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[Warkwright]

This expansion really doesnt match the hype, and at $39.99 usd, consumers have the right to complain imho. I think many people who put alot of stock into the name bioware for their history of excellent rpgs are really dissapointed.



My opinion is the days of of bg2 and etc. are over, these are new rpg games for a new breed. This is how they get there kicks. I consider that while I feel dissapointed in this product.





Back to the tabletop :S

[Blue_dodo]

hmmm as always we get several dozen dissapointment threads etc...alll of which I reply with









you are intittled to your opinion but do we really need another thread thats say the same exact thing over and over ? I mean we get it there are those who don't like the game but jebus...

[bambam11]

Blue_dodo wrote...

hmmm as always we get several dozen dissapointment threads etc...alll of which I reply with




you are intittled to your opinion but do we really need another thread thats say the same exact thing over and over ? I mean we get it there are those who don't like the game but jebus...

Maybe if we have enough they will say - Hey we get it we wont do it again, not for another few games down the road.

Just maybe. But some players are disapointed why should they not vent it out.

[Eurypterid]

Hezulkai wrote...

Haven't been able to play it because I can't get past meeting Ohgren in the keep in the starting area.  Reloaded, restarted, patched and always the same thing.  No mobs, no fight, Ohgren won't talk to me and I can't open the door.

Do you have any mods installed? I ran into the same thing, but found out it was because of the Innodil's Pocket Plane mod. Once I disabled that mod, the mobs spawned, I could talk to Oghren, and I had no more issues (so far).

Oh, and loading in as a tank without a weapon was also awesome.  I lost my DLC sword and had to steal my NPC ally's sword just to play.  Yay.

There really should be a warning about that when you start the game up or at least in the game manual (there's none in there as far as I can see). The DLC items do not transfer to Awakening, except the RtO items. This is by design (I don't know why though).

[Bryy_Miller]

Wicked 702 wrote...

VaillainRath wrote...

camcon2100 wrote...

I have just about had it.......I put faith in you only to be dissapointed. I give you 40 dollars you give an unfinished buggy piece of crap. Im sorry i have been loyal to you since BG2 but now im questioning you. This stuff is just sad and i know hard core bioware fans will slam me. I just need to put out my dissapointment in a company i loved. Ok let the bioware fanboy slamming begin................

I wont slam you but maybe you can explain why your done with buggy  games from bioware.  I mean the are EA owned and operated for the most part.  Every game period is buggy.  I mean there is a lot that goes into making game and even more when putting over a 100 hours of game play and its hard for the testers to find every bug expcially when its a RPG.  I mean what can you expect they do have a budget to work with and a time line on which finished product has to be out.  Thats why there is patches.  There games and all games are patched now a days so what so wrong that got your panties all up in a bunch.
:wizard::police::wizard::police:

This is a fallacy. Legend of Zelda series. Square Enix. All games virtually bug free.

Perfection is not unreasonable, it's a standard.

If perfection was a standard, do you know how much stuff would simply not get done? We'd only have about 5-6 movies, 3 books, and 1 video game tops.

The video game would be PONG.

[Eurypterid]

Oh, and people: most of the posts have been pretty reasonable so far, but there are a few that are just insults. Let's keep things civil. (To whoever said they're going to rub salt in people's wounds: no, you're not. If you continue down that path, we'll take your salt away. Savvy?)

[Feraele]

bambam11 wrote...

Blue_dodo wrote...

hmmm as always we get several dozen dissapointment threads etc...alll of which I reply with




you are intittled to your opinion but do we really need another thread thats say the same exact thing over and over ? I mean we get it there are those who don't like the game but jebus...

Maybe if we have enough they will say - Hey we get it we wont do it again, not for another few games down the road.

Just maybe. But some players are disapointed why should they not vent it out.

Is this a game forum or psychologist's couch? ^^    Constructive criticism works...for things that are actually wrong, bugged etc.

But then you state whats wrong. ie:  The blood abilities aren't working, I think they are bugged, I think we were told by the Devs that they would work after porting over.

That is a specific complaint.   That is something that exists and can be fixed.   Just repeating over and over that you don't like the expansion ..doesn't clue anyone in on whats wrong exactly.  

Got  a problem state it clearly, say what happens, where you saw it..etc.   

[Mordaedil]

Wicked 702 wrote...

Square Enix. All of their games are virtually bug free. Still think I'm wrong?

Yes.

Final Fantasy 1. There is a small glitch at a part early in the game where the enemies that spawn are much harder than usual and you can abuse this to level much faster than normal.

Final Fantasy 2. You can defeat the final boss, and by extension every enemy using two spells. A wall spell and toad. Toading the final boss is pretty damn epic.

Final Fantasy 3. If you have a knight dual-wield shields you are pretty much unhittable and you will defend your near-death team-mates, making the entire game a big joke.

Square games does not automatically mean bug-free, old or new.

[JigPig]

LMAO , I love troll threads.

"I'm done, this game is buggy"

"Buggy, list some bugs?"

"Nah man, look around the forums"

[Jax Sparrow]

Why are people still posting? The alleged troll hasn't been seen since the first page. moving on.

[Wicked 702]

Pandaman102 wrote...

Wicked 702 wrote...
To be fair, let's compare apples to apples. In order for a proper comparison, we'd have to compare native platforms. So we need to compare Square Enix games on a console (what they were designed for) to Bioware games for a PC (what THEY were designed for). But that's still not a 100% fair comparison because the numerous PC configurations out lend their own breed of bugs. So we have to eliminate those from consideration.

You're terribly mistaken about two things:

1) Japanese console games aren't bug free, they have just as many complaints as any PC game does and the only reason you don't know about it is because it's all in Japanese. Games like Final Fantasy are heavily patched before they're released in the foreign market, so this mythical perfection you're arguing about is built upon the suffering of Japanese consumers.

2) You can't compare console development to PC development, that truly is comparing apples to oranges. Console developers only have to worry about testing for three (at most) very standardized platforms: Xbox, Playstation, and Wii; PC developers have to test for combinations of hardware - AMD/Intel, single/duo/quad cores, nVidia/ATI, SoundBlaster/RealTek, etc. Edit: I'm rather confused by what you mean when you say "we have to eliminate those from consideration"; are you suggesting ignoring certain combinations of PC hardware to support an argument? I certainly hope not.

I appreciate that you don't want to lower your expectations but don't base them off wild fantasies if you want people to take you seriously.

To answer your #1. I did not say Japanese console makers I specifically mentioned Square Enix only (formerly Squaresoft) as my example. The problem is that I can neither disagree or agree with your assertion as the knowledge I have on the subject is strictly empirical. I have played every FF game (and tons of other Square games) that has come out, multiple times through each one, and I can only name one bug I ever encountered with FFIII (FFVI Japanese).

That's not to say that they don't exist, I may have just missed them even though I did EVERYTHING in those games. Someone immediately retorted with FFXII as a rebuttal to my argument earlier in this thread so I went ahead and googled FFXII bug and you know what I found? NOTHING! Just forum posts about people who thought they found bugs but turned out to be wrong. And yes, I went through a lot of them just to be sure. You may very well be correct that in general the Japanese console game makers force the Japanese community to test their games but I still put forth Square as an exception. I follow their games very closely and I have never heard of any major issues with any of their games.

That being said, their games are certainly not 100%, that much is clear. But one or two minor bugs that don't actually affect gameplay unless you choose to use them (like the item dupe in DA:O for consoles) is COMPLETELY different than a whole laundry list of bugs, many game breaking, that plague DA:O and apparently have been carried over to the expansion without any word or acknowledgment that Bioware even intends to do anything about them. Don't get me wrong either, I was on the side of the "just wait, they'll patch it side" for a long time. But now we're 4 months deep and neither console has received any bug fixes whatsoever. In fact, we've only received two patches that introduced new bugs and one in the middle to correct the bug that was introduced. So is that Bioware's new mantra, 2 steps back and 1 step forward? I, for one, think it's pathetic and I intend to voice my opinion both verbally and with my wallet.

On #2 briefly: I think we're actually arguing the same thing. Perhaps it was a misunderstanding. I was saying to "eliminate those from consideration" because hardware configuration bugs like crashes or graphical glitches caused by variances in individual computer construction would be comparing apples to oranges. But comparing bugs that occur irregardless of said variety is comparing apples to apples. In this way, I can compare a console game with a PC game because something like the "dex bug" is a coding problem and exists with all versions. Therefore, it is not a configuration issue, it's just shoddy programming. And that is apples to apples. (And please no one else start with the "they've fixed that bug business". I'm on a console and NO they have not. The patch release notes for 1.03 were copied from the PC version without forethought.)

[Wicked 702]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

If perfection was a standard, do you know how much stuff would simply not get done? We'd only have about 5-6 movies, 3 books, and 1 video game tops.

The video game would be PONG.

If I expect 100% and I get 95%, I may actually be satisfied with what I receive. But if I just accept that 100% is unreasonable and only ask for 90%, now I'm only going to get 85%. Since you'll always get a little less than you demand it's better to always set the bar high. Lowering your expectations means that over time the quality of all programs drops proportionally. Expecting perfection is just a form of bartering. I start high, they go low, and we meet in the middle. If you don't start high with your haggling, you are going to get less than you really want.

[Forteg]

If im honest im glad Bioware have made an expansion so soon, i have only recently began to bore of DAO and i would much much much (etc.) rather have Awakening that nothing at all until DA2, if that is true i believe they are just trying to keep us occupied with the DA theme so we wont lose interest fully before the next big DA game - even if the expansion may seem slightly 'rushed' it's better than nothing or more hour long DLC

Modifié par Forteg, 17 mars 2010 - 09:03 .

[Serenade]

I smell chicken in here.

[Wicked 702]

Mordaedil wrote...

Wicked 702 wrote...

Square Enix. All of their games are virtually bug free. Still think I'm wrong?

Yes.

Final Fantasy 1. There is a small glitch at a part early in the game where the enemies that spawn are much harder than usual and you can abuse this to level much faster than normal.

Final Fantasy 2. You can defeat the final boss, and by extension every enemy using two spells. A wall spell and toad. Toading the final boss is pretty damn epic.

Final Fantasy 3. If you have a knight dual-wield shields you are pretty much unhittable and you will defend your near-death team-mates, making the entire game a big joke.

Square games does not automatically mean bug-free, old or new.

Not going to disagree. Just going to point out a couple short things. FF2 and FF3 were never originally released in the US so either you are talking about an emulated version (which is an unfair comparison since they was done by some nerd in his basement), the Playstation Port, or you've played it in Japanese on a Famicom. If it's #1 then the argument has a problem but if it's #2 or #3 than I'm just asking for you to clarify as much.

The other thing is that most of those items mentioned are just gameplay tactics. Perhaps unintended ones but you haven't mentioned anything that prevents progress, crashes the game, makes you lose a save, etc. etc. If it seems like I am arguing semantics here I apologize but when I talk about bugs, I'm talking about issues that has the potential to forcefully render my game unplayable. To my knowledge, such a thing has NEVER existed in a Square game yet DA:O currently has more than a handful. Playing DA:O is like navigating a minefield in many instances. That's not acceptable in my book.

[Grim312]

If perfection was the standard there wouldnt be any Wal Marts nor would China be the next Super Power

[Moogliepie]

Wicked 702 wrote...

shep82 wrote...

Wicked 702 wrote...



This is a fallacy. Legend of Zelda series. Square Enix. All games virtually bug free.

Perfection is not unreasonable, it's a standard.

You are seriously saying that all Zelda games are bug free? And all other games as well?!! *dies laughing*

Do you have a reading comprehension problem? I put the all games virtually bug free after Square Enix, which is true. Zelda wasn't my example but someone else brought it up on a different thread so I'll condense this to my own point.

Square Enix. All of their games are virtually bug free. Still think I'm wrong?

Well, I was more referring the Shigeru Miyamoto. The original 8-bit LoZ had bugs, but I was more referring to later games, like Ocarina of Time and Twilight Princess which he refused to compromise on. I never claimed he made a 100% bug-free game,  but that he wasn't afraid to push back a release date to get as close to perfection as possible.

When you have EA controlling the purse things, game development goes to hell. ME2 and DA:O will be the last decent titles with the Bioware name on it. EA initially supports a couple flagship games when they take over a company, then just milk those titles for all they can with low-production-cost DLCs, expansions and crap sequels that offer only minor updates, until the franchise eventually dies. Quantity becomes prioritized over quality. That is what I am afraid of here. 

[dbkkk]

Eurypterid wrote...

Hezulkai wrote...

Haven't been able to play it because I can't get past meeting Ohgren in the keep in the starting area.  Reloaded, restarted, patched and always the same thing.  No mobs, no fight, Ohgren won't talk to me and I can't open the door.

Do you have any mods installed? I ran into the same thing, but found out it was because of the Innodil's Pocket Plane mod. Once I disabled that mod, the mobs spawned, I could talk to Oghren, and I had no more issues (so far).

So Innodil's Pocket Plane conflicts? Doh! Time to go take a stroll to dragon nexus and see what is up with that mod.

[Moogliepie]

Grim312 wrote...

If perfection was the standard there wouldnt be any Wal Marts nor would China be the next Super Power

When I buy a bottle of 18 year old Glenlivet, I don't expect it taste like Jack Daniels. Likewise, when I buy a game with the Bioware name, I don't expect Dragonshard. 

[Pandaman102]

Wicked 702 wrote...
To answer your #1. I did not say Japanese console makers I specifically mentioned Square Enix [...]

Ah, my bad, to address Square Enix's track record I just googled up "ファイナルファンタジー" (Final Fantasy) and "バグ" (bug) and found a few:

- FF8 had a bug in the third disc where controller input would no longer be recognized when you entered the party management screen; it would happen after clearing "Torabia Valley", during the timed event in "Sentra Ruins", and after selecting "return to entrance to try again" after failing the timed event. According to the blog the developers knew of the bug pre-release but apparently the conditions were rare enough that delaying the release wasn't deemed necessary. (from http://adgjm.net/game/ff8.htm)
- Graphics bug in FF6: , pretty minor and only happens if you do something specific (while in overland map press A, B, and X, then cancel something) but it's still something that would at least cause me to save and reboot.
-  In FF4 Advance there's a bug that can corrupt savegames if you try to perform an item action on a blank party slot when you have less than four characters in the party (from http://www.ffdq.com/ff4/bag.html)

There are more but honestly I'm not fluent enough in Japanese for this to be anything but a chore and I would rather use my free time to continue playing Awakening

Wicked 702 wrote...
On #2 briefly: I think we're actually arguing the same thing. Perhaps it was a misunderstanding. [...]

So you mean using gameplay mechanics bugs as a means of comparison? That is a lot more reasonable and I wouldn't argue against it; sorry about misunderstanding your position there, I interpreted your posts as being supportive of people who were ranting about how bad Bioware was because of bugs from hardware issues.

[Xelishiken]

The_Abyss wrote...

I dunno, bioware games have always been buggy from the get go in my experience with them. The same can be said for most PC games.

Which is why I never buy computer games the moment the come out.....unless its a Blizzard game, but that one isn't because they don't make buggy games.

Pfft. You obviously haven't played World of Warcraft then. There were constant bugs in their updated patches.

[Moogliepie]

The bugs in those games are generally minor, or only occur under a very specific set of circumstances which few are likely to encounter. The bugs in Awakenings are already numerous, blatant, and in your face (literally! look at the tatooo bug!) and game destroying (save corruptions). These aren't rare, they are happening all over the place.

[Moogliepie]

Xelishiken wrote...

The_Abyss wrote...

I dunno, bioware games have always been buggy from the get go in my experience with them. The same can be said for most PC games.

Which is why I never buy computer games the moment the come out.....unless its a Blizzard game, but that one isn't because they don't make buggy games.

Pfft. You obviously haven't played World of Warcraft then. There were constant bugs in their updated patches.

MMOs are perpetual works in progress. Apples and oranges.

[Masticetobbacco]

games eventually get patches, only IF no sequels or expansions are being planned, and if a game company only sees profit in making such patches. MMOs are always patches because they charge monthly. A single player RPG should receive VERY little patches



There is not a single game company in the world right now that actually gives a sh.it about their customers unless profit is being made.



just wait till DAO2, at least we can hope for some high quality stuff there