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QUARIANS ARE NOT MAMMALS!!!

Sorry for the shouting, but it seriously annoys me. How could quarians be related to a group that evolved on Earth relatively recently? We'd share no common ancestor, so quarians would have an entirely different evolutionary path. Biologically, they may be similar, but that would be convergent evolution. They would belong to their own group.

[/end annoyed rant]

I think people may get confused because the codex refers to them as "mammal analogues" They're incrediblly similar to mammals aside from DNA chirality.

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I recall watching a video on the Mass Effect 2 site some time ago and Tali's trial was being held. The Quarians were depeicted out of their suits with Shepard suited. I don't know if anybody else saw that or not, but the look like green skinned humans. Bioware has since pulled the vid so I don't know if thier appearance will be revealed in ME3 or not.

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Well, they have a similarly shaped head, 2 arms, and 2 legs, so yeah.
But they have 3 fingers, 2 toes, and digitigrade legs, so not really. Unless your definition of humanoid is just the "2 arms 2 legs" idea.


Jzadek72 wrote...

QUARIANS ARE NOT MAMMALS!!! 

Sorry for the shouting, but it seriously annoys me. How could quarians be related to a group that evolved on Earth relatively recently? We'd share no common ancestor, so quarians would have an entirely different evolutionary path. Biologically, they may be similar, but that would be convergent evolution. They would belong to their own group.

Oh dear. You are stupid. Mammals are not strictly earth creatures.

Mammals are a class of vertebrate, air-breathing animals whose females are characterized by the possession of mammary glands while both males and females are characterized by sweat glands, hair and/or fur, three middle ear bones used in hearing, and a neocortex region in the brain.

Doesn't matter what planet or dimension they're from.

Modifié par Qwepir, 18 mars 2010 - 12:02 .


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knightnblu wrote...

I recall watching a video on the Mass Effect 2 site some time ago and Tali's trial was being held. The Quarians were depeicted out of their suits with Shepard suited. I don't know if anybody else saw that or not, but the look like green skinned humans. Bioware has since pulled the vid so I don't know if thier appearance will be revealed in ME3 or not.


Is there any reason that we should just take your word for it? I'm absolutely certain it would've been mirrored -somewhere- if this were true.

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Well, they have a similarly shaped head, 2 arms, and 2 legs, so yeah.
But they have 3 fingers, 2 toes, and digitigrade legs, so not really. Unless your definition of humanoid is just the "2 arms 2 legs" idea.

That is the definition
HUMANOID-
Adj- Being of the same shape or similar size to humans

So, basically, anything bipedal is humanoid.

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Qwepir wrote...

Well, they have a similarly shaped head, 2 arms, and 2 legs, so yeah.
But they have 3 fingers, 2 toes, and digitigrade legs, so not really.


No, their legs are not digitrade. Digitrade would mean that quarians walk on their tip-toes, however it is clear that they walk on the soles of their feet. Easy to make that mistake though since for some reason in both games Tali insists on standing on her tip-toes on the character select screen.


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Doesn't matter what planet or dimension they're from.


No, it doesn't necessarilly matter. However nature does not need to conform to our classifications. There is on reason for example that on an alien world something covered in scales couldn't give birth to live young and then nurse them. classifying aliens can get tricky since they might mostly fit on genus (or is it phylum? Whatever, someone correct me) but still have aspects that fit somewehre else, or that don't even resemble anything found on Earth.

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Schroing wrote...

knightnblu wrote...

I recall watching a video on the Mass Effect 2 site some time ago and Tali's trial was being held. The Quarians were depeicted out of their suits with Shepard suited. I don't know if anybody else saw that or not, but the look like green skinned humans. Bioware has since pulled the vid so I don't know if thier appearance will be revealed in ME3 or not.


Is there any reason that we should just take your word for it? I'm absolutely certain it would've been mirrored -somewhere- if this were true.


Yeah, this seems rather unlikely.  That said, if the devs didn't want to go with
the middle eastern/african color scheme as being too close to human, various shades of green
would work a lot better than gray, imo given the coloring of the light, grass and other plants in the courtyard on the Rayya. 


Worked for the Orion women in Star Trek, yes?

Modifié par GOYAFIDO, 18 mars 2010 - 02:37 .


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Quarians are mammals >>> hooray for boobies!

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Quarians are whatever the Original Designer(s) of the Species wants them to be.

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Jzadek72 wrote...

QUARIANS ARE NOT MAMMALS!!!

Sorry for the shouting, but it seriously annoys me. How could quarians be related to a group that evolved on Earth relatively recently? We'd share no common ancestor, so quarians would have an entirely different evolutionary path. Biologically, they may be similar, but that would be convergent evolution. They would belong to their own group.

[/end annoyed rant]

It's really a narrative convenience thing, I think. It's simply easier to refer to the quarians as mammals (or the salarians as amphibians, or the rachni as insects, or the raloi as avian), with the implicit understanding they're not actually those things in a taxonomic sense, than to explicitly spell that last part out.

Also, mammals aren't that recent. They evolved in the Triassic, iirc, around the same time as dinosaurs I think.

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dreman9999 wrote...

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Oh.....god. :sick:

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Oh.....god. :sick:


Don't be so prejudiced. I think it's beautiful that two different people, no matter their species, can love each other like that.

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Jamelo wrote...

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Not getting to get into an argument because Tali fans will just get pissed because it's not like they picture it. I think Bioware should just not show her since if they do there will be a ****storm.


This...kind off. I'd like to see what Quarians look like out of general curiousity, but it can't be denied that no matter WHAT Bioware does, people are gonna be miffed that Tali doesn't look exactly like what they pictured.

Me? I'm expecting something similar to The Grays, but designed to be more...attractive, whatwith the love interest and all.

So basically an attractive looking Asgard from Stargate SG-1. That's what I'm expecting. Doubtful on hair.

This goes for every single thing in any video game..should we never reveal anything because some people aren't going to like it?


No, in this case it's because of just how super hyped-up it is. Whether people like it or not likely won't affect sales. I'm speaking purely from a fan's perspective.

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Shandepared wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Oh.....god. :sick:


Don't be so prejudiced. I think it's beautiful that two different people, no matter their species, can love each other like that.


You're right. Thank you for enlightening me. I've been such a fool.

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Terraneaux wrote...

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Grunt mentioned that Quarians were 'not so soft' (as compared to humans and asari). Maybe they have some sort of exoskeleton.


Possibly referring to their Suits. /shrug, I didn't talk to Grunt much, was mainly Mordin and Legion.


I figure the Quarians *had* to have something about them that made them tough, otherwise Grunt would have mentioned something about their immune systems making them weak.

It's the suits. Remeber , he was talking about instantly killing things and If you see a quarian out side their suit, their dead so you would never both to kill so thing thats dieing.

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theriddlen wrote...

Maybe if Legion lets Tali visit the homeworld?


300 years of losing their weak immunity - need many years of bioengineering research to let them live there without suits.

I was thinking that last night replaying the Tali loyalty mission,
everytime the Quarians made comments about longing to walk about on their
homeworld sans suit. As if the Geth wouldn't have fiddled with the planet at all, or the Quarians themselves having lost much of their natural immunities after generations being born in space.
I'd like to think they'd include the Tali reveal in Mass Effect 3, but I'm struggling to find a scenario for it, when we've already been on the Flotilla and in didn't happen in the Tali love scene, and so far after 2 games, LIs don't seem to persist in following titles in that capacity.

So if Quarians are not digitigrade, then what is the deal with their odd legs? Can't imagine their knees are terribly pretty.

Modifié par All-a-Mort, 18 mars 2010 - 07:24 .


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I never romanced Tali, the whole little sister vibe, but I like the character a ton. I was really hoping she would be in ME2 and was very happy when I found out she'd be a squadmate. But I have to admit the Dev's should have just shown her face. I know, the whole mystery thing would go away, but it would also end all this "How does Tali look" conversation that...will...not...end.

On the other hand, I could see the Bioware creators having a good laugh about the situation. I wouldn't be surprised if they do the same thing in ME3. Have scenes with Tali without her mask on but you can never see her face.

Otherwise, other then the feet, hands and purple skin - I'm thinking the rest of their body is very human looking.

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Otherwise, other then the feet, hands and purple skin - I'm thinking the rest of their body is very human looking.

Wat.

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Here's an eyebrow pic:
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Although, supposedly the placeholder face has no texture, so that may be an accident of lighting. 


Wow! What resolution are you playing at? I can even see an lower eyelid and eyelashes here. I don't get anything like that in my game.

Modifié par Suilebhain, 18 mars 2010 - 07:35 .


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Someone said that quarians are human-like. Not sure about that. They have backwards knees, like cats and birds, and only three fingers/toes.

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Some Geth units, especially the aptly named Hopper, do remind one of tree frogs...so if the devs chose to go with green or gray for example, as non-human skin colors, just add a bit of vestigial night vision, not much by way of ears and no hair and we would be good to go...and they wouldn't need to look anything like Drell.



Ribbit...;)

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Suilebhain wrote...

Someone said that quarians are human-like. Not sure about that. They have backwards knees, like cats and birds, and only three fingers/toes.


They do not have backwards knees and they are not digitrade. What they have is curved shins.

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I'm surprised that no one ever seems to point out how it looks like there is a VERY human-like reflection of Tali's chin, and maybe part of her lips. Look in the upper left corner of the inside of her mask in this pic.

Looks like a reflection of the bottom of her face to me..... Maybe this will finally put a stop to all the speculation of ridiculous mandible's and such..

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Shandepared wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Oh.....god. :sick:


Don't be so prejudiced. I think it's beautiful that two different people, no matter their species, can love each other like that.


That alien was probably molested as a child.  That or it's there for the coke.