I disagree. It is different because Master Chief is a main character, they don't reveal his identity for several reasons. So people can relate to him(imagining they are him). Not knowing his face makes him mysterious and that may be part of the character, etc...Trenrade wrote...
They aren't going to remove her mask they are gonna do what bungie did with Master Chief never unmask.
So Tali.. well quarians... Humanoid?
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Maginipowfire wrote...
I disagree. It is different because Master Chief is a main character, they don't reveal his identity for several reasons. So people can relate to him(imagining they are him). Not knowing his face makes him mysterious and that may be part of the character, etc...Trenrade wrote...
They aren't going to remove her mask they are gonna do what bungie did with Master Chief never unmask.
In the books they make him take off his armor for a briefing... and then regret it because he's repulsive. His skin looks like a pale dead slug from being in the armor for years, he never takes it off. Master Chiefs armor isn't really designed to be lived in like he does
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In the spirit of thinking too hard about these things:
These are all guesses with a wee bit of aesthetics, a wee
bit in science and whole lot of rectal recovery:
Hair: Yes, but
probably not straight but more coarse/kinky as this might help with moving the
local equivalent of pollen and certain seeds even though it would be reasonable
to expect they would be part of the eat-move-poop method of seed distribution. So yes they could do the dreadlock thing but
for hygiene they would keep it cut short. Heck, there may be species of bat or
hummingbird analogs or some such to help with pollen distribution.
Ears: Probably
smaller rather than larger than human ears and not too dissimilar. No long elf ears or elephant ears or fleshy
leaves of cabbage looking things. While
the ears could be just shaped like just about anything, quarians are mostly
humanoid and “What passed for” seems to me to indicate “lesser/smaller than”
rather than “OMFG You could paddle a BOAT/put someone’s eye out with those
things!”
Eyes: Not sure about this one. Probably a little larger than they appear if proto-quarians
were active at night. On the one hand I would think internal illumination would
cause blindness unless quarian eye structure is RADICALLY different from a
human’s and would also indicate possible nocturnal or deep sea origins. On the other hand an active or vestigial tapetum
lucidum equivalent seems reasonable to explain the eye glow as HUD readouts in
the suit might provide enough light depending on the construction and position of
the eyes, enviro-suit mask construction, etc.
You could make a case for slit or round pupil depending on evolutionary
choices. I lean to slit pupil both for
aesthetics as well as for that the quarians may well be the closest thing to
cat people we see in ME. Tapetum lucidum FTW!
Nose: A little wider than
it appears for heat dissipation.
Skin: Tough enough to
turn a bronze knife, we don’t really know about the animal life on Rannoch and
excessive scrapes and cuts could lead to more down time with a relatively weaker
immune system. It might help with moisture
retention. Did I mention they would
likely have more efficient water retention and recovery and therefore drier
urine and feces?
Skin color? Could be quite a few things but green would not be unreasonable non-human color given the light, grass and plants on the Rayya.
Liz Sroka’s face would be totally appropriate to use as a
template, imo.
Think arid
Think Middle East/Africa.
Think Rihanna...but green like Star Trek Orion women.
These are all guesses with a wee bit of aesthetics, a wee
bit in science and whole lot of rectal recovery:
Hair: Yes, but
probably not straight but more coarse/kinky as this might help with moving the
local equivalent of pollen and certain seeds even though it would be reasonable
to expect they would be part of the eat-move-poop method of seed distribution. So yes they could do the dreadlock thing but
for hygiene they would keep it cut short. Heck, there may be species of bat or
hummingbird analogs or some such to help with pollen distribution.
Ears: Probably
smaller rather than larger than human ears and not too dissimilar. No long elf ears or elephant ears or fleshy
leaves of cabbage looking things. While
the ears could be just shaped like just about anything, quarians are mostly
humanoid and “What passed for” seems to me to indicate “lesser/smaller than”
rather than “OMFG You could paddle a BOAT/put someone’s eye out with those
things!”
Eyes: Not sure about this one. Probably a little larger than they appear if proto-quarians
were active at night. On the one hand I would think internal illumination would
cause blindness unless quarian eye structure is RADICALLY different from a
human’s and would also indicate possible nocturnal or deep sea origins. On the other hand an active or vestigial tapetum
lucidum equivalent seems reasonable to explain the eye glow as HUD readouts in
the suit might provide enough light depending on the construction and position of
the eyes, enviro-suit mask construction, etc.
You could make a case for slit or round pupil depending on evolutionary
choices. I lean to slit pupil both for
aesthetics as well as for that the quarians may well be the closest thing to
cat people we see in ME. Tapetum lucidum FTW!
Nose: A little wider than
it appears for heat dissipation.
Skin: Tough enough to
turn a bronze knife, we don’t really know about the animal life on Rannoch and
excessive scrapes and cuts could lead to more down time with a relatively weaker
immune system. It might help with moisture
retention. Did I mention they would
likely have more efficient water retention and recovery and therefore drier
urine and feces?
Skin color? Could be quite a few things but green would not be unreasonable non-human color given the light, grass and plants on the Rayya.
Liz Sroka’s face would be totally appropriate to use as a
template, imo.
Think arid
Think Middle East/Africa.
Think Rihanna...but green like Star Trek Orion women.
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If I was BioWare, I'd reveal her in a DLC pack costing $50. Tali fans are already insane; I don't see any problems.
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Lemonwizard wrote...
superimposed wrote...
Boob-shaped lumps are not Mammary Glands.Mallissin wrote...
Ray Joel Oh wrote...
Interesting factoid, all mammals have hair at some point in their lives. Whether that has any relevance in the Mass Effect universe is debatable, though. Maybe asari babies are fuzzy?
Asari aren't mammals. They're not from Earth, remember?
They sure do have nice mammary glands, though. Wooohoo!
Boob shaped lumps only present on females in a work of fiction made by humans are clearly intended to be mammary glands.
For all we know they can be eggsacks.
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Somehow I think they are gonna make Tali look like a cross between a human and those aliens from Avatar.
And I base this suggestion on absolutely nothing.
And I base this suggestion on absolutely nothing.
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Pannamaslo wrote...
Lemonwizard wrote...
superimposed wrote...
Boob-shaped lumps are not Mammary Glands.Mallissin wrote...
Ray Joel Oh wrote...
Interesting factoid, all mammals have hair at some point in their lives. Whether that has any relevance in the Mass Effect universe is debatable, though. Maybe asari babies are fuzzy?
Asari aren't mammals. They're not from Earth, remember?
They sure do have nice mammary glands, though. Wooohoo!
Boob shaped lumps only present on females in a work of fiction made by humans are clearly intended to be mammary glands.
For all we know they can be eggsacks.
I'm all for going as alien as possible... sofar BioWare has been very... hmm... conservative with its ideas (The Thorian was kinda cool) so eggsacks would be brilliant. But unlikely as Raan talks about actual birthing and stuff. Points more into conventional "like humans but with strange eyes"-alien rather than something more surprising.
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Terraneaux wrote...
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Nah, I think its stated somewhere that they have endoskeletons, skin toughness however...
They could have both. Bones *and* some sort of plating. Like Krogan. Except hotter and with DEM HIPS.
The Geth appear to have an additional layer of metal plating covering certain parts of their bodies. The Quarians might have the organic equivalent of this, like an armadillo's shell.
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`No hair` doesn't mean `not hot` - Jack pulls that look off pretty well.
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Does strike me as rather odd that if people see a human with only 3 fingers they cringe and wince (I know I have done), but if they see a humanoid alien (not a real one obviously) with 3 fingers, they're like...mmmm hawt.
A human with only three fingers is obviously deformed or has been maimed. You can still see the spaces for the other two fingers, only they are missing. With a quarian it is obvious that their three fingers are natural; their hand looks complete. I'm sure if you saw a quarian who'd had one of their fingers cut-off that it would look just as squicky.
Also quarians don't have beaks.
On the mission where you rescue the quarian survivor there is a skeleton near her. The skull that you can see is virtually identical to a human skull.
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And, you know, Tali makes out with Shepard, and he doesn't crie in agony. Also, you can hear them kissing, so yeah, quarians with beaks is a no-go.Shandepared wrote...
Also quarians don't have beaks.
On the mission where you rescue the quarian survivor there is a skeleton near her. The skull that you can see is virtually identical to a human skull.
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And, you know, Tali makes out with Shepard, and he doesn't crie in agony. Also, you can hear them kissing, so yeah, quarians with beaks is a no-go.Shandepared wrote...
Also quarians don't have beaks.
On the mission where you rescue the quarian survivor there is a skeleton near her. The skull that you can see is virtually identical to a human skull.
Could be fused beak-like dentition behind the lips... does it ever mention quarian teeth?
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Could be fused beak-like dentition behind the lips... does it ever mention quarian teeth?
I believe it does and in any case I have SEEN quarian teeth.
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Solomen052 wrote...
Could be fused beak-like dentition behind the lips... does it ever mention quarian teeth?
Yes, Mass Effect Ascension makes reference to a Quarian having had all of his teeth knocked out. The Quarian skeleton model in the game clearly has teeth, too.
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well then, thank god you arent bioware.TrueHD wrote...
If I was BioWare, I'd reveal her in a DLC pack costing $50. Tali fans are already insane; I don't see any problems.
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BioWare will not show Tali's face in ME3. Only good situation to show it, was the first time when she showed it to shepard. There is no more possible options to show her face in way that would be really exciting, so BW will have to keep her face hidden.
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BioWare will not show Tali's face in ME3. Only good situation to show it, was the first time when she showed it to shepard. There is no more possible options to show her face in way that would be really exciting, so BW will have to keep her face hidden.
Maybe if Legion lets Tali visit the homeworld?
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BioWare will not show Tali's face in ME3. Only good situation to show it, was the first time when she showed it to shepard. There is no more possible options to show her face in way that would be really exciting, so BW will have to keep her face hidden.
I think the most we will get is the silhouette of her entire head as she pulls down her hood or something. You know, her and Shepard standing against the sunset or something...
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TrueHD wrote...
If I was BioWare, I'd reveal her in a DLC pack costing $50. Tali fans are already insane; I don't see any problems.
Lol, now that is not a bad business idea at all!
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or theyshould toaly go for the pein lookand just take off her helmet thenstand it the shadows
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Maybe if Legion lets Tali visit the homeworld?
300 years of losing their weak immunity - need many years of bioengineering research to let them live there without suits.
Im almost certain that there will be no Tali's face shown in ME3. I also think that we will see face of some quarian (maybe dead - victim of experiments, murder, or just "want to take the suit off before death"), as their look is one of most interesting secrets.
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QUARIANS ARE NOT MAMMALS!!!
Sorry for the shouting, but it seriously annoys me. How could quarians be related to a group that evolved on Earth relatively recently? We'd share no common ancestor, so quarians would have an entirely different evolutionary path. Biologically, they may be similar, but that would be convergent evolution. They would belong to their own group.
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Sorry for the shouting, but it seriously annoys me. How could quarians be related to a group that evolved on Earth relatively recently? We'd share no common ancestor, so quarians would have an entirely different evolutionary path. Biologically, they may be similar, but that would be convergent evolution. They would belong to their own group.
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Jzadek72 wrote...
QUARIANS ARE NOT MAMMALS!!!
Sorry for the shouting, but it seriously annoys me. How could quarians be related to a group that evolved on Earth relatively recently? We'd share no common ancestor, so quarians would have an entirely different evolutionary path. Biologically, they may be similar, but that would be convergent evolution. They would belong to their own group.
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I understand and I feel your frustration. However I've given up trying to get people to try and understand this. Sometimes it is worth it to just appeal to the lowest common demoninator.
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Shandepared wrote...
Onyx Jaguar wrote...
Nah,
I think its stated somewhere that they have endoskeletons, skin
toughness however...
Maybe they have stronger bones.
That's what I always figured what grunt meant.
TrueHD wrote...
If I was BioWare, I'd reveal her in a DLC pack costing $50. Tali fans are already insane; I don't see any problems.
A-Ha! Your pricing ideology has betrayed your identity, Bobby Kotick!
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I'm thinking all we're going to have is speculation. Quarians' suits are so much a part of their image that to reveal what they look like underneath would ... what, take away from that? It'd be like taking the Imperial Stormtroopers of Star Wars and stripping away their armor. What's left?
That said, I don't see this is a problem. I love Tali as much as the next Tali fan, but it's not about the facial features.
I could see it happening after some sort of injury, though. Her mask being broken and revealing her face. Of course, that would be dangerous, so I'm sure that's not going to get a lot of votes.
As for their appearance, actual biology aside, my instinct tells me they have pale skin, maybe slick, somehow. A bit akin to Drell, leathery and somewhat hard. Far from Turians, probably somewhere between human and drell skin in terms of texture.
Also, even though this seems to contradict the basic outline we can see, I hope they have at least some similarities to the Geth. It wouldn't just make sense - nothing else would, in my opinion.
That said, I don't see this is a problem. I love Tali as much as the next Tali fan, but it's not about the facial features.
I could see it happening after some sort of injury, though. Her mask being broken and revealing her face. Of course, that would be dangerous, so I'm sure that's not going to get a lot of votes.
As for their appearance, actual biology aside, my instinct tells me they have pale skin, maybe slick, somehow. A bit akin to Drell, leathery and somewhat hard. Far from Turians, probably somewhere between human and drell skin in terms of texture.
Also, even though this seems to contradict the basic outline we can see, I hope they have at least some similarities to the Geth. It wouldn't just make sense - nothing else would, in my opinion.
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