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[easternswordman]

Marta Rio wrote...

Interesting...I would have expected ME2 to be higher on the charts given the very positive reviews, but there you go.

I've talked to a few friends who love MW2 but dislike ME2, and they claim it's because ME2 has too much talking and the shooting/action aspects (improved as they are) still are not the same quality as games like MW2. For the most part I agree with that assessment; ME2 is a great action-RPG, but not the best if all you're craving is shooting with very little dialogue. I'd assume that this is the reason why it's not selling as well as one might expect given the reviews; there are just fewer gamers out there that value good dialogue and pauses in the action...

That being said, Heavy Rain is pretty darn high on the charts, and that's pretty much shooting-free. Maybe it's the novelty of the gameplay? (Also it was released a month after ME2, so it's maybe not fair to compare the two at this point).

From your friends' experience, it seems like ME2's "natural audience" range is narrower than that of a shooter's.

First you need to at least be able to play a shooter to like ME. If you can't even play a shooter, I can't imagine you can pick up ME either. My friend is just one of few exceptions maybe.

Then you need to enjoy RPG elements such as dialogue and equipment. Within the range of shooter fans, maybe there's only 1 out of 5 that qualifies.

No wander ME only sells one fifth as many as Halo 3.

[Tazzmission]

every game has a big fanbase. for today god of war 3 came out and i admit i love it for what it is. i just think shooter fans ( the hardcore ones) need to at least devote the time to see what me is about. i admit they do have long cut scenes but on first play always watch it and listen. now i admit i just beat me2 for my 10th time and i skip it because i know what to do

[easternswordman]

Tazzmission wrote...

Chaoswind wrote...

Bob5312 wrote...

Well, it's not really the kind of game you can just pick up, play for half an hour, kill other living beings until you feel warm and fuzzy, and then go play with your kids/friends/dogs. It's got no multiplayer, so it's not a party game.

It's an excellent game, but it's one that requires a lot of involvement from the player, and there are lengthy sections that don't involve any combat. It's just not the kind of game that some people are looking for. It's a game targeted at a niche audience: people that like both RPGs (or games with a heavy focus on plot and character development) and shooters.

They've cornered the market, but the market is relatively small.

Edit: Chaoswind, I'll disagree with you as I loathe multiplayer games with a passion so fierce it forms the basis of my reputation at work (or so I'm told).  But, if you want a co-op mode in ME2, I suggest that you be the one to play as Garrus and sit idle for a couple of hours while Shepard talks to people and upgrades his kit.

That wouldn't be a good Co-op mode would it?

Again. Co-op beats single player any day of the week, IF Co-op is good.

However, to make a game like ME Co-op compatible some REAL changes have to be made first, and I don't think that would be good... keep ME3 as a single player goldmine, but EA is bound to try something for ME4

i love mass effect and would love for more games but keep it the way it is and ill only by it if bioware writes it. if ea were to give me to another franchise i wouldnt go past the 3rd shep game

I think the only way to make online co-op is on per-mission base. At the start of a mission people are added into a game and after the end of the mission the game breaks off so do teammates. Then you need to join a new group for the next mission. To develop and balance the system, the company needs to spend like a year more on that so hopefully this won't come for the trilogy.

[Tazzmission]

easternswordman wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

Chaoswind wrote...

Bob5312 wrote...

Well, it's not really the kind of game you can just pick up, play for half an hour, kill other living beings until you feel warm and fuzzy, and then go play with your kids/friends/dogs. It's got no multiplayer, so it's not a party game.

It's an excellent game, but it's one that requires a lot of involvement from the player, and there are lengthy sections that don't involve any combat. It's just not the kind of game that some people are looking for. It's a game targeted at a niche audience: people that like both RPGs (or games with a heavy focus on plot and character development) and shooters.

They've cornered the market, but the market is relatively small.

Edit: Chaoswind, I'll disagree with you as I loathe multiplayer games with a passion so fierce it forms the basis of my reputation at work (or so I'm told).  But, if you want a co-op mode in ME2, I suggest that you be the one to play as Garrus and sit idle for a couple of hours while Shepard talks to people and upgrades his kit.

That wouldn't be a good Co-op mode would it?

Again. Co-op beats single player any day of the week, IF Co-op is good.

However, to make a game like ME Co-op compatible some REAL changes have to be made first, and I don't think that would be good... keep ME3 as a single player goldmine, but EA is bound to try something for ME4

i love mass effect and would love for more games but keep it the way it is and ill only by it if bioware writes it. if ea were to give me to another franchise i wouldnt go past the 3rd shep game

I think the only way to make online co-op is on per-mission base. At the start of a mission people are added into a game and after the end of the mission the game breaks off so do teammates. Then you need to join a new group for the next mission. To develop and balance the system, the company needs to spend like a year more on that so hopefully this won't come for the trilogy.

or instead of just having ai squadmates have 2 friends join in as those charchters. now that would be cool because it would fix alot of ai bugs i had with guys like legion and jacob

[easternswordman]

Tazzmission wrote...

every game has a big fanbase. for today god of war 3 came out and i admit i love it for what it is. i just think shooter fans ( the hardcore ones) need to at least devote the time to see what me is about. i admit they do have long cut scenes but on first play always watch it and listen. now i admit i just beat me2 for my 10th time and i skip it because i know what to do

I guess the dialogue just isn't for everyone. Some people just can't accept it no matter how good it is. It's like some people just can't read a book, because they don't enjoy it. For a lot of shooter fans, their gaming philosophy is strictly action, action, and action. That's what they enjoy doing and if anything comes in between for too long they'll abhor it.


ps. i envy you having a PS3. Always wanted to play Uncharted 2.

Modifié par easternswordman, 17 mars 2010 - 05:44 .

[zman2100]

I highly doubt Bioware will add coop to ME3 (at least I hope they wont). If that's something they want to try then go for it with whatever comes after ME3 but the trilogy should definitely remain a unique single player experience.

[Hulk Hsieh]

I think there might be something called "4M curse" that Bioware games always get good reviews but have difficultied to sell more than 4 million copies, no matter what the gameplay or the settings are.



They should really do some serious research on this.

[Chaoswind]

Let me explain you Why Multiplayer games sell so much



Guy A has Multiplayer game A, and invites his friends C, D and E to play (B is a douche)

C, D and E play the game and after a couple of hours playing they think the game is awesome... but there is a Problem A, is the only one that owns the game, and that bastard has the advantage of playing the game when C, D and E can't and as such in most matches A is the winner.



Out of Spite and the desire of Revenge C and D decide to ask A to lend them the game so they can play a little at their homes (they just want to train), Naturally A refuces or lends the game to either one of them, but guess what E was doing? he was buying the game and secretly training in his damp basement.



On the next lan party, A and E are dominating and C is doing well (because he had time to train) but D is getting thrashed... as a result and because he feels humiliated D decides to buy the game and train at home...



and that is why Multiplayers always do a gazillion times better than single players... IF the multiplayer/Co-op is good and enjoyable the game is bound to spread, and that is something perfect scores in all the magazines can't do.

[incinerator950]

Don't forget fanbase size, like why FF13 is doing so well, because the FF series has one of the largest sh...fanbase groups next to Mario and Halo.

[Tazzmission]

zman2100 wrote...

I highly doubt Bioware will add coop to ME3 (at least I hope they wont). If that's something they want to try then go for it with whatever comes after ME3 but the trilogy should definitely remain a unique single player experience.

exactly. if co cop was to be in me introduce it after me3

[phordicus]

multiplayer. end of discussion.

[yoomazir]

are you saying that ME2 is selling less than ME? maybe it is because....the game has failed to deliver in many aspects?

Modifié par yoomazir, 17 mars 2010 - 06:15 .

[Starbuxaddict]

Don't be naive about it- Despite how amazing a game such as this or the first Mass Effect was, it will *never* be able to compete with a goliath like Modern Warfare.



Now, as for the first Mass Effect, I introduced it to some friends with mixed results. The one complaint I got was that pausing to unleash powers was a drag. A real buzz-kill. Most stopped after Eden Prime due to the combat in general. Now that Mass Effect 2 has implemented fluid combat though, some are willing to go back to the franchise, if only for the second one.



Now I've seen it work the other way too, I have a friend who picked up Mass Effect before the new one came out, and fell in love with it. I also have a few friends who were convinced by me and reviews to go get the new one, and some have decided to get the first and try their hand at getting into the universe and making their own decisions. It's cool to see this happen, to say the least.



However, when you break it down, all the major sellers are multiplayer shooters. Gaming has truly expanded to the point where anyone can get into it, though most will not do more then wade in the water and play around with some shooters. Even some of the more popular RPG's, like Fable, are now co-op and more diluted.



In some regards Mass Effect 2 had more diluted RPG elements then the first one, when it came to levelling up and inventory. This, and the implantation of the new combat system are in large part factors that have lead to an increased interest in Mass Effect by new users. Another point that someone else brought up is that there still are stereotypes and biased opinions by many people regarding sci-fi and RPG's which impede on the success, commercially, of Mass Effect. Either way though Bioware has done an excellent job selling this game to new comers, and their efforts are clearly paying off.

[incinerator950]

yoomazir wrote...

are you saying that ME2 is selling less than ME? maybe it is because....the game has failed to deliver in many aspects?

It didn't fail

[Keithhy]

Gears of War and Call of Duty sell well because 90% of the population consists entirely of robots, with no interest in story or background. They just want dumbed down, fun, multiplayer action. While this isn't necessarily a bad thing, it's kind of unnerving to see that most people don't care about anything BUT violence in their video games.

[baller7345]

yoomazir wrote...

are you saying that ME2 is selling less than ME? maybe it is because....the game has failed to deliver in many aspects?

I'm pretty sure that ME2 is saling much better than the original. 

[Tazzmission]

Keithhy wrote...

Gears of War and Call of Duty sell well because 90% of the population consists entirely of robots, with no interest in story or background. They just want dumbed down, fun, multiplayer action. While this isn't necessarily a bad thing, it's kind of unnerving to see that most people don't care about anything BUT violence in their video games.

it really isnt the violence but todays games are all about multi player that has a single campaighn that lasts what 9 10 hours? the first call of duty modern warfare was 10 hours for campaihn and the rest was for online. look at gears of war great game indeed but i dont think it sell as it did if it want for the multi player

[easternswordman]

yoomazir wrote...

are you saying that ME2 is selling less than ME? maybe it is because....the game has failed to deliver in many aspects?

Nope, ME2 is selling better. The stats showed it sold 1.55m in its first 6 weeks (until Mar. 6) from launch, and ME1 sold 1.08 in its first 6 weeks.

[zman2100]

Tazzmission wrote...


it really isnt the violence but todays games are all about multi player that has a single campaighn that lasts what 9 10 hours? the first call of duty modern warfare was 10 hours for campaihn and the rest was for online. look at gears of war great game indeed but i dont think it sell as it did if it want for the multi player

I know people who get a game like Modern Warfare and don't even play through the campaign. There are people who honestly could care less about playing a single player mode and go straight to the multiplayer. People like that probably don't even know that you can get a good multiplayer-only game like Battlefield: 1943 for only $15 compared to the $60 you'll drop on a game like MW2.

[Tazzmission]

zman2100 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...


it really isnt the violence but todays games are all about multi player that has a single campaighn that lasts what 9 10 hours? the first call of duty modern warfare was 10 hours for campaihn and the rest was for online. look at gears of war great game indeed but i dont think it sell as it did if it want for the multi player

I know people who get a game like Modern Warfare and don't even play through the campaign. There are people who honestly could care less about playing a single player mode and go straight to the multiplayer. People like that probably don't even know that you can get a good multiplayer-only game like Battlefield: 1943 for only $15 compared to the $60 you'll drop on a game like MW2.

thats why i believe the me franshice eats and ****s games out like gears and cod because mass effect is a story with you the player calling the shots. to me thats a great game and i know alot of people were disapointed with me2 but i loved it because it beats another shooter out on the market

[Hulk Hsieh]

Fallout 3 doesn't need multiplayer to make it sell better than 5M.

[easternswordman]

Chaoswind wrote...

Let me explain you Why Multiplayer games sell so much

Guy A has Multiplayer game A, and invites his friends C, D and E to play (B is a douche)
C, D and E play the game and after a couple of hours playing they think the game is awesome... but there is a Problem A, is the only one that owns the game, and that bastard has the advantage of playing the game when C, D and E can't and as such in most matches A is the winner.

Out of Spite and the desire of Revenge C and D decide to ask A to lend them the game so they can play a little at their homes (they just want to train), Naturally A refuces or lends the game to either one of them, but guess what E was doing? he was buying the game and secretly training in his damp basement.

On the next lan party, A and E are dominating and C is doing well (because he had time to train) but D is getting thrashed... as a result and because he feels humiliated D decides to buy the game and train at home...

and that is why Multiplayers always do a gazillion times better than single players... IF the multiplayer/Co-op is good and enjoyable the game is bound to spread, and that is something perfect scores in all the magazines can't do.

Competitive nature. Good point. Unfortunately we can't compare who's a better talker in Mass Effect universe.

[Tazzmission]

Hulk Hsieh wrote...

Fallout 3 doesn't need multiplayer to make it sell better than 5M.

i never played fallout so i cant judge. but when people demand **** like multiplayer to a game  it depends on the game.. hell i love grand theft auto but truthfully i hated the multiplayer on it. to me as a player of gta i dont think co cop or multi fits but thats just me talking. i see alot of people say oh lets introduce it for me but i think that would be many steps backwards

[easternswordman]

Starbuxaddict wrote...

Don't be naive about it- Despite how amazing a game such as this or the first Mass Effect was, it will *never* be able to compete with a goliath like Modern Warfare.

Now, as for the first Mass Effect, I introduced it to some friends with mixed results. The one complaint I got was that pausing to unleash powers was a drag. A real buzz-kill. Most stopped after Eden Prime due to the combat in general. Now that Mass Effect 2 has implemented fluid combat though, some are willing to go back to the franchise, if only for the second one.

Now I've seen it work the other way too, I have a friend who picked up Mass Effect before the new one came out, and fell in love with it. I also have a few friends who were convinced by me and reviews to go get the new one, and some have decided to get the first and try their hand at getting into the universe and making their own decisions. It's cool to see this happen, to say the least.

However, when you break it down, all the major sellers are multiplayer shooters. Gaming has truly expanded to the point where anyone can get into it, though most will not do more then wade in the water and play around with some shooters. Even some of the more popular RPG's, like Fable, are now co-op and more diluted.

In some regards Mass Effect 2 had more diluted RPG elements then the first one, when it came to levelling up and inventory. This, and the implantation of the new combat system are in large part factors that have lead to an increased interest in Mass Effect by new users. Another point that someone else brought up is that there still are stereotypes and biased opinions by many people regarding sci-fi and RPG's which impede on the success, commercially, of Mass Effect. Either way though Bioware has done an excellent job selling this game to new comers, and their efforts are clearly paying off.

Well, dragon age didn't dilute, so didn't World of Warcraft. Diablo III isn't looking to dilute either but I think that game is going to sell like sex. The thing is ME franchise got stuck on the overlapped part of shooter fans and RPG fans, instead of getting them both. This overlapped part isn't that big.

[easternswordman]

Hulk Hsieh wrote...

Fallout 3 doesn't need multiplayer to make it sell better than 5M.

I just looked it up on VGChartz, and Fallout 3 sold just below 3m on 360. Maybe after 5 DLC's, ME2 can catch up to that number on 360, too.