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easternswordman wrote...

Starbuxaddict wrote...

Don't be naive about it- Despite how amazing a game such as this or the first Mass Effect was, it will *never* be able to compete with a goliath like Modern Warfare.

Now, as for the first Mass Effect, I introduced it to some friends with mixed results. The one complaint I got was that pausing to unleash powers was a drag. A real buzz-kill. Most stopped after Eden Prime due to the combat in general. Now that Mass Effect 2 has implemented fluid combat though, some are willing to go back to the franchise, if only for the second one.

Now I've seen it work the other way too, I have a friend who picked up Mass Effect before the new one came out, and fell in love with it. I also have a few friends who were convinced by me and reviews to go get the new one, and some have decided to get the first and try their hand at getting into the universe and making their own decisions. It's cool to see this happen, to say the least.

However, when you break it down, all the major sellers are multiplayer shooters. Gaming has truly expanded to the point where anyone can get into it, though most will not do more then wade in the water and play around with some shooters. Even some of the more popular RPG's, like Fable, are now co-op and more diluted.

In some regards Mass Effect 2 had more diluted RPG elements then the first one, when it came to levelling up and inventory. This, and the implantation of the new combat system are in large part factors that have lead to an increased interest in Mass Effect by new users. Another point that someone else brought up is that there still are stereotypes and biased opinions by many people regarding sci-fi and RPG's which impede on the success, commercially, of Mass Effect. Either way though Bioware has done an excellent job selling this game to new comers, and their efforts are clearly paying off.

Well, dragon age didn't dilute, so didn't World of Warcraft. Diablo III isn't looking to dilute either but I think that game is going to sell like sex. The thing is ME franchise got stuck on the overlapped part of shooter fans and RPG fans, instead of getting them both. This overlapped part isn't that big.

point well taken on the not getting both groups part. did me2 feel more like a shooter? of course but it still has the same amont of rpg in it i think in me3 and im just guessing this but maybe me3 will be mainly rpg. with limited shootings. if you look at me2's weapons system of over heating what else do you use? you use your powers wether it be pull push or even cryo bomb. will me3 mainly focus on just powers is what im looking at

[RobbertDewulf]

Is this topic even serious? ME2 did sell quite well.



Talking about it as a market failure is... just wrong.

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RobbertDewulf wrote...

Is this topic even serious? ME2 did sell quite well.

Talking about it as a market failure is... just wrong.

and plus most review sites are bias anyways. sales can indeed be edited

[flem1]

Marta Rio wrote...

flem1 wrote...

VGChartz is not a legitimate news source. Their numbers are baloney.

Could you direct us to a better source so that we have some hope of discussing non-baloney sales figures?

Unfortunately, there aren't any open to the public.  We just have to keep an eye on corporate announcements on sales numbers, units shipped, etc.

Bio already warned that VGCharz numbers on ME1 were bull.

[flem1]

I suspect ME2 is already the best-selling Bio game ever.

[Kalfear]

JLBoyyy wrote...

its because what you pointed out (propa for info) and the fact that most people probably do not enjoy rpgs and only single-player gameplay (at least most of the time). well anyway, thats what i think

also, good luck to your friend because ME2 is more combat

I didnt read the whole opening post but saw yours.

DA:O is selling better then ME2 and doing great in sales.

ME2 is not selling as expected because the majority word of mouth is not good for game.
Game got a huge pre order from the ME1 fan and people sold on ME2 by the ME1 fans and then it dried up cause people actually played the game and it pales in comparrision to the first one.
Yes combat is better but combat is low priority in a RPG.
Listen, ME1,2,3,...191 is never going to be a true shooter because its to wordy and shooter fans want to enter and shoot, not watch and read for 5 minutes here and there for half or even 1/10th of the game, they want to shoot!

RPG fans want depth, emotional connection, MEANINGFUL STORY, interactiveness. ME2 fails on almost ever level of those demands.

Im not saying ME2 a bad game, its not, its a BAD Mass Effect GAME because ME1 set the bar so high.
That why personally I think Christina Norman and here little poower point presentation is insulting and void of understanding the REAL PROBLEM! Completely went over her head and in her own arrogence she things it her combat changes that brought the majority of people that did buy the game. Hey missy, most people bought the game cause they loved ME1, you had nothing to do with the equation.

Game sales are disappointing cause those folks that waited for the unbias player and website reveiws from those that actually didnt get free copies and paid for game was not all that great! For every "yeaaaaaa the game is perfect" post there is 100 disappointed posts. Fanbois can down play that all they want, people noticed that.
I know at my local game story and comic store I get attacked with questions on ME and Bioware/RPG games and I heard ALOT of, "well I got told this aspect was lacking in game" type questions and most of them were dead on and ended up those people (easily 50 in my circle of aquintences) ended up not buying ME2 cause of reveiws.
I 50 I know didnt buy, imagine how many that works out to if its even 10 for each of those 50?
Word of mouth matters and no amount of spin marketting or power point presentations will erase that!

Oh and ask yourself this, if me, a life long fan of Bioware games, this negative about ME2 shortcomings, imagine how bad the reveiws are from people that not Bioware fans to begin with!

Thats why the sales not as good as expected (still great, just not amazing)

[easternswordman]

RobbertDewulf wrote...

Is this topic even serious? ME2 did sell quite well.

Talking about it as a market failure is... just wrong.

Don't get me wrong,  and I don't mean it is a market failure. I'm just questioning under such a universal critical acclaim, why can't the game compete against heavy weights like Halo and Gears of War, commercially?

There's no doult the game is a commercial success by itself, and BioWare's making a lot of money out of it.

Modifié par easternswordman, 17 mars 2010 - 07:13 .

[Hellhawx]

I would assume that it has a lot to do with the fact it is not a mainstream style game. It has mature themes and discussions, it has 3rd person shooter elements, and rpg elements. My friend won't be getting the game because he doesn't like the RPG part. He is action orientated. ME1 didn't have much of a marketing campaigne while ME2's marketing campaign was huge.



Mass Effect just lies in an area where no matter how great it is, it will not be seeing nearly as much sales as it deserves. Popular names like Batman have more mainstream pull while games with multiplayer see a lot more buyers.



I still believe that Mass Effect has the scale of Star Wars depth and if there had been some epic movie trilogy, it would be more mainstream like Star Wars.



I expect to see Mass Effect 2 receive Game of the Year. It currently sits as the highest rated game this year, 4th highest rated Xbox 360 game ever and fairly high rated on the PC overall.

[Burdokva]

Kiddies and early teens. Plus aggressive marketing.



When Mass Effect 2 was advertised, as much as the new "improved visceral combat" was hyped, there was still a huge focus on story and characters. It was repeated time and again that this would be a deeper experience for people who have played Mass Effect and import their character. You can't bother kids and teens with story, emotion, deep thought during gaming. They want action, bloody damn action, competition, now! nawz!...



Also, blame it on game reviewers. Mass Effect was almost raped for its flaws, despite the high scores and the overall praise and you still get comments like "bland action, too much exploration, blah-blah-blah" during game reviewer videos or specials. Not to mention the PC version, while far from perfect, fixed a lot of issues and this goes by unnoticed. Yeah, I know most reviewer sites have gone X360 biased to the point of unbelievability, but seriously could you at least note them?...



And then you have the incredible pile of slid waste excretions that is Modern Warfare 2 with its ridiculously high review scores, general praise and the focus on "solid action, now". Don't get me started on how much I despise that game and its business model for DLC/multiplayer. And I used to be a Call of Duty fan back in the good days of the series...

[Fiery Phoenix]

You've all got it right.

To put it simply, the majority of people don't like games that actually require thought and decision like Mass Effect and many other RPG's/Action RPG's. They just want to blow things up in a run-and-gun scenario from beginning to end to enjoy a game -- without paying any attention to the story or anything. This alone is the ultimate reason a lot of people seem to prefer multiplayer games over single player games in general. I mean, why do you think Modern Warfare, Gears of War and Halo are and have been at the top for years now? I'm sure BioWare could easily overcome this issue by making some considerable changes to ME, but obviously.

I've thought about it personally, and I couldn't find another plausible explanation. People simply refuse to use their brains.

Modifié par FieryPhoenix7, 17 mars 2010 - 09:15 .

[yoomazir]

with the exeption of the people who cares about the ME universe, ME2 is already been forgotten by the gamers, it didn't leave a mark like ME did.

Check for example Darkdsydephil (DSP) videos on youtube, the guy played FOUR TIMES ME, he absolutely loved the game, for ME2? he played once and never touched it afterward.

ME was goty material, ME2? dude, Bioshock 2 would have better chances, and you know what? both sequels suck.

[easternswordman]

scyphozoa wrote...

wow 4th highest rated xbox game ever? that is freaking awesome.

3rd, as I stated in the opening post.

And no matter how much of a failure some people are stressing, you can't deny the fact of this, and the fact that ME2 is selling better than ME1.

[TSMUK]

Aye to be honest not sure what the hell the op is on about, looks like he thought let's post a load of gas and air for no reason what so ever.

[SithLordExarKun]

yoomazir wrote...

with the exeption of the people who cares about the ME universe, ME2 is already been forgotten by the gamers, it didn't leave a mark like ME did.

Correction, been forgotten by the vocal minority.

[incinerator950]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

yoomazir wrote...

with the exeption of the people who cares about the ME universe, ME2 is already been forgotten by the gamers, it didn't leave a mark like ME did.

Correction, been forgotten by the vocal minority.

Annoying, vocal minority.

[marshalleck]

Marta Rio wrote...

flem1 wrote...

VGChartz is not a legitimate news source. Their numbers are baloney.

Could you direct us to a better source so that we have some hope of discussing non-baloney sales figures?

Try looking for NPD sales reports. They collect point-of-sale data from a number of retail sources. The thing is, market research is an imperfect science. People will find flaws in any methodology.

Information is a commodity, and the more accurate and in-depth it is the less likely it's going to be made available for free.

Modifié par marshalleck, 17 mars 2010 - 03:37 .

[easternswordman]

Hellhawx wrote...

I would assume that it has a lot to do with the fact it is not a mainstream style game. It has mature themes and discussions, it has 3rd person shooter elements, and rpg elements. My friend won't be getting the game because he doesn't like the RPG part. He is action orientated. ME1 didn't have much of a marketing campaigne while ME2's marketing campaign was huge.

Mass Effect just lies in an area where no matter how great it is, it will not be seeing nearly as much sales as it deserves. Popular names like Batman have more mainstream pull while games with multiplayer see a lot more buyers.

I still believe that Mass Effect has the scale of Star Wars depth and if there had been some epic movie trilogy, it would be more mainstream like Star Wars.

I expect to see Mass Effect 2 receive Game of the Year. It currently sits as the highest rated game this year, 4th highest rated Xbox 360 game ever and fairly high rated on the PC overall.

I see where you're coming from. You need to fit in mainstream well to sell well. But every iconic item can also bring changes to the mainstream to fit themselves. Halo made people buy Xbox, a thing that never existed before; Diablo II almost built a clone army of itself; Star Wars created a generation of si-fi lovers.

Just imagine how big the fanbase Star Wars has? 300 million on earth and 7 in space maybe? If BioWare can convert say 5% of them to adapt to ME's gameplay style, it would sell way better than now. I know, becoming iconic is extremely hard, but it's reasonable to put hope on the 3rd highest rated Xbox game.

[PSRdirector]

because its not a shooter, or have the same level of mass appeal.

[rabbitchannel]

What I find the most surprising is how many Wii games have been sold!



Wii Sports 60,592,428

Wii Fit Plus 10,525,885

Wii Sports Resort 14,129,354

Mario Kart Wii 21,461,661

Wii Play 27,009,104



More than 130M total. WTH!? I wasn't even aware that Wii Fit was so popular! And Wii sports? I tried the first one and the boxing game couldn't even keep up with my hand speed! It was three times slower with a 2 second delay!

[marshalleck]

rab****annel wrote...

What I find the most surprising is how many Wii games have been sold!

Wii Sports 60,592,428
Wii Fit Plus 10,525,885
Wii Sports Resort 14,129,354
Mario Kart Wii 21,461,661
Wii Play 27,009,104

More than 130M total. WTH!? I wasn't even aware that Wii Fit was so popular! And Wii sports? I tried the first one and the boxing game couldn't even keep up with my hand speed! It was three times slower with a 2 second delay!

Casual market.

[sanadawarrior]

Also not being released last fall has hurt it a bit, since so many games ran from MW2 that now if you decide to wait a week or two to pick something up chances are that there is something else that you want to play that just came out that week instead.