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In a word...disappointing.

Okay, I got over the no romances thing. I'm fine with that. But honestly it feels like this was made by people who only read the Cliff's Notes on DAO.

Before I begin, let me say I tried to avoid spoilers, but I did see the names of the groupmates in their respective threads. I knew Velanna was an uptight Dalish, Anders was a wise-cracking apostate, Oghren was coming back, and then I just heard a few more names but didn't (and in some cases still don't) know anything about them: Mhairi, Justice, etc. I stayed away from the Q&A, even after the initial posting. I didn't even read the Penny Arcade comic past page 1.

So in roughly chronological order (except for the stuff that's not):
-Hey, I have no shoes on. That's cool. I really thought I'd get a chance to keep playing after I finished DAO, so I could swap out my DLC armor, but it wouldn't let me, so no, that didn't work out. Maybe you could have given me like some tier 1 sandals or something though? Nah, it's okay. It totally makes sense for the Hero of Ferelden to walk around barefoot.
-Cool prologue, fun first mission (really fast filling up the group though)

-Anders' first scene is probably my favorite ever...I love how he shakes out his hands after he's done casting that huge blast of flame (just a nice, small, subtle touch), and the look on his face when he turns around. "I didn't do it." Bravo...that was awesome. I was worried he was going to be a lame Alistair replacement, but his personality feels all his own.

-OMG LOOK, A KITTY! Finally we cat people get our turn. PLEASE let us have it as a pet, PLEASE--oh, it's a gift. (Yes I admit I had a totally un-manly squee moment when I thought, beyond all hope of reason, I might get to have a cat for a pet. This one is my fault...honestly it was a pretty unrealistic expectation)

-"HEY OGHREN! Okay I was a little harsh on you when I heard you were the returning companion, but in my last DAO playthrough I maxed out your approval and your speech at Denerim was really touching and you're one of my best buds (especially since Alistair and I are forbidden to talk about anything not 100% bland--more on that later), and...oh...your approval of me reset in the couple of weeks, months tops, since the end of DAO? So our bromance meant nothing? What happened to us, where'd the spark go?" Oh, and "you remember anyone named Felsi? No? I was under the impression you, like...had a kid with her. Named it after me. No? Okay."

-Mhairi...doesn't make it? WTF? I know she had a trailer made for her...why would you possibly do that? The explanation I've heard the most is that it adds "realism" or whatever, but if that was the intent, this is an epic fail. She's in the game for like 30 minutes. That's not long enough to form any emotional attachment, even with the tearful vow of revenge scene. So the only "attachment" is the players thought they were getting a cool new companion, and BW went "gotcha!" It's totally OOC. It's us (the real life players) who got screwed, not our characters. Again, why? Go through all that trouble to make us think we were getting this companion only to say "just kidding?" I think someone in another thread summed it up best when they called it a "dick move." I can only hope some way is eventually discovered to avoid it, but it's not looking like that will happen.

-Woo, Alistair, already! Finally I can say "Dude, we need to have a huge bro-mantic conversation." Err, nope. Just a 30 second conversation and he's gone. Can't even ask you how being married to Anora is going? Not so much as a "Hey sorry about sparing Loghain and such?" Oh, you've never heard of anyone named Loghain? (See next)

-Uh, seneschal, what do you mean you only know of 1 Fereldan warden? Loghain was put in charge of recruitment, remember? THAT SEEMS LIKE THE KIND OF THING THAT PEOPLE WOULD TALK ABOUT. HE WAS PRETTY FAMOUS. I mean, come on. That wasn't one of the things that carried over? (I'm hoping I just need to give this time and it was just an oversight...because honestly.)

-"As a matter of fact, Anders, I am something of a fan of apostates. In fact,  I'VE BEEN KNOWN TO MAKE GOD-BABIES WITH THEM." Oh, sorry...I mean "yes, I mildly approve of your apostate-ness. Morrigan who?"

-OMG WYNNE! The one who listened to me baring my soul and pouring out all my worries and fears because I had to act strong for the rest of the group (and because no one else hardly bothered to ask me how I was doing)! The one who was a maternal figure for my city elf whose mother was "especially dead!" I didn't know if I'd ever see you again! Gimme a big hug and tell me about what happened with Shale! Err, what's that? All I get is a "hey what's up" and not so much as a handshake? And...you're sending me out on some random errand? Just like...everyone else used to always do? :crying:

-REALLY?! Really, Bioware? You're going to put the lady from Weisshaupt's head RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE CAMERA when the banns are swearing fealty? No one...noticed this? Did no one play an hour of the game on XBox 360?

-Oh, look at that. We can make our own runes. Best part: TONS MORE STUFF TO CLOG UP OUR INVENTORIES! WOOHOO!

-Hey guard captain? Why am I running around catching your crooks for you? I thought I was sort of the boss here. You guys are just standing around. I feel uncomfortable with this situation. I feel like people won't take me seriously if I do this for you. I'm running around in the mud and all the refugees are looking at me. Telling me to stop looking at them. That doesn't seem like something you should tell the Arl of the city you're so desperate to get into. Maybe it's because my behaviour isn't very Arl-like. Just a thought. I doubt Eamon ever had to do anything like this.

A few good things to balance it out (or at least make it slightly less unbalanced):
-Holding court. IS. SWEET. No, I don't know why I love it so much. I feel like Solomon I guess. I hope this happens a lot.
-Thank you for the personal storage chest! Good, good stuff.
-CAM CLARKE back as Herren (among others)! I knew you'd bring him (Clarke) back. Never doubted you for a minute. That's Leonardo, you guys!
-Someone mentioned Bhelen. That was my choice in Orzammar! So that's one thing that carried over.

EDIT: Just remembered another one. What is up with everyone pronouncing "apostate" as "APP-uh-state" instead of "uh-POSS-tate?" I think it shifts in the middle of a conversation in fact, with the templars that travel with Alistair. Anders says "uh-POSS-tate", the templar replies with "APP-uh-state," and then it stays that way after that (so far).

EDIT again: I chose to search for Morrigan at the end of DAO, and Zevran decided to come with me. Would it really have been that hard to toss the prologue voiceover guy a few more bucks to have him say "Oh and by the way, Zevran and the Warden couldn't find Morrigan so they came back to Ferelden and then Zevran went off somewhere." Or have some character (like Oghren) say something like "well at least it's only you two mages since the Commander couldn't find that other one." That can be the end of it. Just the barest hint of an acknowledgement of what I did would be enough.

Okay I'm done. I'm not saying it's bad, or even that I regret purchasing it, but...bleh. It doesn't take lots of voiceover just to MENTION people from the last game. Romances, even friendships, I get it. But come on...just a little name-dropping would go a long way. People loved DAO because they got emotionally involved. And it wouldn't take a lot to give that a nod every once in a while. There's still a chance this improves later in the game...I'm keeping the faith.

I hope that last part was coherent, because that was my main point and I don't feel like much of the rest was coherent at all. I ended up staying up all night last night getting my canon DAO playthrough just perfect, and I'm feeling kind of loopy.

Modifié par SirOccam, 17 mars 2010 - 03:19 .


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SirOccam wrote...

-Mhairi...doesn't make it? WTF? I know she had a trailer made for her...why would you possibly do that? 


To be completely awesome.

I loved, and am loving, Awakening. Is it Origins? No, and it shouldn't be.

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I agree with you 10x on holding court.



It just feels.....awesome. I'm loving awakening.

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Bryy_Miller wrote...



SirOccam wrote...



-Mhairi...doesn't make it? WTF? I know she had a trailer made for her...why would you possibly do that?




To be completely awesome.



I loved, and am loving, Awakening. Is it Origins? No, and it shouldn't be.


No, but it should take place in the same universe as Origins did. And also they should kill off people that will have a dramatic impact...not people that characters have no reason to care about. People who only matter to human players because they intentionally made us think we were going to get a fun new companion.

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Either that, or they don't release a trailer for her and then everyone knows she's going to die.

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SirOccam wrote...

In a word...disappointing.

Okay, I got over the no romances thing. I'm fine with that. But honestly it feels like this was made by people who only read the Cliff's Notes on DAO.

Before I begin, let me say I tried to avoid spoilers, but I did see the names of the groupmates in their respective threads. I knew Velanna was an uptight Dalish, Anders was a wise-cracking apostate, Oghren was coming back, and then I just heard a few more names but didn't (and in some cases still don't) know anything about them: Mhairi, Justice, etc. I stayed away from the Q&A, even, after the initial posting. I didn't even read the Penny Arcade comic past page 1.

So in roughly chronological order (except for the stuff that's not):
-Hey, I have no shoes on. That's cool. I really thought I'd get a chance to keep playing after I finished DAO, so I could swap out my DLC armor, but it wouldn't let me, so no, that didn't work out. Maybe you could have given me like some tier 1 sandals or something though? Nah, it's okay. It totally makes sense for the Hero of Ferelden to walk around barefoot.
-Cool prologue, fun first mission (really fast filling up the group though)

-Anders' first scene is probably my favorite ever...I love how he shakes out his hands after he's done casting that huge blast of flame (just a nice, small, subtle touch), and the look on his face when he turns around. "I didn't do it." Bravo...that was awesome. I was worried he was going to be a lame Alistair replacement, but his personality feels all his own.

-OMG LOOK, A KITTY! Finally we cat people get our turn. PLEASE let us have it as a pet, PLEASE--oh, it's a gift. (Yes I admit I had a totally un-manly squee moment when I thought, beyond all hope of reason, I might get to have a cat for a pet. This one is my fault...honestly it was a pretty unrealistic expectation)

-"HEY OGHREN! Okay I was a little harsh on you when I heard you were the returning companion, but in my last DAO playthrough I maxed
out your approval and your speech at Denerim was really touching and
you're one of my best buds (especially since Alistair and I are
forbidden to talk about anything not 100% bland--more on that later), and...oh...your
approval of me reset in the couple of weeks, months tops, since the end
of DAO? So our bromance meant nothing? What happened to us, where'd the
spark go?" Oh, and "you remember anyone named Felsi? No? I was under the impression you, like...had a kid with her. Named it after me. No? Okay."

-Mhairi...doesn't make it? WTF? I know she had a trailer made for her...why would you possibly do that? The explanation I've heard the most is that it adds "realism" or whatever, but if that was the intent, this is an epic fail. She's in the game for like 30 minutes. That's not long enough to form any emotional attachment, even with the tearful vow of revenge scene. So the only "attachment" is the players thought they were getting a cool new companion, and BW went "gotcha!" It's totally OOC. It's us (the real life players) who got screwed, not our characters. Again, why? Go through all that trouble to make us think we were getting this companion only to say "just kidding?" I think someone in another thread summed it up best when they called it a "dick move." I can only hope some way is eventually discovered to avoid it, but it's not looking like that will happen.

-Woo, Alistair, already! Finally I can say "Dude, we need to have a huge bro-mantic conversation." Err, nope. Just a 30 second conversation and he's gone. Can't even ask you how being married to Anora is going? Not so much as a "hey sorry about sparing Loghain and such?" Oh, you've never heard of anyone named Loghain? (See next)

-Uh, seneschal, what do you mean you only know of 1 Fereldan warden? Loghain was put in charge of recruitment, remember? THAT SEEMS LIKE THE KIND OF THING THAT PEOPLE WOULD TALK ABOUT. HE WAS PRETTY FAMOUS. I mean, come on. That wasn't one of the things that carried over? (I'm hoping I just need to give this time and it was just an oversight...because honestly)

-"As a matter of fact, Anders, I am something of a fan of apostates. In fact,  I'VE BEEN KNOWN TO MAKE GOD-BABIES WITH THEM." Oh, sorry...I mean "yes, I mildly approve of your apostate-ness. Morrigan who?"

-OMG WYNNE! The one who listened to me baring my soul and pouring out all my worries and fears because I had to act strong for the rest of the group (and because no one else hardly bothered to ask me how I was doing)! The one who was a maternal figure for my city elf whose mother was "especially dead!" I didn't know if I'd ever see you again! Gimme a big hug and tell me about what happened with Shale! Err, what's that? All I get is a "hey what's up" and not so much as a handshake? And...you're sending me out on some random errand? Just like...everyone else used to always do? :crying:

-REALLY?! Really, Bioware? You're going to put the lady from Weisshaupt's head RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE CAMERA when the banns are swearing fealty? No one...noticed this? Did no one play an hour of the game on XBox 360?

-Oh, look at that. We can make our own runes. Best part: TONS MORE STUFF TO CLOG UP OUR INVENTORIES! WOOHOO!

-Hey guard captain? Why am I running around catching your crooks for you? I thought I was sort of the boss here. You guys are just standing around. I feel uncomfortable with this situation. I feel like people won't take me seriously if I do this for you. I'm running around in the mud and all the refugees are looking at me. Telling me to stop looking at them. That doesn't seem like something you should tell the Arl of the city you're so desperate to get into. Maybe it's because my behaviour isn't very Arl-like. Just a thought. I doubt Eamon ever had to do anything like this.

A few good things to balance it out (or at least make it slightly less unbalanced):
-Holding court. IS. SWEET. No, I don't know why I love it so much. I feel like Solomon I guess. I hope this happens a lot.
-Thank you for the personal storage chest! Good, good stuff.
-CAM CLARKE back as Herren (among others)! I knew you'd bring him (Clarke, not Herren) back. Never doubted you for a minute. That's Leonardo, you guys!
-Someone mentioned Behlen. That was my choice in Orzammar! So that's one thing that carried over.



Okay I'm done. I'm not saying it's bad, or even that I regret purchasing it, but...bleh. It doesn't take lots of voiceover just to MENTION people from the last game. Romances, even friendships, I get it. But come on...just a little name-dropping would go a long way. People loved DAO because they got emotionally involved. And it wouldn't take a lot to give that a nod every once in a while. There's still a chance this improves later in the game...I'm keeping the faith.

I hope that last part was coherent, because that was my main point and I don't feel like much of the rest was. I ended up staying up all night last night getting my canon DAO playthrough just perfect, and I'm feeling kind of loopy.


Please, please tell me you see Alistair for more than that 30 second clip?? Maybe you see him again at the end of the game when you finish your 'mission'? Oh, boy this is not sounding good :unsure:

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I've only played a handful of hours, so maybe there's more later (seems reasonable to assume that we will see him at/near the end), but essentially he rides in, says "darkspawn, huh? Well, see ya." There is one line which contains a very VERY slight smidgen of snark, hinting that he is still not over you sparing Loghain (I haven't tried it on a character who killed Loghain), but as far as I'm aware there's no way to address the "elephant in the room" with him.

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Spin****e wrote...

Either that, or they don't release a trailer for her and then everyone knows she's going to die.

Okay, but then I still have to ask...to what end? We get a totally abrupt, arbitrary death with no dramatic impact. So why even have it in at all? Just to say you really pulled one over on your fans? Why not at least have it happen later, so we can get to know her, and maybe even start to care a little?

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I agree with you 100%. This game is crap. I LOVED Origins. Awakening is crap.

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As a HNF I married Alistair and he did mention it as he called me Dear Wife and wished he could stay with me then kissed me on the cheek and left. Ok so they mentioned it but really in all the time i'm in Amaranthine, why isn't he sending me soppy love letters? there should be at least *somethng* ala Kaidan/Ashley in Mass Effect 2. It's like hey wife go out kill darkspawn, im not gonig to check up on you because you're so bad ass, see you in a year or so.



Oh and IMO, I swear Anders reminds me sooooo much of AListair, he even looks like Cailan and he talks JUST like Alistair (imo) not the exact same voice but his tone and personality it's like AListair never left! THere are even a few flirty moments with him AND my approval with him is LOVE!?!?! what the hell lol. But now I can't talk to him anymore. I'm fine with the no romances but there so could have been something between him and the Player or god forbid -



SPOILER ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





Nathaniel Howe.

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SirOccam wrote...

Spin****e wrote...

Either that, or they don't release a trailer for her and then everyone knows she's going to die.

Okay, but then I still have to ask...to what end? We get a totally abrupt, arbitrary death with no dramatic impact. So why even have it in at all? Just to say you really pulled one over on your fans? Why not at least have it happen later, so we can get to know her, and maybe even start to care a little?


Because they aren't gonna rewrite the game for a red shirt.

She was in the game to be a tank for the intro of the game. Bioware has consistently done this with introduction NPCs. They made a mistake with the trailer, people got attached.

Modifié par Spinnazie, 17 mars 2010 - 01:25 .


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double post

Modifié par Spinnazie, 17 mars 2010 - 01:24 .


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Spin****e wrote...

SirOccam wrote...

Spin****e wrote...

Either that, or they don't release a trailer for her and then everyone knows she's going to die.

Okay, but then I still have to ask...to what end? We get a totally abrupt, arbitrary death with no dramatic impact. So why even have it in at all? Just to say you really pulled one over on your fans? Why not at least have it happen later, so we can get to know her, and maybe even start to care a little?


Because they aren't gonna rewrite the game for a red shirt.

She was in the game to be a tank for the intro of the game. Bioware has consistently done this with introduction NPCs. They made a mistake with the trailer, people got attached.

I think the bolded part is all I'm saying. Whatever the case, it was really unsatisfying. It didn't feel like a "wow" moment. It was more like a "wait...I think I clicked the wrong dialogue somewhere" moment. It has nothing to do with the story; it's all out of character. It feels like it should have been avoidable, since we were expecting a character that would be there for a good chunk of the story at least.

I agree the problem is more with them hyping the character and posting a trailer as opposed to just having a character die. If we didn't think this character was meant to stay with us, it would be better, and the death would have the appropriate meaning (illustrating the deadliness of the joining) instead of just being a "WTF?" moment.

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Spin****e wrote...

SirOccam wrote...

Spin****e wrote...

Either that, or they don't release a trailer for her and then everyone knows she's going to die.

Okay, but then I still have to ask...to what end? We get a totally abrupt, arbitrary death with no dramatic impact. So why even have it in at all? Just to say you really pulled one over on your fans? Why not at least have it happen later, so we can get to know her, and maybe even start to care a little?


Because they aren't gonna rewrite the game for a red shirt.

She was in the game to be a tank for the intro of the game. Bioware has consistently done this with introduction NPCs. They made a mistake with the trailer, people got attached.


Really, what games? not in Baldur's Gate or BGII, not in NWN.  Don't recall it happening in Mass Effect 2. 

Jory and Daveth don't really count in Origins, you know they're fodder, though I was disappointed they killed Duncan off before I could steal his armor. 

Just curious as to what games they do do this.

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SirOccam wrote...

I think I clicked the wrong dialogue somewhere" moment.



Yes, she dies during the joining because you didn't wish her good luck!

Exactly!


But in all seriousness, what I'm trying to say is that it's not that big of a deal. I agree with you, it just doesn't make or break the game.

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That post was entertaining as hell. I don't care how you feel about the rest of the game, but I sure hope you keep posting about it! :)

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redleafchewer wrote...

Spin****e wrote...

SirOccam wrote...

Spin****e wrote...

Either that, or they don't release a trailer for her and then everyone knows she's going to die.

Okay, but then I still have to ask...to what end? We get a totally abrupt, arbitrary death with no dramatic impact. So why even have it in at all? Just to say you really pulled one over on your fans? Why not at least have it happen later, so we can get to know her, and maybe even start to care a little?


Because they aren't gonna rewrite the game for a red shirt.

She was in the game to be a tank for the intro of the game. Bioware has consistently done this with introduction NPCs. They made a mistake with the trailer, people got attached.


Really, what games? not in Baldur's Gate or BGII, not in NWN.  Don't recall it happening in Mass Effect 2. 

Jory and Daveth don't really count in Origins, you know they're fodder, though I was disappointed they killed Duncan off before I could steal his armor. 

Just curious as to what games they do do this.



KOTOR, Mass Effect,  and Mass Effect 2.

How exactly do Jory and Davoth "not count"? They are prime examples.

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Talk to the Hand cause the Face aint listening :P

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Hilarious. You claim it sucks Mhairi dies because there's no dramatic effect because nobody got attached but you go on, and on about how it perturbs you and others... because you got attached. BIO did awesome with that. This thread (and others prove this).

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Volourn wrote...

Hilarious. You claim it sucks Mhairi dies because there's dramatic effect because nobody got attached but you go on, and on about how it perturbs you and others... because you got attached. BIO did awesome with that. This thread (and others prove this).



^ this

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Spin****e wrote...
They made a mistake with the trailer, people got attached.


Bingo! Another case of them misjudging the effect. I understand what they were trying to do but the way they've done has just led my emotional reaction to be one of annoyance... towards Bioware.

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yeah the random ship member in kotor got trailers and char blogs for over a month, oh so did jenkins, and wilson, i remember him, wasn't he shot in one of the first 30+ video demos? sorry not prime examples.

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SirOccam wrote...

I've only played a handful of hours, so maybe there's more later (seems reasonable to assume that we will see him at/near the end), but essentially he rides in, says "darkspawn, huh? Well, see ya." There is one line which contains a very VERY slight smidgen of snark, hinting that he is still not over you sparing Loghain (I haven't tried it on a character who killed Loghain), but as far as I'm aware there's no way to address the "elephant in the room" with him.


I know for certain his dialogue and actions are different with a HFN he is married to. I just really hope there are more interactions available with him later in the game. If  not, that is a huge let-down and depressing. :pinched:

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Really? Because this thread and others adds up to me saving about $40

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slydfoxxy wrote...

As a HNF I married Alistair and he did mention it as he called me Dear Wife and wished he could stay with me then kissed me on the cheek and left. Ok so they mentioned it but really in all the time i'm in Amaranthine, why isn't he sending me soppy love letters? there should be at least *somethng* ala Kaidan/Ashley in Mass Effect 2. It's like hey wife go out kill darkspawn, im not gonig to check up on you because you're so bad ass, see you in a year or so.

Oh and IMO, I swear Anders reminds me sooooo much of AListair, he even looks like Cailan and he talks JUST like Alistair (imo) not the exact same voice but his tone and personality it's like AListair never left! THere are even a few flirty moments with him AND my approval with him is LOVE!?!?! what the hell lol. But now I can't talk to him anymore. I'm fine with the no romances but there so could have been something between him and the Player or god forbid -

SPOILER ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Nathaniel Howe.


Really?