours to complete to rate $39.95.
#196
Posté 09 avril 2010 - 10:47
ToJKa1 wrote...
Hammer6767 wrote...
Item #2: Every game ever made has bugs or technical glitches. And, every game that will ever be released in the future will have bugs or technical glitches. If it bothers you, you may want to consider another hobby. Not trying to be rude, just realistic. Plus, more often then not, the crashing issues displayed are almost always a conflict with software or a driver in your system.
True, however most developers fix these bugs, especially ones that have nothing to do with the system they're played on (epilogue and dialogue bugs, missing items, pickpocketing, not to mention dexterity still isn't fixed in console versions). As for crashing, it seem to have become more frequent after 1.03 was released, therefore it isn't unreasonable to assume that the patch caused it. Perhaps a side effect of trying to solve the loading time issue?
Anyway, all games have bugs is true, it is the state the game is released in and how quickly and thoroughly those issues are solved by which i judge a developer. BioWare isn't the best example right now, to put it politely.
I guess that is up for subjective debate, but I have seen a lot worse over the years. As I said, three patches in 5 months is pretty decent. I am not really sure what companies your basing your comparisons on, but the few I know rather well (Bioware, CA) are rather involved in the community (i.e. the designers post regularly) and release updates quickly.
Part of the problem is people on the boards complaining loudly with absolutely no idea how a game developer is run and just setting their own expectations which may or may not be based in reality. The issues you describe above (which I agree should be fixed), are not game breaking, per say. In fact, a buddy of mine had no idea what I was talking about when I mentioned the dexterity thing as he is a casual gamer who didn't even think to look into it. That is probably 80%+ of the gamers out there...usually the hardcore "nerds" find these issues anyway.
#197
Posté 09 avril 2010 - 11:56
Many people have game breaking issues.Constant unexplained lag.slowwwwwwwwwww load times.(we re talking more than 5 minutes to load an area,i heard even more than 10 min for some people),crushes to desk.
You're telling me that those are not game breaking?You re only talking like that because your own game runs fine,ask the other thousands with problems like myself.I have this game for 6 months,(collector's edition as well)and i struggled to play with the horrible lag.I even got near the end but gave up when i realised that i was struggling through a buggy as hell game.I refuse to keep playing a completely broken product anymore.
So no,its not the hardcore nerds that have problems,its many people out there,just not you.
#198
Posté 10 avril 2010 - 01:28
angelo1907 wrote...
I can tell you that you are 100% wrong there Hammer6767.
Many people have game breaking issues.Constant unexplained lag.slowwwwwwwwwww load times.(we re talking more than 5 minutes to load an area,i heard even more than 10 min for some people),crushes to desk.
You're telling me that those are not game breaking?You re only talking like that because your own game runs fine,ask the other thousands with problems like myself.I have this game for 6 months,(collector's edition as well)and i struggled to play with the horrible lag.I even got near the end but gave up when i realised that i was struggling through a buggy as hell game.I refuse to keep playing a completely broken product anymore.
So no,its not the hardcore nerds that have problems,its many people out there,just not you.
There is no denying some people are having problems, but, again, how are you getting your numbers? Thousands? Really? You can prove that? Every game ever released has a percentage of people who have crashing issues.
Where I am not 100% wrong is that there are too many grey areas out there. If a game works fine for 9 out of 10 people, are you saying that it is absolutely a bug causing the last person's game to crash? Or could it be bad memory stick in their pc? Overheating issues? Overclocking issues? Corrupt driver or DirectX install? Windows not up to date?
There are way too many variables and, no, the issues you describe are not game breaking bugs. It sounds more performance related on the PC/OS side.
Some of you people who know very little about how PC's, Windows and hardware work spout off out of frustration and cloud the real issues. Happens with every game in every developer forum. It's predictable.
Modifié par Hammer6767, 10 avril 2010 - 01:29 .
#199
Posté 11 avril 2010 - 02:19
Thousands was an exageration,i wasn't trying to be precise,i was just expressing my level of frustration.However,does it need to be thousands of people with problems for them to fix the issues?Its certainly not one or two guys along with me,its a lot of people that bought a broken game and frankly i don't care if you aggree with me or not that it is broken,
Youemind me of the rich folks in times of crisis saying"there's no crisis,in my household everything works as usual,we have plenty of money to spare"while poor or regular people are unemplyed and starving.I'm of course not accusing you of something like that!
My point is that when something is not directly affecting you its all the other people's fault right?It can't be bioware's fault for god's sake!
Btw,you said:"If a game works fine for 9 out of 10 people, are you saying that it is absolutely a bug causing the last person's game to crash?"Where are YOU getting your facts?
Let me now immitate your know it all style from the last two things you said.
Those ARE game breaking bugs whether you like it or not.
Some of us people DO know about how PC's Windows and hardware work and some of us have been playing games for more than 15 years now so please..stop the patronising and go play your GOOD copy of the game lucky boy,ok?
Oh and one last thing you failed to notice.(surprising i know,how did you miss it in your omniscience?).People's major issue with Bioware is not the FACT that there are bugs.Its the fact that Bioware is basically silent for MONTHS now while many people cannot play their game.The old bioware always tried to help out with bugs and those kind of things.Nowadays its a completely different story.
Go take a look at the PC technical forums and tell me there is no problem,if there is no problem how come Bioware said they are LOOKING INTO THE PROBLEM??????
Cheers!
Modifié par angelo1907, 11 avril 2010 - 02:19 .
#200
Posté 11 avril 2010 - 03:41
angelo1907 wrote...
As predictable as inconciderate know-it-all people who are always right..right?You should know...
Thousands was an exageration,i wasn't trying to be precise,i was just expressing my level of frustration.However,does it need to be thousands of people with problems for them to fix the issues?Its certainly not one or two guys along with me,its a lot of people that bought a broken game and frankly i don't care if you aggree with me or not that it is broken,
Youemind me of the rich folks in times of crisis saying"there's no crisis,in my household everything works as usual,we have plenty of money to spare"while poor or regular people are unemplyed and starving.I'm of course not accusing you of something like that!
My point is that when something is not directly affecting you its all the other people's fault right?It can't be bioware's fault for god's sake!
Btw,you said:"If a game works fine for 9 out of 10 people, are you saying that it is absolutely a bug causing the last person's game to crash?"Where are YOU getting your facts?
Let me now immitate your know it all style from the last two things you said.
Those ARE game breaking bugs whether you like it or not.
Some of us people DO know about how PC's Windows and hardware work and some of us have been playing games for more than 15 years now so please..stop the patronising and go play your GOOD copy of the game lucky boy,ok?
Oh and one last thing you failed to notice.(surprising i know,how did you miss it in your omniscience?).People's major issue with Bioware is not the FACT that there are bugs.Its the fact that Bioware is basically silent for MONTHS now while many people cannot play their game.The old bioware always tried to help out with bugs and those kind of things.Nowadays its a completely different story.
Go take a look at the PC technical forums and tell me there is no problem,if there is no problem how come Bioware said they are LOOKING INTO THE PROBLEM??????
Cheers!
Welcome to the PC gaming industry. Thousands upon thousands of different combinations of parts, different OSes, make it neigh impossible to successfully render out every bug in existence.
Are you new to PC games? It's always been like that, as far as I can remember back to the first release of Doom (which I ironically could not play do to a bug)
I can successfully report that I have the game running with zero problems, as well as awakening.





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