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[Domyk]

Wicked 702 wrote...

MassFrost wrote...

Wicked 702 wrote...

MassFrost wrote...

So go play Square Enix games to your heart's content instead of wasting time whining about BioWare. What's difficult about this?

I'm not going to rehash everything I've posted in another thread. Simply put, I have a right to demand that a product I purchase be held to the highest standards. When it fails those standards, I have a right to voice my opinion until the issues are corrected.

So let me see if I understand, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. You were disappointed with the many bugs that have yet to be corrected in Origins, yet you gave BioWare more money for an expansion knowing the same bugs would still exist?

I have not and will not purchase this expansion. You may have me confused with someone else.

So why are you here?  You don't have the expansion but yet you are complaining about "bugs" you have not witnessed first hand ...... interesting

[The_Abyss]

Wicked 702 wrote...

The_Abyss wrote...

Wicked 702 wrote...

I can. Square Enix games - bug free. Enough said.

Still waiting for a rebuttal from the naysayers about FFXII up top.

Square's PC version of FF7/8 was buggy, just FYI.

After that they never made another PC RPG. Probably can't handle the debugging for all the different hardware configurations possible on a PC.

Plus, there was NEVER a western game company (on PC) that had a non buggy game.

To be fair, let's compare apples to apples. In order for a proper comparison, we'd have to compare native platforms. So we need to compare Square Enix games on a console (what they were designed for) to Bioware games for a PC (what THEY were designed for). But that's still not a 100% fair comparison because the numerous PC configurations out lend their own breed of bugs. So we have to eliminate those from consideration.

What you are left with are the bugs that exist regardless of what configuration you play with. And the list of those bugs is pretty long. So yeah, I'd say Bioware fails the quality test.

Not to say bioware didn't fail the quality test - they did - but for most longtime PC gamers, this is an accepted fact due to the fact that it will never be possible to cater to ever single different PC out there (not to mention the enormous differences in user behaviour that would also affect things - like if they updated their drivers, their OS, etc). I would suppose this would come as a culture shock for console gamers, since it is far easier to debug a console game than a PC game.

Now, I haven't really been playing bioware games heavily since KOTR (I never played ME and jade empire) - DA was the first in a while - and I don't really have any idea how buggy their recent games (other than DA) were, so if we are to compare, it would be fairer to compare, say,  jade empire's bugginess with DA.

[Wicked 702]

Domyk wrote...

So why are you here?  You don't have the expansion but yet you are complaining about "bugs" you have not witnessed first hand ...... interesting

Already answered that question on page 1.

Rehash: Let see. Since Awakenings using the same engine as DA: O, and they
haven't patched the problems from the original, I'd say my specific
list of problems with Awakenings can already be found under the
numerous topics detailing the bugs with Origins. Oh and yes, there is
confirmation of this fact with the dex bug.

The game is buggy because it's the exact same as Origins. Enough said....

[Feraele]

Domyk wrote...

Did not even share one point on what you did not like about the expansion.

I bet you dont even have the expansion and are just trolling

I'm only about 4 hours in..haven't encountered any bugs yet..what are you referring to..if you can,  no spoilers of course?

[Wicked 702]

The_Abyss wrote...

Not to say bioware didn't fail the quality test - they did - but for most longtime PC gamers, this is an accepted fact due to the fact that it will never be possible to cater to ever single different PC out there (not to mention the enormous differences in user behaviour that would also affect things - like if they updated their drivers, their OS, etc). I would suppose this would come as a culture shock for console gamers, since it is far easier to debug a console game than a PC game.

Now, I haven't really been playing bioware games heavily since KOTR (I never played ME and jade empire) - DA was the first in a while - and I don't really have any idea how buggy their recent games (other than DA) were, so if we are to compare, it would be fairer to compare, say,  jade empire's bugginess with DA.

I agree with you wholeheartedly. But just because PC users are used to it doesn't mean they should accept it. I'm really not the picketing rally type but the fact that the new patch for Awakenings adds new bugs, corrects none of the old ones, and we've STILL not had any word on what Bioware plans to do other than give us substandard coding has got me at my wits end.

[Feraele]

DeadlyBlades621 wrote...

camcon2100 wrote...

Domyk wrote...

Did not even share one point on what you did not like about the expansion.

I bet you dont even have the expansion and are just trolling

How is showing dissapointment in a company trolling????

Just saying "it's buggy, you suck" is showing disappointment, yes, but it sure as heck isn't productive, and achieves absolutely nothing.

If you want to get through to Bioware, reviewing the game after PLAYING THROUGH IT, and being objective with your judgement is the best way to show disappointment, because they'll actually listen.  I'm fine with people having issues with the expansion, but it's best handled in a mature manner.  The game is far from a buggy piece of garbage, as some would have people think, but it is not without it's downfalls.  

I'm a big supporter of maturity, and being heard by companies by being intelligent and well spoken.  Wish it was a more common practice.

Agreed..I sure would like to hear what problems have been encountered, thus far my expansion play has been pretty smooth.   Wondering whats up?

[Feraele]

camcon2100 wrote...

DeadlyBlades621 wrote...

camcon2100 wrote...

Domyk wrote...

Did not even share one point on what you did not like about the expansion.

I bet you dont even have the expansion and are just trolling

How is showing dissapointment in a company trolling????

Just saying "it's buggy, you suck" is showing disappointment, yes, but it sure as heck isn't productive, and achieves absolutely nothing.

If you want to get through to Bioware, reviewing the game after PLAYING THROUGH IT, and being objective with your judgement is the best way to show disappointment, because they'll actually listen.  I'm fine with people having issues with the expansion, but it's best handled in a mature manner.  The game is far from a buggy piece of garbage, as some would have people think, but it is not without it's downfalls.  

I'm a big supporter of maturity, and being heard by companies by being intelligent and well spoken.  Wish it was a more common practice.

Why do i need to state what has already been stated, look at another forum. This is showing distrust in a companys moves and products not a review of the game...

Well...your OP post has no substance if you can't enumerate the problems you are encountering?   It just looks like you've decided you don't like the expansion...because others don't?

What is the particular problem you have come across (without spoiling please) that has you upset?

[Wicked 702]

Alright ya'll. Time for me to go home. Think I'll play FFXIII tonight even thought I REALLY want to play DA:O. There's no way I'm going to download that new patch from Xbox live.



Feel free to flame away at me and I'll try to respond to the coherent criticisms tomorrow.

[The_Abyss]

Wicked 702 wrote...


I agree with you wholeheartedly. But just because PC users are used to it doesn't mean they should accept it. I'm really not the picketing rally type but the fact that the new patch for Awakenings adds new bugs, corrects none of the old ones, and we've STILL not had any word on what Bioware plans to do other than give us substandard coding has got me at my wits end.

Yea, the new patch adding worse bugs was a pretty big bo bo. Personally I haven't even patched my DA:O yet. I can live with the load times - used to play games which had even longer load times, heh.

[Feraele]

abat223 wrote...

My romance was recognized in the epilogue

I will write a short review tonight

Indeed my dalish elf had her romance recognized..and I was pleased to see it wasn't just a "flash" and then over.

[Feraele]

Wicked 702 wrote...

Alright ya'll. Time for me to go home. Think I'll play FFXIII tonight even thought I REALLY want to play DA:O. There's no way I'm going to download that new patch from Xbox live.

Feel free to flame away at me and I'll try to respond to the coherent criticisms tomorrow.

I think we are all being coherent here...well most of us.

[VanDraegon]

camcon2100 wrote...

Ok here we go. This is the ps3
version. The game freezes on me ever hour or so. I lost shale who i
loved. My dlc items are gone. None of the romances of mine were
recognized. All new sqadmates who i dont give a damn about.

Sounds like you should have bought the PC version and you still want to be playing DA:O.

Modifié par VanDraegon, 17 mars 2010 - 05:05 .

[Grimgor79]

VanDraegon wrote...

Sounds like you should have bought the PC version.

 Sounds like not all of us can do that.


 If you cant bring something of value to a thread why even post in it?


 Edit.    I've got nothing against the PC version and I'm glad you guys got the patches, you deserve a relatively bug-free gaming experience as much as we do. Just wanted to point that out so you dont think I'm suggesting the XBOX deserved any priority over PC or anything like that.

Modifié par Grimgor79, 17 mars 2010 - 05:09 .

[DeadlyBlades621]

So hostile in this thread. I can respect people not liking the game, especially if we're gonna meet in the middle and discuss. Personally, I had low expectations, but had faith. I'm enjoying the experience.

[VanDraegon]

Grimgor79 wrote...


 Sounds like not all of us can do that.


 If you cant bring something of value to a thread why even post in it?

Why not?

There are people posting here who havent even played it but that doesnt stop them from ****ing about it. If the OP and his ilk wish to whine and complain because DA:A did not meet their expectations, i am going to rub salt in their wounds for acting childish.

Modifié par VanDraegon, 17 mars 2010 - 05:17 .

[Walina]

He isn't the only person who claim that the game has a lot of bug, here too : http://www.gamekult....00351_test.html



And yes ZELDA has no bugs!

[some_person_thats_fat]

Ah, the damned if you do and damned if you don't situation.

You had situation
a. Game gets released and hope that EA Games doesn't just force them to stop the patchwork
Or...
b. Game gets pushed back and people rage going "THIS IS THE LAST STRAW BIOWARE!" Then, the game could still get released buggy and incomplete (Much akin to Kotor 2)

Edit: Oh yeah... Be happy you don't live in Australia

Modifié par some_person_thats_fat, 17 mars 2010 - 05:18 .

[Hezulkai]

MassFrost wrote...

Why don't you post what, specifically, you're having problems with? I'm 6 hours in so far and have yet to encounter a bug, and have found it incredibly enjoyable so far. Your rant doesn't really hold much value unless you're willing to let BioWare know what exactly you're finding wrong with the game.

Haven't been able to play it because I can't get past meeting Ohgren in the keep in the starting area.  Reloaded, restarted, patched and always the same thing.  No mobs, no fight, Ohgren won't talk to me and I can't open the door.

So, if the rest of the game is buggy, I'm not too sure.  I can only play the first 10 minutes.

Oh, and loading in as a tank without a weapon was also awesome.  I lost my DLC sword and had to steal my NPC ally's sword just to play.  Yay.

[Angband21]

about 5 hours into awakenings and the only gripe I have is a minor detail. In the Character Record/Heroic Record, every NPC has a listing for "Most Powerful Foe Killed" my PC has a blank space. Also, Game Completion reads 0%



Either this is one huge game that 5 hours of gaming doesn't cover 1% of the game or there is a little bug.



None of the above are game breakers of course, but just niggly cosmetic things that could be looked at.

Install ran great, Save game from Origins transferred cleanly, and no lags, smooth combat. So it looks as though all the breakage from 1.03 only occurs in the original game.

[Pandaman102]

Wicked 702 wrote...
To be fair, let's compare apples to apples. In order for a proper comparison, we'd have to compare native platforms. So we need to compare Square Enix games on a console (what they were designed for) to Bioware games for a PC (what THEY were designed for). But that's still not a 100% fair comparison because the numerous PC configurations out lend their own breed of bugs. So we have to eliminate those from consideration.

You're terribly mistaken about two things:

1) Japanese console games aren't bug free, they have just as many complaints as any PC game does and the only reason you don't know about it is because it's all in Japanese. Games like Final Fantasy are heavily patched before they're released in the foreign market, so this mythical perfection you're arguing about is built upon the suffering of Japanese consumers.

2) You can't compare console development to PC development, that truly is comparing apples to oranges. Console developers only have to worry about testing for three (at most) very standardized platforms: Xbox, Playstation, and Wii; PC developers have to test for combinations of hardware - AMD/Intel, single/duo/quad cores, nVidia/ATI, SoundBlaster/RealTek, etc. Edit: I'm rather confused by what you mean when you say "we have to eliminate those from consideration"; are you suggesting ignoring certain combinations of PC hardware to support an argument? I certainly hope not.

I appreciate that you don't want to lower your expectations but don't base them off wild fantasies if you want people to take you seriously.

Modifié par Pandaman102, 17 mars 2010 - 06:06 .

[habitat 67]

These complaints are pathetic.

[Feraele]

Oh my bad by the way I DID encounter one bug..to do with the Blood abilities from WK that were..according to what was recently stated by the Devs, supposed to port over. Well...they did kind of port over, you can see them in the skill lineup..you just can't use them.



Other than that, four hours in..no problems, cutscene with Oghren played out just fine, no locking up ..no crashes, no weird video bugs.



I'm on a PC ..which by the way is four years old, is not top of the line..etc. I keep my drivers updated where and when I can. I defrag every so often...I reboot every so often.



No problems here.

[KCFender]

The game isn't just buggy, but all around kind of technically unproficient. Long load times, now patched into spurts of lag. Bugs and glitches, coming and going and coming again with each patch. The game was supposed to be mod-friendly, but the toolkit released was half-finished at first, and a lot of the resource formatting makes mods very likely to conflict with each other.



BioWare has some creative talent that has rightfully earned them a lot of acclaim. But lately they don't seem to have the technical skills of the better developers. Dragon Age should run better than it does. Mass Effect seems to be a little better optimized, and Mass Effect 2 has some impressive graphics, without any major bugs, so hopefully that means BioWare has been hiring more skilled programmers as of late - but giving them to the Mass Effect team. Dragon Age is still a bit of a mess, and this latest patch and expansion (which I'm so glad to have delayed purchasing) continues to confirm my suspicions that Dragon Age is getting the shallower end of the programming talent pool.

[DABhand]

And yes ZELDA has no bugs!

Actually the Legend of Zelda on the NES had a pretty serious huge bug.

Wonder if anyone remembers what it is

[Beaner28]

camcon2100 wrote...

I have just about had it....

Good. Now GTFO.