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Posté 17 mars 2010 - 12:55

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Why isn't there more diversity between the characters?

YES they are all extremely interesting and unique

YES they have interesting backstories and personalities

YES i kno you will all hate me for this

BUT they all control the same way

when we first picked up Jack, she looked like one badass **** and i thought "if she can do that, then shes my new best buddy."

when we first picked up garrus, he could snipe like no other, and i was like "awesome!"

When we first picked up Mordin, he was healing everyone in sight and i said "useful"

when we first got thane, my jaw dropped and i managed an "insane"

when we first got tali, she... yeah bad example

when we first met zaeed, he didnt take no **** from no one. nice, dude.

When we first saw grunt, he almost broke our necks and i thought "hello, tank"

when we first glimpsed jacob, my thought was "nice pistol headshot!"

when we first talked to miranda, i said "natural leader. right there"

when we first sat audience to samara, i had to remeber to breathe.

and when we first met legion, i didn't think anything, cause legions' not special.  :P

BUT my point is: Why CAN'T Jack tear through enemies like that? Why CAN't garrus pick everyone off in some super special move? Why CAN'T mordhin heal my squad as an ability?  Why CAN'T thane stealth ahead and take out some enemies for me? Why CAN'T zaeed march in, coldblooded and efficient, and execute his enemies like that?  Why CAN'T grunt 'hulk smash' the enemy into oblivion or have a second wind when he goes down?  Why CAN'T jacob precisely nail every pistol shot he takes? Whay CAN'T miranda have a leadership role on the battlefield?  Why CAN'T samara fly?

WHY are we not the biggest badasses in the universe?

just to clear this up, i realize these things would have been nigh impossible to implement, and would've taken double the amount of production time.  i also realize the game would have been to easy if our squadmates were really this badass. but honestly: if thane can do THAT to nassan dantius and co., then why has he dumbed himself down to popping up from behind crates in plain view with an inaccurate SMG?

i'm just saying.

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FoFoZem
Posté 17 mars 2010 - 01:51

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Squad members should have unique powers

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Posté 17 mars 2010 - 01:57

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I reckon what all those squadmates need to do that stuff is a power that requires .. say .. 20 kills to charge up.

Then pow. Super combo finish. Oh wait .. wrong game.

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GtarTravis
Posté 17 mars 2010 - 02:27

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I don't really think it's their abilities, but rather their AI and the game mechanics. Their programming.makes it so that they all behave the same way - seems like a shortcut on the developers part: "Ok, we've got squad AI down. Wanna just copy and paste the voices and skins onto the same AI?" For example, as you stated, Garrus is supposed to be a sniper guy - an expert marksman. Yet he shoots no better than Zaeed or Thane. Or Jack, a shotgun wielding b*tch with one mean biotic punch. Yet due to the game mechanics, on any difficulty other than normal, biotics are very situational.



So, my suggested to remedy to this is, as you have been suggesting, give the teammates a unique "punch". Maybe nothing too major, just a little more programming (it may be easier said than done as I am not a programmer). Maybe make it so that biotic teammates are excused from the anti-biotic immunity granted by shields and armor? Make Garrus and his sniper rifle have a 100% of hitting the enemy everytime? Rather than making him miss? etc etc Just my 2 cents

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Posté 17 mars 2010 - 04:43

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If all of that would happen, then your crew would be overpowered and the game would be super easy, even on Insanity.

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chikndip
Posté 17 mars 2010 - 05:49

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could implement a unique ability for each NPC that has a longer cooldown than all other powers

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AntiChri5
Posté 17 mars 2010 - 10:17

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Gameplay vs story.



Cutscenes are to explain WHY you are bothering to go to all this trouble to recruit them. But if they were overpowered the game would not be fun.

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Posté 17 mars 2010 - 10:43

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I can see what you're saying but it would be slightly overpowered if they all had these awesome unique powers. I would like slightly better AI. For example, Garrus (who's supposed to be a sniper like you say) runs around like he's indestructible and inevitably dies a lot.

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Posté 17 mars 2010 - 10:48

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chikndip wrote...

could implement a unique ability for each NPC that has a longer cooldown than all other powers


Squad unique powers? Like barrier, slam, and neural shock? We already have them

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Posté 17 mars 2010 - 10:56

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Diversity? You are fighting along side a Terminally ill snake thing that assassinates people, a giant frog with multiple organs and 4 testicles, and a talking turtle who used to be a police officer from a giant space station. Do you not see diversity is that?

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Posté 17 mars 2010 - 08:04

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this would definitely spice up the battles, right now they just seem to follow the same set-up everytime



1: find cover

2: pop up and shoot

3 reload and heal back up if necessary

4 pop up and shoot

rinse and repeat this endlessly



I understand that this game would be easy as it currently stands if jack could take out 17 mechs all by herself but they could always throw a lot more enemies at you and harder ones too. It doesnt make much sense to me that 4 people can charge into an enemy ship and completely wipe everything out by simply pointing and shooting(or spamming biotics). If you think about it, there wouldnt just be 5-6 collecters here and there on the collectors main ship. There should be like 7 praetorians coming after you accompanied by 30 collectors

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Posté 17 mars 2010 - 08:11

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Jimmy2011 wrote...

this would definitely spice up the battles, right now they just seem to follow the same set-up everytime

1: find cover
2: pop up and shoot
3 reload and heal back up if necessary
4 pop up and shoot
rinse and repeat this endlessly

I understand that this game would be easy as it currently stands if jack could take out 17 mechs all by herself but they could always throw a lot more enemies at you and harder ones too. It doesnt make much sense to me that 4 people can charge into an enemy ship and completely wipe everything out by simply pointing and shooting(or spamming biotics). If you think about it, there wouldnt just be 5-6 collecters here and there on the collectors main ship. There should be like 7 praetorians coming after you accompanied by 30 collectors


There would be balancing issues even so if that were the case. The characters have to be relatively balanced for the sake of gameplay, which unfortunately leads to similar fighting styles for them all.

Cutscenes are typically overhyped in any game out there...

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Posté 17 mars 2010 - 08:13

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Bloodhuman1 wrote...

...the game would be super easy, even on Insanity.


Too late.

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Posté 24 mars 2010 - 01:51

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Akinra wrote...

I can see what you're saying but it would be slightly overpowered if they all had these awesome unique powers. I would like slightly better AI. For example, Garrus (who's supposed to be a sniper like you say) runs around like he's indestructible and inevitably dies a lot.

tht, my friend depends on how it is implemeneted into the game

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Posté 24 mars 2010 - 01:53

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Just_mike wrote...

Diversity? You are fighting along side a Terminally ill snake thing that assassinates people, a giant frog with multiple organs and 4 testicles, and a talking turtle who used to be a police officer from a giant space station. Do you not see diversity is that?

i c diversity in the characters, not the characters actions

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Tlazolteotl
Posté 24 mars 2010 - 01:54

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Actually, I would have been happy with cosmetic changes.

Such as Samara doesn't leap over cover, she floats over it.

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Posté 24 mars 2010 - 02:22

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Tlazolteotl wrote...

Actually, I would have been happy with cosmetic changes.
Such as Samara doesn't leap over cover, she floats over it.

edit: such as SAMARA FREAKING FLIES AT ENEMIES AND KNOCKS THEM OVER!!!
or have a short term biotic shield be her power.

actually, ill list here:
samara: short term biotic shield tht detonates outward at highest evolution
jacob: "dead eye" pistol shots for 3 shots
miranda: does she even need one? im not so sure
jack: biotic rage that sends her bowling through enemies wit increased damage. on highest evolution, even useful against large mecs
thane: spiritual killing or sumthing? or would fox complain?
grunt: melee killing spree!
garrus: squad command to drop back wit sniper rifle; temporary "dead eye" headshots wit SR
tali: can hack computers to esplode explosive barrels in vicinity
legion: shadow killer= blends into shadows and snipes away for period of time. different from cloak
mordin: either squad healing power OR messes up genetics in enemy and makes them unable 2 fight

did i miss any1?

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Lord Exar
Posté 24 mars 2010 - 06:22

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This is a dilemma I've struggled with, too. The best way, for me, is to simply use my imagination while playing. Just because Garrus isn't actually lethally sniping everyone, there's no reason you can't imagine that he is. Or that when Jack uses her biotic powers, they're not more spectacular then they are. Immerse yourself in the game and let your mind run wild with it.

Tlazolteotl wrote...

I reckon what all those squadmates need to do that stuff is a power that requires .. say .. 20 kills to charge up.
Then pow. Super combo finish. Oh wait .. wrong game.

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Posté 24 mars 2010 - 09:57

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Lord Exar wrote...

This is a dilemma I've struggled with, too. The best way, for me, is to simply use my imagination while playing. Just because Garrus isn't actually lethally sniping everyone, there's no reason you can't imagine that he is. Or that when Jack uses her biotic powers, they're not more spectacular then they are. Immerse yourself in the game and let your mind run wild with it.

Tlazolteotl wrote...

I reckon what all those squadmates need to do that stuff is a power that requires .. say .. 20 kills to charge up.
Then pow. Super combo finish. Oh wait .. wrong game.

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if i just imagined everything, there'd be no point in playing the game

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Lord Exar
Posté 25 mars 2010 - 01:20

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Ace of Anton wrote...

if i just imagined everything, there'd be no point in playing the game

Well, by that logic, what good is reading a book?  You have to take the words and imagine what they're describing, right?  I agree, your logic should be applied to things like...movies, to a certain extent.  Some of the old 80s movies where the special effects wasn't up to snuff require a bit of imagination in order to accept some things, but for the most part, a movie isn't an engaging experience and you sort of just see what's on the screen and process it.  I feel like books and some games, key word being some, requires me to immerse myself and that results in my imagination taking what I'm reading/playing and running with it.

I guess all I can say to you is that I'm sorry that your imagination is hindering you so much.  If you take everything at face value, you probably don't enjoy much.

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Posté 25 mars 2010 - 01:44

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Jimmy2011 wrote...

this would definitely spice up the battles, right now they just seem to follow the same set-up everytime

1: find cover
2: pop up and shoot
3 reload and heal back up if necessary
4 pop up and shoot
rinse and repeat this endlessly

I understand that this game would be easy as it currently stands if jack could take out 17 mechs all by herself but they could always throw a lot more enemies at you and harder ones too. It doesnt make much sense to me that 4 people can charge into an enemy ship and completely wipe everything out by simply pointing and shooting(or spamming biotics). If you think about it, there wouldnt just be 5-6 collecters here and there on the collectors main ship. There should be like 7 praetorians coming after you accompanied by 30 collectors


What is this cover of which you speak?

The game is basically

1. Charge
2. Shotgun to the face.
3. If enemy is dead, process to step one.  Otherwise, melee once, then proceed to step one.

It's simple, but oh so much fun.

Wait, what?  There are classes other vanguard?

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Posté 26 mars 2010 - 02:33

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Lord Exar wrote...

Ace of Anton wrote...

if i just imagined everything, there'd be no point in playing the game

Well, by that logic, what good is reading a book?  You have to take the words and imagine what they're describing, right?  I agree, your logic should be applied to things like...movies, to a certain extent.  Some of the old 80s movies where the special effects wasn't up to snuff require a bit of imagination in order to accept some things, but for the most part, a movie isn't an engaging experience and you sort of just see what's on the screen and process it.  I feel like books and some games, key word being some, requires me to immerse myself and that results in my imagination taking what I'm reading/playing and running with it.

I guess all I can say to you is that I'm sorry that your imagination is hindering you so much.  If you take everything at face value, you probably don't enjoy much.

no no c the problem is tht my imagination is 2 rampant. i imagine wut could've been and don't enjoy the game.  i dont use my imagination 2 fill in the gaps, i use my imagination 2 make wuts already there even better and make the gaps seem wider.
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