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[Pinkflamingo22]

I am currently at about 75% paragon. I want to do the paragon choice during the Miranda/Jack fight. Heres the problem, All I have left to do is get Samara, do her loyalty mission and Jacks loyalty mission (this doesn't count side quests, I have mostly all of those left to complete)

I heard I need 100% paragon to use the paragon choice. Can I make it?

Modifié par Pinkflamingo22, 18 mars 2010 - 09:57 .

[mcsupersport]

Quick question, did you choose the class level that gives +100% bonus to paragon/renegade or did you choose the option that keeps it at +70 but gives another bonus like damage bonus???



If you choose the +70% option, then relevel your character to the other and do the missions and you should be fine. IF you already have the +100% bonus then you probably went too renegade, and I don't think there are enough paragon points in those two missions to do it.



As a side note, unless you take an unloyal Miranda to the final boss, she just about can't die in suicide mission. So unless you are trying to romance her, choose Jack in the fight, and take someone other than Miranda to the boss.

[longtimecoming00]

Which class specialization did you get? (Ex. Soldiers can become either Commandos or Shock Troopers.) I ask this because one class always gives 75% bonus to morality, while the other one receives 100% bonus. If you have the 75% one, changing it to the other class via the talent research upgrade in the research lab just might give you what you need.

[nikki191]

doesnt sound possible with only 2 missions to go. my only suggestion would be for your next play through, put points into your base skill, that always gives you a bonus to paragon/renegade

[Onyx Jaguar]

You can do it without 100% paragon, what level are you at?

[Pinkflamingo22]

I'm level 30 on NG+. My youngerf brother is having the same problem and I fear it may be a glitch...

[Pinkflamingo22]

I'm Infiltrator and I picked agent as well

[Onyx Jaguar]

Its glitched, no way to get past that fight unless they patched it recently (I've had this problem on NG+ and on none of my other playthroughs at 100% Paragon )

Modifié par Onyx Jaguar, 17 mars 2010 - 03:39 .

[Landline]

You won't be able to get it up high enough without cheating with the amount of time you have left.



The funny thing is, if that was renegade you'd probably have enough.

[Pinkflamingo22]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Its glitched, no way to get past that fight unless they patched it recently (I've had this problem on NG+ and on none of my other playthroughs at 100% Paragon )

Are you sure? This is my final best shepard and I'm going to be sooooooo pissed if I have to wait for a patch that may not even happen. It's such a crucial part of the game!

[Ecael]

Pinkflamingo22 wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Its glitched, no way to get past that fight unless they patched it recently (I've had this problem on NG+ and on none of my other playthroughs at 100% Paragon )

Are you sure? This is my final best shepard and I'm going to be sooooooo pissed if I have to wait for a patch that may not even happen. It's such a crucial part of the game!

I'm losing count of how many times I've posted this...

Kim Stolz (BioWare) recently revealed the secret behind Paragon and Renegade in one of the technical support forums. The game basically keeps its own hidden bar of the maximum amount of Paragon or Renegade you can get every time you enter an area. It then takes a percentage of that hidden bar to calculate how much you need at that moment to pass the check. The more times you miss a possible place to get Paragon or Renegade, the more checks you eventually fail. The more checks you fail, the more you miss getting Paragon or Renegade. It's a snowball effect.

To simplify: The game keeps track of all of your missed opportunities in getting Paragon or Renegade in every single area. If you start falling behind, you will most likely never catch up. You HAVE to continuously act Paragon OR Renegade. This becomes much easier if you start out with a Paragon/Renegade import bonus from ME1, specialize in your class skill that gives +100% Paragon/Renegade instead of +70%, or wear Negotiation bonus armor (only in missions where you're not in casual attire).

In addition, the ship arguments have different percentages. Miranda/Jack is easier to resolve with Renegade and Tali/Legion is easier to resolve with Paragon. That import bonus provides a safety net in case you miss some opportunities. Doing the mission earlier can be slightly in your favor only because you haven't missed as many opportunities yet.

In short, New Game+ sucks. You start with no Paragon/Renegade whatsoever.

[Pinkflamingo22]

******, just ******

[yummysoap]

Dude it's either hit and miss from here. I've played Sheps that can do the persuade at 75% and Sheps that can't do the persuade at 100%. All you can do is hope to be lucky.

[Pinkflamingo22]

bump



Any other help? is it for sure a glitch? Is it because i missed too many paragon choices?

[enormousmoonboots]

I've heard that respeccing your powers into the opposite passive bonus can help you convince Jack/Miranda if you couldn't during the confrontation. Something to do with resetting the P/R score, I believe. Otherwise, yep, Ecael's got it. You need to be hardcore Paragon or hardcore Renegade to settle these big disputes. Play middle-of-the-line and you're gonna lose someone.



You get like +30 Paragon for saving Samara in her LM. Dancing with the asari, helping the dancer, and saving the informant also nets you some more Paragon, if I'm not mistaken. If you still can't manage it after that, lose Miranda's loyalty. She's more likely to survive the suicide mission.

[Cerpintine]

Ecael wrote...
I'm losing count of how many times I've posted this...

Kim Stolz (BioWare) recently revealed the secret behind Paragon and Renegade in one of the technical support forums. The game basically keeps its own hidden bar of the maximum amount of Paragon or Renegade you can get every time you enter an area. It then takes a percentage of that hidden bar to calculate how much you need at that moment to pass the check. The more times you miss a possible place to get Paragon or Renegade, the more checks you eventually fail. The more checks you fail, the more you miss getting Paragon or Renegade. It's a snowball effect.

To simplify: The game keeps track of all of your missed opportunities in getting Paragon or Renegade in every single area. If you start falling behind, you will most likely never catch up. You HAVE to continuously act Paragon OR Renegade. This becomes much easier if you start out with a Paragon/Renegade import bonus from ME1, specialize in your class skill that gives +100% Paragon/Renegade instead of +70%, or wear Negotiation bonus armor (only in missions where you're not in casual attire).

In addition, the ship arguments have different percentages. Miranda/Jack is easier to resolve with Renegade and Tali/Legion is easier to resolve with Paragon. That import bonus provides a safety net in case you miss some opportunities. Doing the mission earlier can be slightly in your favor only because you haven't missed as many opportunities yet.

In short, New Game+ sucks. You start with no Paragon/Renegade whatsoever.

^^^

This.

I actually encountered this part late in my second playthrough (besides Jack's loyalty mission, I only had Thane to recruit).  Now here I was doing renegade, but my renegade was about 65-70%ish and my paragon was about 35-40%--I still got the renegade option.  My first playthrough I think my paragon was like 80-90-ish and I got that paragon option.

In the same way, with Tali and Legion my renegade was about 95% and paragon was 45ish--I still got the paragon option.


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Really?  New game+ Paragon/Renegade gets reset?

Modifié par Cerpintine, 17 mars 2010 - 11:59 .

[SmokePants]

According to what Ecael posted, it sounds like you're screwed. You should have a full Paragon meter by that point. 75% sounds like you passed up on opportunities too often and you've probably fallen too far behind the curve.

[Cerpintine]

SmokePants wrote...

According to what Ecael posted, it sounds like you're screwed. You should have a full Paragon meter by that point. 75% sounds like you passed up on opportunities too often and you've probably fallen too far behind the curve.

If you read my post above yours about my encounter w/ Tali and Legion, I was actually suprised I didn't have the renegade option at all, considering those %s

[inversevideo]

It's for sure glitched, but here is the thing, it does not impact everyone.
I can never resolve the Jack/Miranda fight using Paragon, and that is even with a sliver less than 100%. But other people report getting it done with 70%.

So if you have the glitch, the only way to resolve their beef is to go Renegade, or Renegon.
I've been able to resolve the issue wtih about 70 - 75% Renegade.

Only once had an issue with Tali and Legion, but I always seem to get pwned by Morinth, (not sure how high your values have to be for the Morinth fight).

Good luck, it is possible that your game, or this play through is not impacted by the glitch.

One thing to keep in mind, I think you get about 17 Renegade points, or 17 Paragon points, depending on your choices during Jacks mission. So that might be enough, to put you over the top, if you are close now.

Modifié par inversevideo, 18 mars 2010 - 12:26 .

[Schroing]

Are people seriously not even reading the thread? We haven't even moved past the first page.

[Ecael]

Schroing wrote...

Are people seriously not even reading the thread? We haven't even moved past the first page.

Probably not. I guess it's better for some people who are replying to just assume that it's a glitch when the system is just more complicated than it appears to be.

Just like how every Krogan problem is assumed to be caused by the genophage.

Modifié par Ecael, 18 mars 2010 - 12:58 .

[Commander_David]

to my knowledge you cant get 100% paragon or renegade without a ME 1 file.. my advice is to make 4 Master files for Mass effect 1 to use on 2



1 Paragon Female and 1 Paragon Male and likewise for Renegades.. also make the files 100% complete do every sidequest etc to give a fuller ME 2 experience.. otherwise your gonna be like me and miss out on the Conrad scene.

[inversevideo]

Ecael wrote...

I'm losing count of how many times I've posted this...

Kim Stolz (BioWare) recently revealed the secret behind Paragon and Renegade in one of the technical support forums. The game basically keeps its own hidden bar of the maximum amount of Paragon or Renegade you can get every time you enter an area. It then takes a percentage of that hidden bar to calculate how much you need at that moment to pass the check. The more times you miss a possible place to get Paragon or Renegade, the more checks you eventually fail. The more checks you fail, the more you miss getting Paragon or Renegade. It's a snowball effect.

To simplify: The game keeps track of all of your missed opportunities in getting Paragon or Renegade in every single area. If you start falling behind, you will most likely never catch up. You HAVE to continuously act Paragon OR Renegade. This becomes much easier if you start out with a Paragon/Renegade import bonus from ME1, specialize in your class skill that gives +100% Paragon/Renegade instead of +70%, or wear Negotiation bonus armor (only in missions where you're not in casual attire).

In addition, the ship arguments have different percentages. Miranda/Jack is easier to resolve with Renegade and Tali/Legion is easier to resolve with Paragon. That import bonus provides a safety net in case you miss some opportunities. Doing the mission earlier can be slightly in your favor only because you haven't missed as many opportunities yet.

In short, New Game+ sucks. You start with no Paragon/Renegade whatsoever.

WTH? That is the most convoluted and artificial scheme I have seen in a long time.

So, if I choose not to stop Garrus from shooting that a-hole Harkin, who just spent several minutes trying to kill me, or I choose not to punch out an annoying reporter, b/c I would rather rake her over the coals verbally (which is also a Renegade option), I lose points?

So let me get this straight, I am penalized, for choosing to role play Shepard, the way I want to role play Shepard?

I have to always take a Paragon action, even if that action is wrong? Or take a Renegade action, even if it is just plain ignorant?  

All I can say, regarding this feature, is EPIC FAIL.

Modifié par inversevideo, 18 mars 2010 - 05:23 .